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Post by christine58 on Oct 9, 2016 21:06:52 GMT
I'm not talking about the Peas or what's been said here. I haven't had a chance to read it, and I'm talking about society, not THIS Pea society, specifically, although some probably applies. I'm looking at a bigger picture than peaville This didn't help your comment about "no moral compass except Christians....NOT AT ALL.... You've made a huge general comment about this country, that the only ones with morals are Christians or other religions. SMFH
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 9, 2016 21:10:17 GMT
This post makes me sick! That is all.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 9, 2016 21:20:25 GMT
Well according to my facebook page and all my crazy conservative friends. Trump was SAVED. born again Christian "just recently" so we should all forgive whatever he has said previously. Because he was a sinner, and now he's saved. Dang. I'll have to look for the link. My eyes still hurt from rolling them though.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 9, 2016 21:22:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 21:26:56 GMT
Whew, what a blistering moral take-down! You must be exhausted after your long weekend in the alt-right echo chamber. You parrot it all very well: Bless your heart! I'd try to tell you why I disagree with so much of your sermon, but it's very apparent that you wouldn't listen: you're quite secure in your perceived moral superiority; and you seem to exceedingly comfortable up there on your moral high ground. The air up there must be quite thin: do take care not to over-exert yourself. Tonight when you're removing your judgy pants and getting ready to say your prayers, perhaps you might ponder upon the possibility that your tone and your actions here today have not been very kind towards others, and that you certainly don't seem to have provided much incentive for non-believers to entertain, much less embrace your viewpoints.
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Post by gar on Oct 9, 2016 21:33:39 GMT
Well according to my facebook page and all my crazy conservative friends. Trump was SAVED. born again Christian "just recently" so we should all forgive whatever he has said previously. Because he was a sinner, and now he's saved. Dang. I'll have to look for the link. My eyes still hurt from rolling them though. Must be very recent seeing as he hasn't mentioned it, and I'm pretty sure he would have done.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 9, 2016 21:33:54 GMT
Raise your hand if your sexual assault was at the hand of a Christian. I remember mine fondly. How loving and Christian he was as he announced he was ready to beg forgiveness. His God is a forgiving God you see. His God died for his sins. After all hate the sin, love the sinner. I'm sure all those Catholic priests who were abusing little boys were also quite moral. The highest of Christians in their communities. So yes, the only morals remaining are those who are strong in their beliefs. Of course they are. This!!! When men have assaulted women, they manage to "conveniently find Jesus" when on trial, they get their family, school teachers, friends, and pastors to say "he's such a great Christian", and roll out the big fat fucking moral compass----BE AUSE THEY GOT CAUGHT!!!!
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Post by scrapngranny on Oct 9, 2016 21:36:03 GMT
To me Christian denotes someone's religious belief, i.e. Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, atheists, not their quality as a human being. Being a Christian does not equate to being morally superior.
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Post by kelbel827 on Oct 9, 2016 21:36:25 GMT
Well, I guess since I have no religion, I have no moral compass. Your comments are so fucking crazy.
I do things because I feel they are morally right. I'm not acting because I'm afraid of some fictional person.
As for Trump, he can suck it.
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 9, 2016 21:38:53 GMT
I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. Perhaps if you had not made it a religious debate you may have had that engaging dialogue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 21:40:30 GMT
I'm not talking about the Peas or what's been said here. I haven't had a chance to read it, and I'm talking about society, not THIS Pea society, specifically, although some probably applies. I'm looking at a bigger picture than peaville Then I certainly hope you've treated all your real-life and social media friends to the same lecture you've seen fit to bestow upon the peas. I didn't return to talk politics, it's my least favorite topic. I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. I find it encouraging that there are people who object. I'm not asking for anyone to defend themselves as individuals, I thought of this as a collective view. I can't know where anyone here stands, until you share. So thank you for being willing to discuss it. I find it an important discussion. Where IS the line? And who holds to it. Not believing you about not wanting to talk politics. Your OP was nothing but a sermon based entirely on politics. Tip for the future: if you want discussion, don't lead off with a lecture about how morally superior you are to everyone else. An I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG AND I AM BETTER THAN YOU diatribe usually isn't conducive to actual discussion.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 9, 2016 21:48:53 GMT
I agree that this kind of talk is more common than we think. I agree that there is much to take offense at in popular culture. I disagree that you can determine who of us is jaw-droppingly hypocritical. I disagree that you can determine who of us is pretending offense to fit her political agenda. (And you have no idea how much each of us "pays attention" to cultural trends...how much we indulge...how much we rail. Just as we don't know about you.) The Christian thing: One of the main reasons I got drawn in to the old board was the opportunity to learn about people who are conservative Christians. So, opinions like yours (e.g. moral compass) are both fascinating and depressing. I'm not talking about the Peas or what's been said here. I haven't had a chance to read it, and I'm talking about society, not THIS Pea society, specifically, although some probably applies. I'm looking at a bigger picture than peaville Okay. First, that wasn't clear. Second, in my response, I think "who of us" can just as easily be applied to Global Us. I read your subsequent post about just wanting to spark a conversation about popular culture, which would normally hold a lot of interest for me. In fact, I'd been toying with starting a thread about how offensive I find the recent trend to insert oh-so-clever-female-snipes in TV scripts: "Quit being such a girl" (said to a man) or "He cried like a little girl" (little boys don't cry?) or "Take out your tampon " (said to a man by the feminist protagonist on "New Girl"). However, in this case, I'm not confident my opinion would be given the consideration it should because I am not a practicing Christian. I'm sorry you're getting so beat up, but you really need to start over if you're looking for what you claim.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 9, 2016 21:52:57 GMT
I wonder if the "Christian's" ( the right ones) are on an email chain to spread their brand of sanctimonious moral code--just in the last 24 hrs., we've heard from putabuttononit, skypea, lynlam, all who share the same views, all who have been off the boards for awhile!!!!
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 9, 2016 21:54:18 GMT
Moral people will be moral no matter what their religion. If you need a religion to give you a moral compas, and the only reason you don't treat people poorly is because some deity might punish you, you're a crappy person. Guess what happened after I stopped identifying as Christian? I met new people. I didn't feel weird around gay people. I wasn't shy talking to them because I realized they are just people like me who happen to like people of the same sex. I didn't lose my shit when my son went to a pride festival. I didn't ban my daughter from being friends with a transgender male teen. I didn't tell her it's okay to be friends with him even if what he is doing is wrong. I didn't teach them the dangers of masturbation because it's not evil, it's normal. I got to know people of different faiths because I wasn't devoting all of my time to religion. I realized where all religions do things wrong and where they do things right. Amazing discovery because my church was the only true church. I missed out on some amazing movies because R rated films were strongly discouraged. Like it or not, I'm less naive and that's a good thing to be in this world after seeing some "filth". I'm now at the point in my life where I think I want to try coffee, alcohol, and more tea than just green because that was bad too. Who knew by just opening your mind and tasting new things that life can be so much better? I'm not talking getting drunk. Getting to meet people with these interests, learning about wine, coffee, and tea. I saw some of the same arguments about this on Facebook. Bill Clinton did it 20 years ago what's the big deal Trump did it 11 years ago. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Clinton is a giant asshole when it comes to women, guess what? He's not running for POTUS. Trump said he was a star and could get away with things. What the actual hell?! He should be hanging out with Bill Cosby and not leading a country.
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Post by secondlife on Oct 9, 2016 21:56:02 GMT
She can't...she left here for awhile. Funny how she returned in time to talk politics. I didn't return to talk politics, it's my least favorite topic. I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. I find it encouraging that there are people who object. I'm not asking for anyone to defend themselves as individuals, I thought of this as a collective view. I can't know where anyone here stands, until you share. So thank you for being willing to discuss it. I find it an important discussion. Where IS the line? And who holds to it. You're going to do better not talking politics if you avoid subjects such as Donald Trump, who featured in your post. Sorry, you set yourself up for a political discussion when you did that.
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Post by gypsymama on Oct 9, 2016 22:06:28 GMT
I wonder if the "Christian's" ( the right ones) are on an email chain to spread their brand of sanctimonious moral code--just in the last 24 hrs., we've heard from putabuttononit, skypea, lynlam, all who share the same views, all who have been off the boards for awhile!!!! hahahah!!!indeed
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Oct 9, 2016 22:07:57 GMT
Hmm so how does Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Jimmy Swagger, Peter Pop off and Ted Haggard fit into your only Christians have a moral compass? There are tons of more evangelical leaders who screwed over their followers.
I know plenty of so called Christians who would screw you over with out hesitation.
The AL video was discussed when it first came out a couple of years ago and honestly it didn't bother me it's entertainment if you don't like it don't watch it! It was one of my favorite videos and songs of that year.
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Post by peano on Oct 9, 2016 22:08:13 GMT
She can't...she left here for awhile. Funny how she returned in time to talk politics. I didn't return to talk politics, it's my least favorite topic. I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. I find it encouraging that there are people who object. I'm not asking for anyone to defend themselves as individuals, I thought of this as a collective view. I can't know where anyone here stands, until you share. So thank you for being willing to discuss it. I find it an important discussion. Where IS the line? And who holds to it. Let's see. Where are we as a culture? Oh, geez, never fucking mind. Shove off twerp. Some of us have been decrying the appalling slime bucket that is the Republican candidate for months and hearing how "different" and "refreshing" his "honesty" is. I can't even with you people any more.
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Post by gar on Oct 9, 2016 22:11:30 GMT
She can't...she left here for awhile. Funny how she returned in time to talk politics. I didn't return to talk politics, it's my least favorite topic. I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. I find it encouraging that there are people who object. I'm not asking for anyone to defend themselves as individuals, I thought of this as a collective view. I can't know where anyone here stands, until you share. So thank you for being willing to discuss it. I find it an important discussion. Where IS the line? And who holds to it. It's quite hard to get on board with your desire for a debate when you start it by slapping lots of people around the face with your OP.
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Post by jennyap on Oct 9, 2016 22:11:33 GMT
Moral people will be moral no matter what their religion. If you need a religion to give you a moral compas, and the only reason you don't treat people poorly is because some deity might punish you, you're a crappy person. Guess what happened after I stopped identifying as Christian? I met new people. I didn't feel weird around gay people. I wasn't shy talking to them because I realized they are just people like me who happen to like people of the same sex. I didn't lose my shit when my son went to a pride festival. I didn't ban my daughter from being friends with a transgender male teen. I didn't tell her it's okay to be friends with him even if what he is doing is wrong. I didn't teach them the dangers of masturbation because it's not evil, it's normal. I got to know people of different faiths because I wasn't devoting all of my time to religion. I realized where all religions do things wrong and where they do things right. Amazing discovery because my church was the only true church. I missed out on some amazing movies because R rated films were strongly discouraged. Like it or not, I'm less naive and that's a good thing to be in this world after seeing some "filth". I'm now at the point in my life where I think I want to try coffee, alcohol, and more tea than just green because that was bad too. Who knew by just opening your mind and tasting new things that life can be so much better? I'm not talking getting drunk. Getting to meet people with these interests, learning about wine, coffee, and tea. I just wanted to say how awesome this is. Seriously, this makes me happy. You go girl!
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Post by jayfab on Oct 9, 2016 22:16:43 GMT
Trump has risen as far as he has exactly because of people like the op. Judgmental "christians" who are better than every one else. Do what I say not what I do.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 9, 2016 22:21:27 GMT
I'm sure it must be hard to live with the reality that this is who your political party and the "moral majority" nominated to be President. Some self-reflection as to why that occurred and an abandonment of the type of inane generalizations and false equivalencies in your OP would be a step in the process to bring your party back from the edge of the abyss at which it now finds itself.
If it's true that the men in your life banter about sexually assaulting women, there are services to which you can reach out for support and help.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 22:37:52 GMT
I am related to one of Trump's TV surrogates by marriage. This person claims to be a Christian but is in fact one of the nastiest, most narcissistic people I know. Goes to "church" every Sunday, yet tells their children that all Muslims should die and God hates homosexuals. They present this image of being a devoted Christian family person, but the truth is completely different.
Unfortunately, it is people like this that I feel have hijacked the Republican Party.
My Muslim husband was horrified and disgusted by Trump's words. He was quite clear when he said if another man called his daughter a "piece of ass".... He said he would probably kill them! But I guess since he isn't Christian his morals are suspect.
I don't know how many times I keep asking myself are we being punked with this election.
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Post by carhoch on Oct 9, 2016 22:51:53 GMT
She can't...she left here for awhile. Funny how she returned in time to talk politics. I didn't return to talk politics, it's my least favorite topic. I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. I find it encouraging that there are people who object. I'm not asking for anyone to defend themselves as individuals, I thought of this as a collective view. I can't know where anyone here stands, until you share. So thank you for being willing to discuss it. I find it an important discussion. Where IS the line? And who holds to it. What you said was offensive to a lot of us and you totally dismissed and I don't believe for one second that you are that clueless!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 9, 2016 22:55:01 GMT
I am related to one of Trump's TV surrogates by marriage. WTH is "one of Trumps TV surrogates"? what or who is that? LOL. sorry. not up to speed on that expression
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 9, 2016 23:01:03 GMT
I am related to one of Trump's TV surrogates by marriage. WTH is "one of Trumps TV surrogates"? what or who is that? LOL. sorry. not up to speed on that expression She means one of the talking heads that are on tv making excuses for and giving support to trump.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 9, 2016 23:02:03 GMT
I am related to one of Trump's TV surrogates by marriage. I'm confused by this as well! But I agree with the rest of your post!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 9, 2016 23:05:48 GMT
I'm sure it must be hard to live with the reality that this is who your political party and the "moral majority" nominated to be President. Some self-reflection as to why that occurred and an abandonment of the type of inane generalizations and false equivalencies in your OP would be a step in the process to bring your party back from the edge of the abyss at which it now finds itself. If it's true that the men in your life banter about sexually assaulting women, there are services to which you can reach out for support and help. Yes--and it started (for me in my adult political life) when Mitt Romney ran.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 9, 2016 23:29:29 GMT
Why the use of surrogates? is this something new? or trendy? or what? it's silly
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Post by sanctimommy on Oct 9, 2016 23:30:08 GMT
Amen.
I'm so glad I live where I do. I've been able to protect my littles from the secular world of atheists, feminists and liberals who do nothing but promote rape culture, talk trash about women and feed their kiddos processed food.
Clean air and a clean Jesus-loving heart give me a high vantage point to see the hypocritical masses below.
I'm not judging or laughing. I'm just so saddened for all those poor souls that don't really know Jesus or the freedom of open carry.
I'll pray for all you who just don't see how hypocritical you are.
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