Burke Ramsay on Dr. Phil

How do they know she was stunned in her bed? Doesn't a child sleep so deeply he could have just carried her out?

I think one of the difficulties now is that there is so MUCH conflicting information. About 2,000 different "experts" - some legitimate experts - some not so much, have opined on the case, and the vast majority did not have access to the original information. So you have forensic experts opining on the nature of Jon Benet's injuries based on photographs, not an actual examination of the body. Every piece of evidence seems that way. Like the 911 tape - there are a dozen who say they can filter out background noise and hear snippets before the call is disconnected - and another dozen who say it's too garbled to detect.

I think evidence is the wrong word - pure speculation would be better.  I'm sure someone who's followed the case better could explain it - but if you believe the John and or Patsy were involved in staging the kidnapping, some have speculated that they would not have done it for the other, but would have done it to protect Burke who might have accidentally killed JonBenet.   

Is John Ramsey still alive?

Wonder what he thinks of Burke's interview.

Not all children. One of my kids; yes. The other child? Up for the rest of the night if you made an attempt to move them.

I'm more on the side of no, not the parents because of the unknown DNA. I also thought the note had been analyzed by a handwriting expert who said it did not match John or Patsy. Like another poster said, there are probably "experts" for and against the Ramseys.

I've never really followed the case.

But reading everything here, my first thought would be a close friend of the family. Maybe someone who had even been to the same party. A drunk pedophile who knew the house well enough, grabbed JB, molested her & then decided hed have to kill her or shed simply say "it was dads co worker Joe"

Maybe they thought it was obvious who it was, so wrote the ransom note.

I've never thought it was the family. I can buy into the head wound in a fit of rage theory, but makes no sense to then strangle her to death. Doesn't add up. Even the most monstrous parents in the world take their wounded abused children to the er when they've gone to far - and make up a crazy story about what happened.

They don't say "well - we didn't finish the job so let's fashion a garrote & kill her that way - merry Christmas!"

There were two ask me anything AMA on Reddit that were fascinating. One from the chief investigator, James Kolar & Chief Mark Becker. Honestly a lotof good questions were asked and they gave detailed answers.

A few things that have been going through my mind.  Initially Jonbonet was hit on the head with a flash light which cracked her skull but didn't kill her.  Was Burke at 9 years old strong enough to crack her skull? Maybe. I don't think he was involved in the murder. Had he hit her over the head with a flashlight I don't think he would have immediately thought I need to cover this up by taking her downstairs and strangle her to death. And if Patsy found her after the head injury she would have taken her to the hospital because she was not dead.  Patsy at that point would rather save her daughters life than protect her son.  

I am leaning towards Patsy murdering her daughter. At some point during the night Jonbonet woke up in the middle of the night after wetting her bed. There was arguing, Patsy was irrate that yet again her beauty queen daughter wasn't perfect and that she had to deal with this in the middle of the night for the millionth time.  At some point she hit her daughter with a flashlight.  The force knocked Jonbonet out, which freaked out Patsy.  When Jonbonet came to Patsy tried to keep Jonbonet alert by taking her to the kitchen and giving her pineapple.  We all know that with brain injuries we need to keep the kids awake and alert and watch to see if the eyes roll back in the head.  This is where Patsy realized how serious her injuries were.  And instead of rushing her to the hospital to try and save Jonbonet life she had to come up with a plan.   Patsy knew she would eventually be arrested and everyone would know she had abused her daughter.  Murdering her daughter and coming up with this elaborate lie was the only way to keep herself out of prison and protect her reputation that was the most important thing to her. 
As for the ransom letter its looks to be Patsy's handwriting.  Why would John go along with this and protect his wife? Again reputation, maybe they would point the finger at him instead of her. At some point maybe he helped out.

So what about the trace DNA evidence on her pj's?  Maybe this DNA was from a store worker or the person who made the pajamas?  Is it possible the DNA had nothing to do with the murder?
So what about the evidence of sexual abuse?  There was no evidence that she was
sexually abused the night of the murderd.  Maybe the murder had nothing to do with the sexual abuse?  

I cant wrap my mind around any of it.  One thing is for certain was that life was hard for Jonbonet at 7. Sexual abuse a stage Mom and the life of a pageant queen.  I don't think we will ever know the truth.
Jen

I've read all of John Douglas' books (former FBI profiler, actually one of the first to develop profiling) he has seen and been involved in hundreds of murder investigations and he covers her death extensively.
he says in all of his experience he has seen multiple children killed by a parent, but he has never seen it be done like this.
He says this isn't how a parent kills a child it is much too forceful - he tied the cord around her neck then inserted a pencil in the back of the loop and twisted it around so hard that the force broke the pencil - he has never seen a parent kill a child like that ever.
It also sounds almost impossible for another child to do.
He also says that in cases of family homicides that the family members will often try to make it look like another crime - burglary gone wrong etc and then try to instigate that someone else find the body rather than find it themselves. If they 'staged' a murder scene then why would they 'unstage' it by finding the body themselves, moving it, ripping tape off her mouth etc? Surely if they went to the trouble of staging it, they'd want someone else to find it in that staged state.

He believes that it was someone known to the family who had a personal grudge against John Ramsay and who had been in their home before, he hid in the house while they were all out and then attempted to abduct her while everyone slept and then when something went wrong, killed her and fled. You can read his accounts in the book The Crimes that Haunt Us.

After reading his account of events (and he had access to police files, forensic reports etc) I can't see how or why anyone in the family would have killed her either deliberately or accidentally.

I agree so much with what you say in regards to the behavior of 9-12 year olds. I have 4 kids and I know they would have each reacted quite differently. I have one son who likely would have stayed holed up in his room, avoiding all the hysteria amd chaos. He is nearly 23 and would still take that approach. I have another who would have wanted to be in the thick of things offering his help and another whpo would sit in the corner and just cry unconsolable. The verdict is out on the 4th child LOL. Definitely different personality quirks in everyone.

I still find it puzzling that they never were able to solve this crime. My son was watching a special Who Did It type show the other evening that focused on this case. There were no answers at the end.

I'll admit I've not been watching the recent shows about this case.

But I am curious - did they ever determine how/when/where JonBenet ingested the pineapple? The last I read, there supposedly was a small bowl of pineapple with a large spoon on the kitchen table. The bowl had Patsy's and Burkes fingerprints, but not JonBenet's. Or was that just not true or just totally not connected to her murder?

I thought the head wound was pretty big.  No way would I be hungry if I got hit in the head.  Part of me just thinks that the police believed it was one of the Ramsey's so they didn't ever look outside of the family.  I do find it interesting is that the police admitted that they leaked lies to the press so one of the Ramseys would confess.  You can see why people believed that they did it.  I thought for years that the lack of prints in the snow and the window being too small to crawl through made the family look guilty only to find out that the pictures the next morning show absolutely no snow near the windows and that a man (or woman) could easily crawl through the window.  So many lies and speculation.  Hard to know what was the truth.  I also have a hard time believing the people who wrote books about the crime.  Were they just trying to sell their product?  

This is the thing I have wondered.Who would have sexually molested her.  I can't wrap my head around it either.SaveSave