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Post by whopea on Sept 9, 2016 16:10:37 GMT
I would suggest that the way the question was asked may have threw him off. The tone of the question was kind of light-hearted, as if Aleppo was equivalent to Pokemon. Had the interviewer asked what he would do about Syria and he had the same response, that would give me extreme pause. I think there are plenty of other positions of Gary Johnson that are deal breakers for me. I would hate to be a politician in this day and age. Media has become more about "gotcha" than journalism IMO. I have to disagree. The presenter asked him quite clearly and in no way light hearted " what would you do if elected about Allepo". Considering that among other things over the last couple of weeks the Syrian Government with help from Russian war planes have been accused of dropping chlorine gas in Allepo and that there's also been an open letter from a number of medical Doctors in Allepo to President Obama, asking for help in securing a cease fire and to stop the bombs dropped by the Syrian Government on civilians (which included a hospital) so that humanitarian aid is delivered, I'm at a loss to try and understand that as a Presidential candidate he wouldn't know the name Allepo with so much happening there. This wasn't a " gotcha" moment it was a very serious question about a very serious situation. It beggars belief that he had no understanding of the name and even less knowledge of what is going on there which was very apparent with this quote. I think Darcy Collins has done a much better job expressing her thoughts than I. The question immediately preceding it was "But do you worry about the Nader effect in 2000?" Then came "What would you do, if you were elected, about Aleppo?". I can see where a candidate would have a brain fart or take a minute to switch gears from Ralph Nader to a humanitarian crisis in Syria. No foreign policy questions had been asked prior to the one on Aleppo. Should a serious presidential candidate known all about Aleppo? Yes, but when told it's in Syria, he responded. Years and years ago, Pres Obama said that he had campaigned in 57 US states and had one or two more to go.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 9, 2016 16:12:34 GMT
He tried to explain it as hearing it was an acronym for something, which I can somewhat picture. (You have your brain in one mode, and it doesn't quite click into the other mode for a minute.) But if that were really the case, then you'd expect him to have said something like "OH! *That* Aleppo! Brain fart!" (Or whatever the acceptable way of saying that would be, lol.) We've all misheard or misunderstood before, but his lack of reaction makes me inclined to think this was ignorance rather than a mistake. I wasn't going 3rd party anyway, although I have before. I don't like either of the main choices, but Texas has suddenly actually become a state in contention, and I feel I've got to vote for the lesser evil. Even when he was asked about it later and was kind of coached to cover for it (the reporter said, "this is going to be a big deal") he still didn't seem to know what Aleppo why it was significant. I am not voting for him but my concern is that other people are and who is he taking votes from?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 9, 2016 16:17:08 GMT
Said in my nicest voice ever. If Aleppo is such a big deal to the entire world (and I believe those that say that it is), then why has there only been like 7 threads the word "Aleppo" has been used on this forum since it's inception, 3 of them in the past few days? I don't read the papers, I don't watch the news. I pick up on things here and there online as I'm doing other things. The news stresses us out greatly so we decided (my husband and myself - and he's the most informed person I know) to stop watching it. You tell me? How can your media not cover this absolute tragedy of a war??? ^^^ that's not what she meant, though. I think she meant if the city of Aleppo is such a big deal then why hasn't it been the subject of more threads HERE?? the only news I ever hear or see is when I listen to the news on NPR in my car on my drive home from work, or see something mentioned here. I haven't been listening as much because their election coverage annoys me-- there's way too much coverage about the election (what did Hillary do / say today, what did Donald do / say today), so I haven't been listening to All Things Considered lately, although I used to every day. I DO listen to the Marketplace Money Report show and the British world news show that comes on right after that. (again, that's only if I'm in my car at that time.) At home, we don't watch ANY news on television- local news is drivel, and most network news now seems to be shock-journalism for ratings, not actual 'news' coverage. eta: 'what would you do about Aleppo' makes it sound like the only problems are in that city; aren't there problems elsewhere in the country? It was kind of a poorly-worded question, in my opinion. And after reading about how this question came right after one totally unrelated, I think I'd give him a bit of a pass on not following the jump from topic to topic, too.
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Post by Nink on Sept 9, 2016 16:21:10 GMT
You know, I don't think I live a small, uninformed life. I work 12 hours a day. When I'm not at work, I go for a hike or take my dogs to the beach. Just because I'm not sitting in front of my tv watching the 24 hour news cycle, means I live a small uninformed life. I have family that do nothing but watch the news, read political emails on their computer and forward them on to their friends who do the same. They never go anywhere or do anything and they live their lives like chicken little wrapped in conspiracy theories. I'll pass.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 9, 2016 16:24:35 GMT
While agree that 'Aleppo' hasn't been in the title of a lot of threads, what is happening in Syria has been discussed at various times, and fairly regularly. I apologize to the pea that did this for not remembering her name-because what she did was worthy of me doing so-but there was even a pea here who spent a couple of weeks volunteering her time to help with the refugees and did a 'review' of her time in Greece. (@kokeshidoll maybe?)
We are talking about it, but probably not as much as we should be. The situation is so dang complicated, I think you almost have to be a subject expert to understand all the strange interconnectivity between the players in the region.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 9, 2016 17:09:39 GMT
I didn't know but I would have expected him to know.
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Post by gar on Sept 9, 2016 17:10:20 GMT
You tell me? How can your media not cover this absolute tragedy of a war??? You missed the part where I'm not actually watching the news to tell you if it's covered or not. I didn't miss it but I had forgotten it by the tine I'd read all the other posts before replying. But thank you for your condescension.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 9, 2016 17:23:06 GMT
It's not a value judgment, it's a defined statement. It's like the refupea whose husband was offended because he gets lumped into the "uneducated white male voter" category. The value judgment you put on those words is your own. If you make a conscious choice not to be informed about what is happening in the rest of the world, what other words would you use to describe that mindset? It's not expansive and informed, by definition.
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Post by freebird on Sept 9, 2016 17:34:48 GMT
You missed the part where I'm not actually watching the news to tell you if it's covered or not. I didn't miss it but I had forgotten it by the tine I'd read all the other posts before replying. But thank you for your condescension. I honestly did not intend it in a condescending way. That's the problem with the internet, we assume the worst in each other. I didn't mean to offend you.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 9, 2016 18:01:07 GMT
It's not a value judgment, it's a defined statement. It's like the refupea whose husband was offended because he gets lumped into the "uneducated white male voter" category. The value judgment you put on those words is your own. If you make a conscious choice not to be informed about what is happening in the rest of the world, what other words would you use to describe that mindset? It's not expansive and informed, by definition. ^^^ yeah, but that's YOUR definition of 'uninformed' not mine. In MY opinion I am plenty informed about a LOT of things going on in the world related to current events, politics, business, science, etc.-- just not necessarily super-detail informed about world political situations according to YOUR definition of uninformed. If picking and choosing to not immerse myself in world political issues ad nauseum for the good of my own mental health is how you define "uninformed" you can certainly have that opinion. I however do not call it that.
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Post by whopea on Sept 9, 2016 18:12:18 GMT
It's not a value judgment, it's a defined statement. It's like the refupea whose husband was offended because he gets lumped into the " uneducated white male voter" category. The value judgment you put on those words is your own. If you make a conscious choice not to be informed about what is happening in the rest of the world, what other words would you use to describe that mindset? It's not expansive and informed, by definition. I'm speechless.
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Post by annabella on Sept 9, 2016 18:17:24 GMT
While agree that 'Aleppo' hasn't been in the title of a lot of threads, what is happening in Syria has been discussed at various times, and fairly regularly. I apologize to the pea that did this for not remembering her name-because what she did was worthy of me doing so-but there was even a pea here who spent a couple of weeks volunteering her time to help with the refugees and did a 'review' of her time in Greece. (@kokeshidoll maybe?) We are talking about it, but probably not as much as we should be. The situation is so dang complicated, I think you almost have to be a subject expert to understand all the strange interconnectivity between the players in the region. Oh yes I remember her thread about going to help the refugees.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 9, 2016 18:19:27 GMT
Since the whole premise of this post is do you KNOW what Aleppo is and the related context of what is happening in Syria, I don't think I'm out of line using that definition of "uninformed" as it relates to the news and geopolitical events. Of course there are many other contexts in which someone can be informed or uninformed (i.e. I am very informed about scrapbooking paper lines but I an uninformed as to different types of yarn), however, in the context of THIS discussion, again, the definition is what it is. And to reiterate, it does not imply a value judgment. If you choose not to pay attention to the news or follow world events, what is the word you would use to describe that mindset?
About what? I'm not a legalist but words do have meanings. And it seems to me lately that people are taking offense at some pretty silly stuff. So yes, it seems to me ridiculous to be insulted that you fall into the "uneducated white male voter" category if, in point of fact, you are a white uneducated male voter as defined by the pollster. And it seems to me to be ridiculous to be bothered that after saying you choose not to be informed about the news and world events, you are considered uninformed about news and world events. Nobody said it was a bad thing in either case, it's just the actual meaning of the words so if you're offended by them, the value judgment is coming from somewhere other than the words themselves.
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Post by Nink on Sept 9, 2016 18:48:52 GMT
Because it's one thing to say someone is uninformed about a particular subject such as Aleppo, which I admitted I am.
It's another to say to "you live a small uninformed life".
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Post by gar on Sept 9, 2016 19:16:18 GMT
I didn't miss it but I had forgotten it by the tine I'd read all the other posts before replying. But thank you for your condescension. I honestly did not intend it in a condescending way. That's the problem with the internet, we assume the worst in each other. I didn't mean to offend you. Ok, I can see that 😊
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Post by whopea on Sept 9, 2016 19:19:18 GMT
Since the whole premise of this post is do you KNOW what Aleppo is and the related context of what is happening in Syria, I don't think I'm out of line using that definition of "uninformed" as it relates to the news and geopolitical events. Of course there are many other contexts in which someone can be informed or uninformed (i.e. I am very informed about scrapbooking paper lines but I an uninformed as to different types of yarn), however, in the context of THIS discussion, again, the definition is what it is. And to reiterate, it does not imply a value judgment. If you choose not to pay attention to the news or follow world events, what is the word you would use to describe that mindset? About what? I'm not a legalist but words do have meanings. And it seems to me lately that people are taking offense at some pretty silly stuff. So yes, it seems to me ridiculous to be insulted that you fall into the "uneducated white male voter" category if, in point of fact, you are a white uneducated male voter as defined by the pollster. And it seems to me to be ridiculous to be bothered that after saying you choose not to be informed about the news and world events, you are considered uninformed about news and world events. Nobody said it was a bad thing in either case, it's just the actual meaning of the words so if you're offended by them, the value judgment is coming from somewhere other than the words themselves. I've gone from speechless to a hearty laugh. I can't recall the last time I heard a progressive say that people are taking offense at some pretty silly stuff. That's why political correctness lives in our modern society, IMO. There are all kinds of words that we're told not to use because they have a value judgment associated with them even if the speaker had no such intent. If I'm not mistaken when pollsters use the term "uneducated" voter, they are referring to someone who does not have a college degree. It doesn't mean they choose to be uninformed of world events.
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Post by paget on Sept 9, 2016 19:26:36 GMT
I did not know before yesterday. But I also didn't know the word, jigaboo, either, which proves I am a hopelessly uninformed, ignorant person.
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Post by Leone on Sept 9, 2016 20:01:43 GMT
In all fairness...I watch lots of news and am very much into politics...and I couldnt have answered it. And neither could DH.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 9, 2016 20:01:57 GMT
Yeah, I didn't equate the two. I was giving two separate examples of people being offended by words by implying their own value judgments. But hey, thanks for the ad hominem attack on progressives, that's always nice.
In the context of the thread, I meant specifically as it relates to world events. I can see that I should have been clearer and more precise with my word choice and I apologize that I offended you.
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Post by carhoch on Sept 9, 2016 20:08:24 GMT
who else is wishing that this question had been asked to Donald Trump !
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 9, 2016 20:13:53 GMT
In all fairness...I watch lots of news and am very much into politics...and I couldnt have answered it. And neither could DH. Same for me. Syria, yes, the town of Aleppo asked the way it was, no.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Sept 9, 2016 20:16:29 GMT
Oh come on, it wasn't a trick question
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Post by *sprout* on Sept 9, 2016 20:17:05 GMT
I did not know before yesterday. But I also didn't know the word, jigaboo, either, which proves I am a hopelessly uninformed, ignorant person. Scoot over, because I need to sit on this bench, too.
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Post by Zee on Sept 9, 2016 21:01:31 GMT
I guess I'll have to go google now. My best Jeopardy guess is a small town in Italy.
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Post by Zee on Sept 9, 2016 21:05:47 GMT
For those of you who say you've never heard of Aleppo do you not watch the news or read a newspaper? I'm not being judgmental, I hope, but I'm curious how people today could be completely unaware of these things given all that's gone on. Did you not see this poor little boy's story on every news channel? Little boy after Aleppo bombing
Yeah, on second thought I'm sure I am coming off as judgmental. I apologize in advance for that, but I just don't understand how people can say they've never heard of something that's been on the news so much. And personally I think that knowing what's going on in the world is a responsibility we have as citizens of this global society. And I don't give any presidential candidate a pass on any of this. If you are running for president of the United States you need to hire people who can brief you on current events and the history of those current events. If you've gotten this far in the race and haven't done that then you are an idiot. Yeah, I'm annoyed at several things today. <---- eyeoll at myself SaveSaveI haven't watched the news for a week. I am either doing homework or working or cleaning or working out. I do come here daily and if no one started a thread about it that aroused my curiosity, then No, I don't know about it. I don't really make watching the news a priority and I certainly don't feel it's my responsibility as a person on this earth to know about every tragic story that hits the news. I don't need any more stress or bad news, thanks. I'm not running for president and I don't need to know everything going on every day. There are many days I don't turn on the TV or read a paper at all. Though I do appreciate that you realized maybe you're being a little judgy.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 9, 2016 21:14:02 GMT
Yes, and I am astonished that a Presidential candidate did not know. I would not expect those who are not news junkies to know.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 9, 2016 22:55:56 GMT
Yes, and I am astonished that a Presidential candidate did not know. I would not expect those who are not news junkies to know.^^^ thank you for that.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Sept 9, 2016 22:58:47 GMT
You know, I don't think I live a small, uninformed life. I work 12 hours a day. When I'm not at work, I go for a hike or take my dogs to the beach. Just because I'm not sitting in front of my tv watching the 24 hour news cycle, means I live a small uninformed life. I have family that do nothing but watch the news, read political emails on their computer and forward them on to their friends who do the same. They never go anywhere or do anything and they live their lives like chicken little wrapped in conspiracy theories. I'll pass. Likewise, being up on current events and situations that are of vital interest to the world and the US hardly means one doesn't live their lives.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Sept 9, 2016 22:59:58 GMT
I guess I'll have to go google now. My best Jeopardy guess is a small town in Italy. Actually, it's the second biggest city in Syria and is the major connection with all the Syrian refugees looking to come to the US and Europe.
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Post by Zee on Sept 9, 2016 23:23:06 GMT
I guess I'll have to go google now. My best Jeopardy guess is a small town in Italy. Actually, it's the second biggest city in Syria and is the major connection with all the Syrian refugees looking to come to the US and Europe. Thank you for breaking it down. I did look it up since reading this thread, but I just don't make world news a daily priority. I'm stressed enough as it is, going back to school is hard when you've been out of the game for 18 years and are taking accelerated online courses. I feel that I don't have enough time for negativity, I'd rather do my nails! Hell I can barely keep up with the Housewives nowadays! I've been wearing the same polish for a week. This is so not me, lol
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