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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 19:50:21 GMT
This is a spin-off of the obituary thread.
Are your children your *accomplishments*? Are your children's accomplishments yours too, by extension?
I don't feel like my children at my accomplishments, and nor are their accomplishments mine. I adore them, I love them, I think they are fantastic and wonderful. I've made the choice to stay home with them, because I think it's best for them, even though I don't think it's best for me. I am proud of them when they work hard and achieve something -- whether it is an academic award at school, or a drawing they did at home that they are happy with. But, those achievements aren't mine, they belong to my children.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 19:51:19 GMT
And, on the flip side, if you do believe that your children at your accomplishments or that their accomplishments are yours too by extension, does that mean a child is a "failure" in life (the definition of failure is yours to determine), are you a failure, too?
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Post by lumo on Aug 8, 2014 19:52:11 GMT
I don't know...ask me again in 16 years or so when she (should) graduate college Really, though, her accomplishments are just that -- hers. I don't take credit if she scores a goal or gets a gold star or whatever. That's hers. Not mine.
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Post by akathy on Aug 8, 2014 19:54:35 GMT
I agree with you. My children are adults and have done many amazing things that I could never have done. Am I proud? You bet but their accomplishments are the results of their hard work, not mine.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 8, 2014 19:57:02 GMT
I don't have kids, but I do have parents-- so:
I don't know how my parents would answer this, but as their child, I DEFINITELY believe they helped mold me into the person I am today, and that I wouldn't be where I am today with any of my accomplishments, education, etc. without their encouragement, assistance, and the opportunities I had in life by virtue of being part of our family and being their child.
No, my accomplishments themselves are not theirs, but they have played a part in what allowed me to do the accomplishing.
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Post by Sam on Aug 8, 2014 20:02:44 GMT
I can totally understand why a a parent would be proud of their child's accomplishments. I think there is nothing better than to look back and see that you have had a hand in moulding that child's decisions and achievements. I would also, without doubt, reference the influence of a Mother in my upbringing.
Those achievements may be your child's but not necessarily theirs alone. Others shape the course of a young life and you obviously play a large part in that.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 8, 2014 20:04:22 GMT
I think it's really a complex question. Who I turned out to be most definitely was influenced by the parents I had. Likewise, I think we all strive hard to be the best parents we can for our children because yes, it makes a difference. It's harder to overcome a crappy childhood and turn out into a good, productive person, it's entirely possible, though. But having said that, sometimes you can do everything right and still watch your child make bad choices that you don't support. So honestly, if I can raise them to be good, productive adults then I have done my job. But do I think I should take credit for their accomplishments, not really. Just like I know I'm doing my job raising them to the best of my ability and I will try not to beat myself up or call myself a failure if they screw up.
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Post by marianne on Aug 8, 2014 20:05:45 GMT
I raised my son to be his own person, an idependent man. I never looked at him as an accomplishment. I'm immensely proud of him and his accomplishments, but they belong to him, not me. He worked hard to get where he is in life and I'm just grateful and blessed that he shares that life with me. He is, however, my very best thing!
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Post by donna on Aug 8, 2014 20:07:56 GMT
It is very hard to not take my boys' failures as my own at times. Over the years you pore so much of yourself into your children. When they don't live up to their potential you start to wonder if you did something wrong along the way.
Ultimately, my boys' accomplishments or failures are truly their own.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 8, 2014 20:08:22 GMT
No, but part of the reason I've accomplished so much is because of the way I was raised. They may not be their accomplishments, but in my case (I realize this doesn't apply to everyone), I owe a lot of my success to my parents. I'd have no issue if they claimed them (but they won't).
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Post by Merge on Aug 8, 2014 20:09:01 GMT
I think my kids' accomplishments belong to them, but I'm proud of them all the same.
For me, I feel more free to be proud of their accomplishments than of my own. Isn't that strange? When I do something well I feel the need to deflect compliments and spread the praise around. When my kids do something well, I'm happy to just acknowledge their big accomplishment.
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Post by melanell on Aug 8, 2014 20:10:07 GMT
No, children are people. I may feel a sense of accomplishment in raising these little people into adults, but they are their own people free to do as they wish once they leave the nest. If they do good, I will be glad that they chose to do so. And if they should do bad, I will be heartbroken. But either way I don't think it has any bearing on how I parented them. If it did, then all extremely successful people should have extremely successful siblings (if they have siblings). And all mass murderers should have equally evil siblings, right? I think society & parents fall into this trap of trying to blame an older child/teen's or adult's behavior on their parents. And I don't think it's fair. You can have several children all raised in the same way and they all turn out remarkably different. I think parents should do their best and hope for the best. I'm not saying parents shouldn't be proud, of course. If DS grows up to be a molecular physicist, I'll be proud, but I won't feel it was any accomplishment of mine. But it will be an accomplishment of his.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 8, 2014 20:12:12 GMT
I agree with you. My children are adults and have done many amazing things that I could never have done. Am I proud? You bet but their accomplishments are the results of their hard work, not mine. Same here All three of my children are different from each other. They all have different goals, accomplishments and drive. I raised all three of them but they are not me and I am not them. I'm very proud of them but their accomplishments are their achievements not mine.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Aug 8, 2014 20:16:18 GMT
I'm very proud of them but their accomplishments are their achievements not mine. but I will accept people's congratulations on their behalf
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 20:19:43 GMT
I had a goal with my kids... to raise them to be ethical hardworking upstanding citiizens. I feel like I did accomplish that so to a degree they are my accomplishments. And, yes, I'd feel a sense of having failed if they had turned out otherwise.
I used to tell them that after they were 18 their life was fully theirs to do with as they wished. Before 18 I had a responsibility to them to make sure they reached 18 with a good foundation to build their adulthood on.
But, what THEY have accomplished in terms of awards, kudos, promotions, accolates or whatever measurement is THEIR accomplishment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 20:20:17 GMT
they helped mold me into the person I am today, and that I wouldn't be where I am today with any of my accomplishments, education, etc. without their encouragement, assistance, and the opportunities I had in life by virtue of being part of our family and being their child. No, my accomplishments themselves are not theirs, but they have played a part in what allowed me to do the accomplishing. That sums it up perfectly.
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Post by ~Zoey~ on Aug 8, 2014 20:29:31 GMT
And, on the flip side, if you do believe that your children at your accomplishments or that their accomplishments are yours too by extension, does that mean a child is a "failure" in life (the definition of failure is yours to determine), are you a failure, too? This is something that I've struggled with. My son (23) has made a few poor decisions and while he regrets them, the fact is that he still made those decisions. I have to remind myself that I didn't raise him like that and he made the poor decisions all on his own. It's still hard not to tell myself that it's my fault because maybe if I had done or said something different/better he wouldn't have made those decisions in the first place.
It also took me a while to get over the fact that he wasn't going to be the student I was. I never struggled in school, and to be honest, I didn't know what to do when he was struggling. (Especially with "new math" - I didn't have a clue! LOL) I had to learn patience and just accept that school wasn't his thing so we could both work through his challenges together.
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Post by freebird on Aug 8, 2014 20:29:45 GMT
My accomplishment is raising some good kids that went out into the world being self sufficient, contributing members of society. Their accomplishments are theirs which reaffirms that I did a good job of making them contributing members of society. That doesn't make me any less proud.
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 8, 2014 20:45:06 GMT
I somehow feel both ways about this... It annoys me to no end when my mom uses our accomplishments to brag about herself, when I probably would have been better off being raised by wolves. Because I feel like I had to work twice as hard just to be able to function as a normal human being, so don't you dare claim any of the credit, lady. Ahem. Mommy issues.
Conversely, my ultimate goal in life is to raise happy, well-adjusted, kind children. So, it's not that I count my children as accomplishments... I don't know, maybe I do? It's more that I take validation from their successes... that maybe I'm doing better for them than my parents did for me. Maybe I'm not irreparably screwing them up. Maybe devoting 30+ years of my life to them will have some benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 21:08:21 GMT
It's not an all or nothing thing for me. It's kind of complex and convoluted.
No, my kids are not *my* accomplishments, but I do think that raising decent, productive people was an accomplishment of sorts. Not that they're decent and productive solely because of me, but I hope that I helped contribute to that, even if it was in a small way. I'm very, very proud of them and their accomplishments.
And yes, if they were not great people I would struggle with feeling responsible.
Like MaryMary, I had some severely dysfunctional parents, and I do think that being raised by them hampered me in many ways. And yes, it would bug me if they decided they were solely responsible for my accomplishments.
I guess it really boils down to the nature vs. nurture debate in some ways-at least that's how I see it at the moment. I think my kids are innately good people, but I think (or hope) that I did play at least a tiny role in them fulfilling their nature/potential.
Gah, it's complicated.
But I really didn't have a problem with the obituary in question the way that so many seemed to.
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Post by leannec on Aug 8, 2014 21:12:12 GMT
My dd's make me very proud in many ways but I, in no way, take credit for their accomplishments ... a child needs to be able to take credit for what they do in order for them to feel that sense of accomplishment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 21:26:36 GMT
We are very proud of our children and their accomplishments but we don't feel that we should take credit for their hard work. That being said - our children credit us with raising them 'right' and giving them the tools to succeed. Makes those days when they, as teenagers, told us that we 'ruined' their lives well worth it.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Aug 8, 2014 22:04:52 GMT
I embrace the concept that my childrens' accomplishments belong to them, but have a hard time separating their failures from myself.
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Post by ladypop on Aug 8, 2014 23:39:12 GMT
they helped mold me into the person I am today, and that I wouldn't be where I am today with any of my accomplishments, education, etc. without their encouragement, assistance, and the opportunities I had in life by virtue of being part of our family and being their child. No, my accomplishments themselves are not theirs, but they have played a part in what allowed me to do the accomplishing. That sums it up perfectly. This.
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Post by Nink on Aug 8, 2014 23:50:02 GMT
Nope. I feel like I raised him the best way I knew how and tried to give him the tools and ethics he would need to become a productive member of society and a decent and caring human being. Once he became an adult he is his own person. One I'm proud of to be sure, but his accomplishments are his and his alone. He worked hard to achieve them.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 8, 2014 23:56:21 GMT
Perhaps accomplishments isn't the correct word. Sometimes they are a product, good or bad. But I think the parent who has spent countless hours and efforts to get a child to an elevated level of something would feel like the child was an accomplishment. My kid's fifth grade teacher wrote on his report card, "The apple does not fall far from the tree." My son smiled and said, "Apple, I'm applesauce."
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 9, 2014 0:04:31 GMT
My son's accomplishments are his own.
One of my accomplishments includes being a good mother. I was not perfect but I give it my all.
My husband and I believe education is important. Our son is bright and we have invested a lot of capital to insure he got the best education we could provide so that he has opportunities that we didn't have.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Aug 9, 2014 0:36:38 GMT
When people tell me what a wonderful son I have I say thank you but I don't take credit. Likewise if he turns into an ax murderer, I don't want the blame.
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Post by gryroagain on Aug 9, 2014 0:36:50 GMT
I will admit to thinking "wow, I made that" when watching my DD do gymnastics or dance. I guess because, I did, you know? Those lovely feet and legs, that expressive, beautiful face- I made that! From like, almost scratch! I grew and nurtured this person who is so lovely to watch on stage, with a body that does so many amazing things, and it really is amazing to me. I am proud of that, and of her, though her accomplishments are hers I suppose it's me being proud I supplied the raw ingredients, lol. Or not so much proud as awestruck a bit, over what she can do.
I do feel my childrens academic accomplishments are a reflection on me, but we home school so I think that is natural. I am less quick to take credit for the successes than the failures, I don't really know why. At this point (13 and 16) it's a matter of having given them the tools to use themselves, and seeing if they can.
I have seen kids with terrible parents do great things, and kids with every opportunity tank, so I know it is really up to the individual child to sink or swim. Despite this, I do feel it's a reflection on me, how they turn out.
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Post by inkedup on Aug 9, 2014 0:40:12 GMT
I love my children and love being their mother. I feel that a responsible, well adjusted adult is definitely a credit to his or her parents, but I don't think children are accomplishments. I am proud of my education and the things I've achieved in my life outside of children. I consider those to be my accomplishments in life.
My children are the light of my life. They make me proud every day, but that is because of who they are. Someday, I hope I can take credit for adding some good humans to the earth, but again - that will be more because of what they choose to do than what I have done for them.
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