River
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Post by River on Aug 30, 2016 17:31:17 GMT
UPDATE: Thanks for everyones advice!
I have made an appointment for September 28th to have her fixed. She goes in the morning for some lab work to verify its a false pregnancy or pseudopregnancy and make sure there isn't anything else going on. If that's all it is, we'll need to wait about a month for her symptoms and hormones to become level again before having her fixed. Which is why the late date in September.
Thank you specifically schizo319 for helping me with finding out what she was doing and what it's called. Your awesome!
Original OP:
Since we’ve breed Basset Hounds, female dogs in heat is no surprise with us. However, this dog is nesting and that is something very new to us. She is taking all stuffed animals and keeping them on my sons bed. Being VERY fussy with them, her blankets and food. She will not let anyone near that bed. This morning she done something again completely unlike her. We let her out to go potty and she nosed away the door going to our crawlspace uh under the house and holed up under there. She would not come out for anything. She didn’t even have one of her babies (stuffed animals) with her. We got a few and put them at the door thinking she would come to get them, but no luck. She was so far under there we couldn’t even see her. We had to leave her there as we were already late for work. She has also become very whiney and seems agitated, very unlike her. The mood change has been about a week so far.
My son came home for lunch and she was sitting in her spot on the porch with her “babies” and as soon as he opened the door she took them all one by one back to bed. He put her on her leash to see if she’d go potty before being put back inside for the afternoon and she went right back to the crawlspace door wanting very badly to go back in there.
There is no possibility of pregnancy and she has not shown any signs of actual full blown heat. She usually bleeds pretty good during her heat and our fixed male dachshund always lets us know before then hehe. Has anyone dealt with anything like this with a female dog? I’m wondering if a trip to the vet is needed? She’s never been under the house before and I’m surprised she knew where the door was. There’s nothing of interest under there according to the dachshund, who is a barker of everything. He went in and sniffed around without even a whimper. If something was under there he would certainly tell us.
On a side note, DH is worried that if we fix her now, her personality will change. I don’t think it will as our Basset Hounds didn’t and we fixed the female after one litter. But she wasn’t particularly the smartest of dogs.
If anyone is interested, here’s the story of our sweet girl Aurburn:
2 summers ago, we were shopping at an outdoor flea market. Coincidentally, we had been talking about getting another dog on the way there. A bigger dog more to my DH’s liking as he really doesn’t like our dashound that we got from the pound a year earlier. We are not at the flea market 10 minutes when the boys come running up to us with this beautiful fluffy dog with his teenaged owner. He was begging someone to please take her and give her a good home. They were moving and he could not take her with him. It was so very sad. The boy very obviously had some mental and developmental delays. It felt like fate that we were to take her home. The boy has texted me several times asking about her and I’ve sent many pictures to show him what a great life she was having. His mother even brought him to meet us at a park a year later so he could see her. He’d gotten her from their neighbor when the litter was born, so we know her age is 3 now. The boy had been unable to give her anything but the minimum of care with tons of love.
We had taken her a few days later to the vet to have her spayed and to get her up to date with all shots. The vet commented that she was such a beautiful and extremely intelligent dog that we may want to consider breeding. We’ve breed Basset Hounds before and the vet knows us well from that. Although she is a mutt she has such wonderful markings and incredible intelligence, she and likely offspring would make an incredible service type dog. So we decided to wait on spaying her and see if the vet came across what she should be breed with. She trains so easily it’s fascinating and she can tell us when my mother’s sugar is high (diabetic). She whines and does circles around my mother until she sees her test. She’s been right every time and each time my mother’s sugar was in the 300-400 danger zone.
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Post by Zee on Aug 30, 2016 17:38:30 GMT
I want to know where in the hell you live that a vet would give the shittiest most stupid and irresponsible advice I've ever read on this board. In fact I almost think you're just fucking with us, but since I have the sinking feeling you're not, here's my advice:
GET YOUR DOG SPAYED. DON'T BREED A DOG JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS A NICE PERSONALITY. DON'T BREED MUTTS HOPING TO TURN THEM INTO SERVICE DOGS--THE SHELTERS ARE FULL OF NICE DOGS.
FIND A NEW VET.
DON'T BREED ANY MORE DOGS.
IT'S SPELLED "DACHSHUND".
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River
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Post by River on Aug 30, 2016 17:48:56 GMT
Thank you for your opinion! I knew that was coming and all opinions are welcome. Oh and thanks for the correct spelling. I'll go update that.
No this isn't a joke, I really need opinions on her nesting. And it's her intelligence the vet advised us on. Either way, she's in no danger of being bread or getting pregnant accidentally.
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Post by blue tulip on Aug 30, 2016 17:56:03 GMT
we had a dog that nested like that, going as far as having a false pregnancy with milk and all. she looked so sad trying to get her toys to nurse her. but we were poor so we just had to wait it out. I wonder if your vet can give her a hormone shot or something to bring her out of it?
as to everything else, it sounds like you have a wonderful dog! please know that aside from physical characteristics, temperament and intelligence are not really inheritable traits. they might all be geniuses, or dumb asshole dogs. please, please get her fixed. and I am amazed.. AMAZED that your vet would say that to you with the state of backyard bred dogs and overstuffed shelters today. it genuinely makes me sad and a bit pissed off.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 30, 2016 18:08:09 GMT
Look up phantom pregnancy in dogs. It sounds like that might be what you're experiencing. Typically, treatment isn't necessary, but it's believed to be a hormonal imbalance, so sometimes the vet will do an ovariohysterectomy to prevent the phantom pregnancy from happening again.
I agree that you should have your dog fixed. Since she is a mixed breed that was given to you, you have no way of knowing what kinds of genetic traits/abnormalities that could be passed on to her offspring. Given your experience as a breeder, I'm surprised you'd even think about breeding her. Please consider the fact that shelters in your state are so overrun with unwanted mixed breeds that they're sending them on transports up north and most STILL have euthanasia rates higher than 50% - please don't perpetuate that problem.
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River
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Post by River on Aug 30, 2016 19:12:52 GMT
Phantom pregnancy fits the bill. Thank you so much!
I volunteered time and money at our animal shelter for years, so I do have first hand knowledge. It has been a few years though and in fact that's how we came to have our dachshund. We would never be willy nilly backyard breeding just for fun.
I'm certain after seeing this phantom pregnancy deal that it's way past time to spay her. Thank you all for the help of finding out what she was doing!
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Post by gailoh on Aug 30, 2016 20:24:24 GMT
Sounds like a very sweet pup, please go have her spade...hugs
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Post by gailoh on Aug 30, 2016 20:25:36 GMT
Oh ...I have a sister who lives in Elmore AL....pretty warm and humid down there...
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 30, 2016 21:27:25 GMT
Since we’ve breed Basset Hounds, female dogs in heat is no surprise with us. However, this dog is nesting and that is something very new to us. She is taking all stuffed animals and keeping them on my sons bed. Being VERY fussy with them, her blankets and food. She will not let anyone near that bed. This morning she done something again completely unlike her. We let her out to go potty and she nosed away the door going to our crawlspace uh under the house and holed up under there. She would not come out for anything. She didn’t even have one of her babies (stuffed animals) with her. We got a few and put them at the door thinking she would come to get them, but no luck. She was so far under there we couldn’t even see her. We had to leave her there as we were already late for work. She has also become very whiney and seems agitated, very unlike her. The mood change has been about a week so far. My son came home for lunch and she was sitting in her spot on the porch with her “babies” and as soon as he opened the door she took them all one by one back to bed. He put her on her leash to see if she’d go potty before being put back inside for the afternoon and she went right back to the crawlspace door wanting very badly to go back in there. There is no possibility of pregnancy and she has not shown any signs of actual full blown heat. She usually bleeds pretty good during her heat and our fixed male dachshund always lets us know before then hehe. Has anyone dealt with anything like this with a female dog? I’m wondering if a trip to the vet is needed? She’s never been under the house before and I’m surprised she knew where the door was. There’s nothing of interest under there according to the dachshund, who is a barker of everything. He went in and sniffed around without even a whimper. If something was under there he would certainly tell us. On a side note, DH is worried that if we fix her now, her personality will change. I don’t think it will as our Basset Hounds didn’t and we fixed the female after one litter. But she wasn’t particularly the smartest of dogs. If anyone is interested, here’s the story of our sweet girl Aurburn: 2 summers ago, we were shopping at an outdoor flea market. Coincidentally, we had been talking about getting another dog on the way there. A bigger dog more to my DH’s liking as he really doesn’t like our dashound that we got from the pound a year earlier. We are not at the flea market 10 minutes when the boys come running up to us with this beautiful fluffy dog with his teenaged owner. He was begging someone to please take her and give her a good home. They were moving and he could not take her with him. It was so very sad. The boy very obviously had some mental and developmental delays. It felt like fate that we were to take her home. The boy has texted me several times asking about her and I’ve sent many pictures to show him what a great life she was having. His mother even brought him to meet us at a park a year later so he could see her. He’d gotten her from their neighbor when the litter was born, so we know her age is 3 now. The boy had been unable to give her anything but the minimum of care with tons of love. We had taken her a few days later to the vet to have her spayed and to get her up to date with all shots. The vet commented that she was such a beautiful and extremely intelligent dog that we may want to consider breeding. We’ve breed Basset Hounds before and the vet knows us well from that. Although she is a mutt she has such wonderful markings and incredible intelligence, she and likely offspring would make an incredible service type dog. So we decided to wait on spaying her and see if the vet came across what she should be breed with. She trains so easily it’s fascinating and she can tell us when my mother’s sugar is high (diabetic). She whines and does circles around my mother until she sees her test. She’s been right every time and each time my mother’s sugar was in the 300-400 danger zone. View Attachment you're an idiot. Get all of your dogs fixed.
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Post by kelly8875 on Aug 30, 2016 21:51:28 GMT
Seriously? Get her fixed and a new vet. Any vet in his right mind would NOT suggest what you say yours did.
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2016 22:21:26 GMT
I literally can't believe that a real-live certified vet told you to breed a mutt because she was so pretty and smart. I simply don't believe it.
Either that is what you wanted to hear, given that your husband apparently is looking for an excuse not to spay her.
Or, the person who told you that isn't a real vet.
Regardless, get her spayed by a real vet. Please. She sounds unhappy and anxious right now, so keeping her unspayed isn't helping her personality, nor is it making her a happy camper.
You will make absolutely no money by breeding a mutt. No matter how pretty and smart you think the puppies are, you are going to have to give them away for free and who knows what unhappy end many will meet.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 30, 2016 22:29:25 GMT
Totally agree with everyone who's saying get her spayed. There are way too many unwanted dogs put there as it is.
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Post by scrapngranny on Aug 30, 2016 22:36:25 GMT
The world does not need one more pretty dog with a nice personality. Be a responsible pet owner and get your dog spayed. I would never set foot in that vet's office again, if this is a sample of his advice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 22:44:47 GMT
Please be a responsible pet owner and get your dog spayed.
And for the love of all that's holy, find a real vet with some ethics.
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Post by River on Aug 30, 2016 23:05:05 GMT
Thanks for everyones advice! I have made an appointment for September 28th to have her fixed. She goes in the morning for some lab work to verify its a false pregnancy or pseudopregnancy and make sure there isn't anything else going on. If that's all it is, we'll need to wait about a month for her symptoms and hormones to become level again before having her fixed. Which is why the late date in September. Thank you specifically schizo319 for helping me with finding out what she was doing and what it's called. Your awesome!
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Post by Zee on Aug 30, 2016 23:15:22 GMT
Thank you for your opinion! I knew that was coming and all opinions are welcome. Oh and thanks for the correct spelling. I'll go update that. No this isn't a joke, I really need opinions on her nesting. And it's her intelligence the vet advised us on. Either way, she's in no danger of being bread or getting pregnant accidentally. Bred, not bread. Thank you for getting her spayed. The world is full of intelligent dogs without making more who will need homes. That you didn't know about nesting behaviors already tells me you're not a knowledgeable dog breeder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 23:42:45 GMT
You can not be sure that her traits can be passed on, which you should know from already breeding dogs. You may get one or two pups like her, but you will have 4 others to rehome.
Spaying will improve her personality.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 31, 2016 11:56:47 GMT
Oh I believe it - there are some very old-school (read backward) vets in Alabama, especially in rural areas. I don't doubt for a second she got the advice on breeding that she says she got. I'm in Alabama too, and for years the Alabama State Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners has been fighting to close low-cost spay and neuter clinics (WTF?). Many older vets in rural areas still see dogs as livestock and treat them as such with little to no consideration for the animal overpopulation problem. It's ass-backward and infuriating - like much of what goes on in this state.
*sidenote* Remember this is the state that refused to fund Planned Parenthood - to the tune of $5,000 every 2 years (because 'selling baby parts') - and ended up having to pay over 100K in legal fees fighting the Federal Government. When AL lost, our Governor went on TV and said it was a "win" for the state because now we know PP doesn't perform abortions in AL (they only provide contraception). When asked if anyone had called PP to ask what services were offered in the state BEFORE deciding to defund them, he simply said "no"...
Thanks for making the appointment for your beautiful girl @river - hope she starts feeling better soon.
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Post by farmdpea on Aug 31, 2016 13:15:07 GMT
Oh I believe it - there are some very old-school (read backward) vets in Alabama, especially in rural areas. I don't doubt for a second she got the advice on breeding that she says she got. I'm in Alabama too, and for years the Alabama State Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners has been fighting to close low-cost spay and neuter clinics (WTF?). Many older vets in rural areas still see dogs as livestock and treat them as such with little to no consideration for the animal overpopulation problem. It's ass-backward and infuriating - like much of what goes on in this state.
I live about as ruraly (is that a word?) as you can get in Alabama. Seriously....there are people within 30 miles of me who have no running water and electricity in their homes. The "vet's" advice still shocks me. I have never in my life heard of anybody in the state of Alabama with an IQ higher than a potato suggest that anyone breed any dog ever. We have such a tremendous problem with overbreeding. I feel like my head is about to explode. I wish I hadn't read this thread before my first cup of coffee (joking...kinda!).
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Post by River on Aug 31, 2016 13:40:02 GMT
All I can say is my vets advice was true. Right or wrong its what he said and my DH is fascinated enough with Auburn that he took it to heart. We had no real intention of breeding, but he wanted to keep the option open.
I knew I would get all kinds of hand slaps over it here, but chose not to lie instead and put the whole truth out there. I needed to find out what was wrong and thankfully a nice pea helped me. Armed with the information needed, I was able to take steps to help her.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 31, 2016 15:09:46 GMT
I live about as ruraly (is that a word?) as you can get in Alabama. Seriously....there are people within 30 miles of me who have no running water and electricity in their homes. The "vet's" advice still shocks me. I have never in my life heard of anybody in the state of Alabama with an IQ higher than a potato suggest that anyone breed any dog ever. We have such a tremendous problem with overbreeding. I feel like my head is about to explode. I wish I hadn't read this thread before my first cup of coffee (joking...kinda!). There used to be a fairly common school of thought that it was healthier for a dog to let her have one litter of puppies before spaying. I've actually heard a vet say this (though it was several years ago, and he has since retired, so I don't believe that this is still a commonly held belief, but I was  )
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Post by DEX on Aug 31, 2016 15:43:02 GMT
All I can say is my vets advice was true. Right or wrong its what he said and my DH is fascinated enough with Auburn that he took it to heart. We had no real intention of breeding, but he wanted to keep the option open. I knew I would get all kinds of hand slaps over it here, but chose not to lie instead and put the whole truth out there. I needed to find out what was wrong and thankfully a nice pea helped me. Armed with the information needed, I was able to take steps to help her. You are a good soul. Your posts here have been respectful and honest. Good for you for not getting sullen and defensive.
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Post by River on Aug 31, 2016 15:53:29 GMT
I live about as ruraly (is that a word?) as you can get in Alabama. Seriously....there are people within 30 miles of me who have no running water and electricity in their homes. The "vet's" advice still shocks me. I have never in my life heard of anybody in the state of Alabama with an IQ higher than a potato suggest that anyone breed any dog ever. We have such a tremendous problem with overbreeding. I feel like my head is about to explode. I wish I hadn't read this thread before my first cup of coffee (joking...kinda!). There used to be a fairly common school of thought that it was healthier for a dog to let her have one litter of puppies before spaying. I've actually heard a vet say this (though it was several years ago, and he has since retired, so I don't believe that this is still a commonly held belief, but I was  ) Yes, it is still believed in some older vets in my area. Thank you for sharing your experience with our backwoods way still prevalent in some areas. It's also believed that the personality of the dog should form before being fixed at 6 months to a year old. However they do warn heavily to keep the dogs safe from unwanted pregnancy, so at least they are not advocating breeding. What is remarkable is that my time volunteering at our small local animal shelter was not what I hear people on here talk about. We were seldom over run with dogs. What came through were quickly adopted. Once adopted they had to go to the vet to be fixed and you picked up your dog from the vet the next day. No exceptions! What we were over run with was cats and kittens. Here though, there are lots of farms and most people own quite a bit of acreage. Dogs run freely most of the time, but you don't see very many unkept or wandering dogs. While we may be backwoods, people here care deeply for their pets. Train them, use them in their work on the farm and treat them like family.
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