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Post by peabay on Sept 5, 2016 17:09:46 GMT
I live in CT - in a very homogeneously white community. At Dunkin Donuts this morning, a man (who was not Hispanic) was trying to talk to one of the workers in Spanish and she continually responded to him in English. He would say things like "mas, por favor" and she would say: "Yes, I can give you more", for example.
Dh and I talked about it the whole way home - is it nice and just friendly to try to talk to a worker in what one assumes is her native language (we live near a larger city that has a huge Brazilian population - like top 15 in America for people born in Brazil, so Spanish may not even have been her first language.) Or is it condescending to assume that 1. she speaks it; 2. she wants to speak it; 3. she wasn't born here; 4. she was answering in English - isn't that an indication she'd rather speak English? Was he just completely tone deaf to the situation?
It was strange and I honestly don't know how I feel about it. I sensed discomfort from her, with her responses in English; my dh did not. Maybe she appreciated the effort he made.
If English isn't your first language, do you like people to try to speak to you in your native tongue?
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 5, 2016 17:13:10 GMT
Did she have any kind of accent? I know people of Mexican heritage who do not speak the language. I think he was being condescending when the worker continued to answer in English, clearly not wanting to converse in another language.
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Post by peajays on Sept 5, 2016 17:14:26 GMT
If she was Brazilian, he needed to be speaking Portuguese, no? Maybe that's why she kept speaking English  . I think it was his attempt at trying to be nice
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Post by peabay on Sept 5, 2016 17:16:17 GMT
Did she have any kind of accent? I know people of Mexican heritage who do not speak the language. I think he was being condescending when the worker continued to answer in English, clearly not wanting to converse in another language. I'm at this DD more than I should be and yes, she has a slight accent, but I have never known her to have difficulty with English. But then again, she knows my coffee order and has it ready for me when she sees me. 🙄
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Post by scraphollie27 on Sept 5, 2016 17:16:23 GMT
Totally condescending, paternalistic and, frankly, a douchey thing to do. If he's a random customer, he has no idea what her ethnicity is or what languages she speaks. He was obviously stereotyping.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 5, 2016 17:18:56 GMT
Did she have any kind of accent? I know people of Mexican heritage who do not speak the language. I think he was being condescending when the worker continued to answer in English, clearly not wanting to converse in another language. I'm at this DD more than I should be and yes, she has a slight accent, but I have never known her to have difficulty with English. But then again, she knows my coffee order and has it ready for me when she sees me. 🙄 It does seem like he meant well, but was clueless. I have quite a few family members who speak Spanish (they are white) and I can see my BIL acting like this guy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 17:25:38 GMT
Did he at any point speak English, indicating that Spanish wasn't his first (or only) language?
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Post by katlady on Sept 5, 2016 17:25:45 GMT
It would bother me, but that is because I am a perpetual foreigner. I've had people compliment me on my good English and I've had people who were surprised that my mom spoke English (she was born and raised in the U.S.). So yes, I am a little sensitive about these kinds of things.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 5, 2016 17:27:33 GMT
Once she responded in english, he should have continuedone in english.
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Post by psiluvu on Sept 5, 2016 17:27:47 GMT
Totally condescending, paternalistic and, frankly, a douchey thing to do. If he's a random customer, he has no idea what her ethnicity is or what languages she speaks. He was obviously stereotyping.
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Post by peabay on Sept 5, 2016 17:28:09 GMT
Did he at any point speak English, indicating that Spanish wasn't his first (or only) language? I know who he is - Spanish is not his first or only language.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 17:28:46 GMT
Totally condescending, paternalistic and, frankly, a douchey thing to do. If he's a random customer, he has no idea what her ethnicity is or what languages she speaks. He was obviously stereotyping. This is what I've been taught - that doing something like that is très passé and ignorant. He's not doing it to put her at ease, or he'd stop when she didn't engage and kept replying in English. It's so presumptuous - right up there with congratulating a stranger on her pregnancy. Egads.  So embarrassing.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 5, 2016 17:32:59 GMT
I wouldn't condemn him for trying once, but when she continued to answer in English and he didn't let it go, he's being insensitive.
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Post by Nink on Sept 5, 2016 17:39:18 GMT
Maybe he's learning Spanish and sees this as an opportunity to try it out.
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Post by *leslie* on Sept 5, 2016 17:42:20 GMT
I think once she answered him in english, he should've continued in english. It was kind of rude to keep speaking in Spanish.
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Post by jengels999 on Sept 5, 2016 17:42:48 GMT
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Post by peabay on Sept 5, 2016 17:45:52 GMT
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 5, 2016 17:46:41 GMT
Maybe he's learning Spanish and sees this as an opportunity to try it out. then he should ask her permission. Although it would be a great way to practice
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Post by peabay on Sept 5, 2016 17:46:52 GMT
Maybe he's learning Spanish and sees this as an opportunity to try it out. That's one thing my dh said.
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Post by Loydene on Sept 5, 2016 17:50:12 GMT
Passive aggressive or condescending -- either way -- douche
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 17:55:12 GMT
I think he was being a jerk. The first time he spoke to her in Spanish and she responded in English should have ended the Spanish.
When we lived in Italy we had some Italians that were forever trying to talk to us in German. My family is blonde and could be mistaken for German ancestry in an area that gets lots of German tourists. I understood why they thought we should speak German, but we didn't!
I know about 5 words in German, none of which can be used to make a complete sentence. It was totally irritating when they spoke German, I'd reply in Italian and they would persist with the German. I'd speak back in English and they would still go with the German.
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Post by MorningPerson on Sept 5, 2016 17:55:53 GMT
It could be condescending/presumptuous/douchey, or it could be somebody trying to be nice but lacking the ability to read social cues. He should have stopped when his response was in English.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 5, 2016 17:59:52 GMT
Interesting. In a lot of parts of Florida, Spanish is very common. If I overheard your conversation, and without knowing the participants, I wouldn't have thought much about it as I hear conversations that are often time in both languages-one speaking Spanish, one answering in English or a little bit of both on each side or someone was practicing their Spanish. (And in my experience, if you are practicing, most of the time people are REALLY kind and helpful.)
But maybe if he was missing the hint and she didn't speak Spanish and he kept going on and on, then he was being pretty darn insensitive.
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Post by secondlife on Sept 5, 2016 18:00:20 GMT
I don't think there's one overarching answer to this question.
My school is about 40% ESOL and mostly Korean and Chinese. My library is more diverse as far as languages go but half of everybody speaks another language at home. I try to learn a few words in the languages our school families and my library patrons speak. So far I have learned a little Korean and a few words of Chinese. Usually if I ask people are happy to share how you say a word or two in their native languages. I use it to make relationships and show people I am interested in them and their culture. Usually it's the kids who really like telling me How to say beautiful or cat or friend or whatever - our ESOL students often feel stress about communicating at school and this is a good ice breaker.
But not everyone likes that - one Korean dad told me very firmly that he brings his kids to an American school to learn English and speaking Korean should not be part of what we do. Ok, I get that too. And many of our Korean heritage families are second or third generation Americans and speak all English and are culturally American as well, so you wouldn't walk up to a vaguely Korean looking person and be like, how do you say dog in your language? Because then you look like a jerk.
When the person responded in English in the OP's scenario, that was a sign that it was not appreciated.
Here it is a very safe assumption that people of many different appearances speak languages other than English. This does provide opportunities for racism but also opportunities for cross cultural understanding and appreciation of languages and cultures. You wouldnt lead with that - but when I have an existing relationship with a person I know speaks another language it is a way of sharing across a language barrier.
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 5, 2016 18:00:27 GMT
Maybe he's learning Spanish and sees this as an opportunity to try it out. That's one thing my dh said. I think it would be rude to "practice" your Spanish at a person's place of employment.
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Post by M~ on Sept 5, 2016 18:07:09 GMT
Maybe he's learning Spanish and sees this as an opportunity to try it out. then he should ask her permission. Although it would be a great way to practice It's rude. Let's assume the best-he sees this as an opportunity to practice Spanish. Well. A-she's not getting paid to teach Spanish and B-many employers have a problem with their employees speaking Spanish. I know a judge who does this regularly. She looks like a complete asshole each time. The employees at Au Bon Pain won't ever tell her because then they will get reprimanded. But I can see the looks they give her. And me. Like saying- do something about this!!
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 5, 2016 18:07:37 GMT
That's one thing my dh said. I think it would be rude to "practice" your Spanish at a person's place of employment. I'm not sure I agree though-a lot of times it is a great time to practice conversational Spanish. You know pretty quickly who is willing and who isn't, and if it is a good time or not. But, I will say that I am in an area that has a good many Spanish speakers among other languages and there are a lot of opportunities.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 5, 2016 18:08:53 GMT
Condescending.
Rude, douchey.
Mildly racist.
The problem is with the assumption.
When you see someone who looks different you and you make assumptions based on that, that's racism.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 5, 2016 18:10:56 GMT
then he should ask her permission. Although it would be a great way to practice It's rude. Let's assume the best-he sees this as an opportunity to practice Spanish. Well. A-she's not getting paid to teach Spanish and B-many employers have a problem with their employees speaking Spanish. I know a judge who does this regularly. She looks like a complete asshole each time. The employees at Au Bon Pain won't ever tell her because then they will get reprimanded. But I can see the looks they give her. And me. Like saying- do something about this!! How funny we have had such a different experience!! And I would have thought that it would have been the opposite-y'all have a much greater percentage of native speakers than we do here, but I have not run into a situation at all where people get in trouble for speaking Spanish.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 5, 2016 18:14:22 GMT
If you don't have some sort of relationship with a person (a service worker, a stranger on the street ... ) and you don't hear that person speaking another language, then I think it is presumptuous to assume you can tell what their language of choice is (other than English, that being the main language spoken in this country) and speak to them in that language. Not because you think you're doing them a favor or you want to practice your Spanish. It's douchey, and it's triply douchey to continue in Spanish when she responds to you in English. ETA I will make an exception for the workers at a Mexican (or other Spanish-speaking) restaurant. If you want to walk in and practice your Spanish on them, have at it. But I wouldn't blame them at all if they're kind of snotty when they tell you their family has been here for more generations than yours and they don't speak any Spanish. 
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