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Post by pyccku on Oct 9, 2016 23:37:40 GMT
Why the use of surrogates? is this something new? or trendy? or what? it's silly They used to be called "spokesmen" or "representatives." Now they are known as surrogates. I agree, it's stupid. I'm ready for the words surrogate and narrative to be retired. Save
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 9, 2016 23:45:28 GMT
sanctimommy must live in Alaska too?
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Post by putabuttononit on Oct 9, 2016 23:55:15 GMT
I didn't mean to offend anyone personally, and I can't defend this man, and I'm not trying, I am sad that he's our candidate. I apologize for not taking more time to craft the OP. One of my major faults is I don't have enough patience so I rush through everything. (Right now trying to make a cheesecake and realized I needed 4 more hours than I allotted). I absolutely don't think Christians are above anyone, in fact we can be the worst, and hypocracy is alive and well among us. Some of the kindest most generous people I hang out with are atheists, there's no religion for decent, kind, honest, compassionate humanity. Religion or no religion, Good people are everywhere. (So thankful for that!). It was wrong to say there's no moral compass, I really should have said I wish there were MORE people with a greater sense of morality. I spoke out of discouragement as a parent trying to raise decent kids in a pretty messed up world. Perfect parent? Nope but I really try to guide them and help them navigate in this culture, to make the right choices even when it's not easy or popular. If our society in general stood up for more decency, maybe a shift could take place and changes could happen. Maybe this can be the beginning of that shift, if everyone starts talking about where lines should be drawn, what kind of conduct we want in our leaders and what we can and will accept, I see that as a positive thing.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 9, 2016 23:55:27 GMT
sanctimommy must live in Alaska too? Maybe she is also BFFs with Sarah Palin like the OP is!!
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Oct 9, 2016 23:58:17 GMT
He's sure not "my candidate!"
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 10, 2016 0:06:45 GMT
Betcha didn't think you'd receive these responses did you?😂 And yeah some of the biggest Christians in my world have beaten their wives and/or kids, screwed around on their spouses and have been the biggest jerkoffs I know. But hey! Christians aren't perfect; just forgiven.😉
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 0:12:14 GMT
Oh goodie, the updated version of "I have a Black friend, so I'm not a racist."
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Post by tinydogmafia on Oct 10, 2016 0:15:34 GMT
I'd rather be lumped into your group of non-Christian immorals than be a Trump apologist any day of the week.
Signed,
An immoral non-Christian
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carhoch
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Post by carhoch on Oct 10, 2016 0:35:22 GMT
sanctimommy must live in Alaska too? Sanctimommy is the queen of sarcasm she is very funny
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Post by Skypea on Oct 10, 2016 0:45:31 GMT
Well bless your heart. Signed, a moral atheist who doesn't watch reality TV and has never seen the Adam Levine video in question. But good job on the sweeping generalization. And further, if a lot of what passes for Christianity in this country, including the far-right wing of the Republican Party, is your idea of a moral compass, I'd like mine to point the other direction, please. it isn't Christianity that passes for Christianity to most people in this world.
don't worry, it sounds like it's already pointed in that direction.
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Post by Skypea on Oct 10, 2016 0:52:26 GMT
Some of the biggest assholes I know go to church every Sunday. same here. and from what I've heard from both HC and DT, they say they go regularly.
going to church 7 x a week doesn't make anyone a Christian.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 10, 2016 1:04:38 GMT
I didn't mean to offend anyone personally, and I can't defend this man, and I'm not trying, I am sad that he's our candidate. I apologize for not taking more time to craft the OP. One of my major faults is I don't have enough patience so I rush through everything. (Right now trying to make a cheesecake and realized I needed 4 more hours than I allotted). I absolutely don't think Christians are above anyone, in fact we can be the worst, and hypocracy is alive and well among us. Some of the kindest most generous people I hang out with are atheists, there's no religion for decent, kind, honest, compassionate humanity. Religion or no religion, Good people are everywhere. (So thankful for that!). It was wrong to say there's no moral compass, I really should have said I wish there were MORE people with a greater sense of morality. I spoke out of discouragement as a parent trying to raise decent kids in a pretty messed up world. Perfect parent? Nope but I really try to guide them and help them navigate in this culture, to make the right choices even when it's not easy or popular. If our society in general stood up for more decency, maybe a shift could take place and changes could happen. Maybe this can be the beginning of that shift, if everyone starts talking about where lines should be drawn, what kind of conduct we want in our leaders and what we can and will accept, I see that as a positive thing. You might want to you post this as an update in your OP.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 10, 2016 1:30:29 GMT
I was raised Christian and my youth pastor had us travel to different religious houses so we could see how our religions were not so far apart. I went to church three times a week and learned about the Bible and forgiveness and loving your neighbor no matter who they were. My dad was old school and had a harder time with different races and worked in a good old boy business. I think being able to see both sides of the coin made me perhaps more open minded and a lot less judgy than I could have turned out. I prefer to judge people on their character and not color or sex. I also agree that you are going to find some of the loveliest souls in the church and also outside of the church. You just can't put a blanket statement on people and their true colors like that. I cuss and laugh at inappropriate things now and then. I am human. While those aren't great things, I am all in when things really matter. My character was not determined so much by attending church as much as having an incredible mother who loved people. All people.
For those of you offended by religious people, please know there are plenty of us out there who are just like you in that we are good, imperfect people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 2:12:13 GMT
I am so sick of the condescending crap from the left in regards to Donald Trump.
There are multiple women dating back to 1969 who allege that Bill Clinton either harrassed or sexually assaulted them. There are a couple women like Juanita Broaddrick who state that he flat out raped them.
There's another Bill. Bill Cosby. Multiple women came forward about him sexually assaulting them. I believe them, and so do most other people I know. Where there is that much smoke, there's fire, and I believe the same about Bill Clinton. Bill Cosby is in disgrace, but Bill Clinton is not, and I believe that is because of the Clinton political machine.
Hillary chose to defend him time after time for decades. Sorry, I just don't see her as a champion of women. I don't think she gives a crap about women as long as she gets her money and power. And that's not even counting all the other stuff that I think she's personally done that I think is morally wrong and corrupt. I don't think that her morals are ANY better than Donald Trump's, sorry.
I can't stand Donald Trump. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and I totally can't stand her platform. She's liberal. DT's moderate. I'm conservative. So I'm voting for Donald Trump.
Let me say this: Anyone can have morals. Morals are due to each individual's character and the choices they make. You can't make blanket statements about Christians or any other group of people. It will get you into trouble every.single.time.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 10, 2016 3:00:11 GMT
I have not heard of Hillary defending Bill's cheating? can you post links? Besides her staying and working on their marriage. I have never heard her say a word about it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 10, 2016 3:12:51 GMT
Uh, I don't have a religion, but I sure as shit have a moral compass.
But, okay.
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Post by Merge on Oct 10, 2016 3:21:07 GMT
I am so sick of the condescending crap from the left in regards to Donald Trump. There are multiple women dating back to 1969 who allege that Bill Clinton either harrassed or sexually assaulted them. There are a couple women like Juanita Broaddrick who state that he flat out raped them. There's another Bill. Bill Cosby. Multiple women came forward about him sexually assaulting them. I believe them, and so do most other people I know. Where there is that much smoke, there's fire, and I believe the same about Bill Clinton. Bill Cosby is in disgrace, but Bill Clinton is not, and I believe that is because of the Clinton political machine. Hillary chose to defend him time after time for decades. Sorry, I just don't see her as a champion of women. I don't think she gives a crap about women as long as she gets her money and power. And that's not even counting all the other stuff that I think she's personally done that I think is morally wrong and corrupt. I don't think that her morals are ANY better than Donald Trump's, sorry. I can't stand Donald Trump. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and I totally can't stand her platform. She's liberal. DT's moderate. I'm conservative. So I'm voting for Donald Trump. Let me say this: Anyone can have morals. Morals are due to each individual's character and the choices they make. You can't make blanket statements about Christians or any other group of people. It will get you into trouble every.single.time. Jodster, with all due respect, you mentioned on another thread that you didn't listen to political chatter but only voted based on platform, and that is your prerogative. Please know that "the left's" dislike of Trump goes far beyond this latest issue. He has insulted Mexicans, Muslims, African Americans, war veterans and a gold star family. He has shown a complete lack of understanding of how government works, how military strategy works and indeed how the office of the president works. That's all before he ever got around to insulting and degrading women or threatening his political opponent on TV tonight. It's a little condescending of you to say that you don't listen to speeches or chatter and then come out swinging without any idea of the context under which most of us are operating. I suspect that if the worst thing you could say about Trump was his attitude toward women, he'd raise less ire, but he has repeatedly shown such contemptuous behavior and unfitness for the office that even his own party can't stand him. Many principled and conservative Christians I know are choosing to vote for McMillan or write someone in, or just sit this one out, rather than vote for Trump. This is not just about "the left" and our "condescending crap."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 3:31:05 GMT
Point taken Merge. Not trying to be condescending, just frustrated.
You're right, I don't listen to any of it...don't know if I ever will again.
It's not just here that I see lectures aimed at those voting Trump, and it's frustrating. It's post after post on FB too. I just don't get how supporting a candidate like Hillary gives anyone the moral high ground.
I don't know anyone that is excited about voting for Trump. If the GOP hadn't completely ignored their base after the last election we wouldn't be in this position now, and it ticks me off.
PS...
I can't vote for someone other than a candidate who has a chance of winning. I don't see the point.
As long as the Supreme Court has lifetime appointments I will be voting for the more conservative candidate.
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Post by ro on Oct 10, 2016 3:37:08 GMT
Point taken Merge. Not trying to be condescending, just frustrated. You're right, I don't listen to any of it...don't know if I ever will again. It's not just here that I see lectures aimed at those voting Trump, and it's frustrating. It's post after post on FB too. I just don't get how supporting a candidate like Hillary gives anyone the moral high ground. I don't know anyone that is excited about voting for Trump. If the GOP hadn't completely ignored their base after the last election we wouldn't be in this position now, and it ticks me off. Jodster, I absolutely disagree with your earlier post, bit you are a world-class pea. I wish everyone posted like you. I said in a different post, that I couldn't understand why anyone would be so firmly entrenched in party lines but I respect that you are always honest and humble with your responses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 3:42:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 5:21:59 GMT
WTH is "one of Trumps TV surrogates"? what or who is that? LOL. sorry. not up to speed on that expression She means one of the talking heads that are on tv making excuses for and giving support to trump. Exactly. The person's spouse is my 1st cousin.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 10, 2016 6:27:22 GMT
I have not heard of Hillary defending Bill's cheating? can you post links? Besides her staying and working on their marriage. I have never heard her say a word about it. Check NPR.org on tonight's debate, the fact check part, it's a short version but the gist. She hasn't said much about it and what she has said is not the attacking by any means that the right would have you believe.
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Post by Skypea on Oct 10, 2016 10:10:02 GMT
oh my. the pea hatred is just a bubbling... and so much from those who've been attacking DT!
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Post by Skypea on Oct 10, 2016 10:26:51 GMT
I have not heard of Hillary defending Bill's cheating? can you post links? Besides her staying and working on their marriage. I have never heard her say a word about it. Check NPR.org on tonight's debate, the fact check part, it's a short version but the gist. She hasn't said much about it and what she has said is not the attacking by any means that the right would have you believe. back at the time, HC attacked the WOMEN that Bill cheated on her with. She was very nasty about it. I'm sure you can still find it online. someone used a clip of an HC verbal attack on 1 or more of them in a campaign ad here in AZ.
there also was something about it was HC who hired someone to follow Bill? or maybe just to harass the women. I don't remember the fine details after all of these years. The women were harassed.
I'm pretty sure she attacked Bill behind the scenes... most wives would.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 10, 2016 12:24:56 GMT
Check NPR.org on tonight's debate, the fact check part, it's a short version but the gist. She hasn't said much about it and what she has said is not the attacking by any means that the right would have you believe. back at the time, HC attacked the WOMEN that Bill cheated on her with. She was very nasty about it. I'm sure you can still find it online. someone used a clip of an HC verbal attack on 1 or more of them in a campaign ad here in AZ.
there also was something about it was HC who hired someone to follow Bill? or maybe just to harass the women. I don't remember the fine details after all of these years. The women were harassed.
I'm pretty sure she attacked Bill behind the scenes... most wives would.
If you don't know the details and cannot provide real, actual facts about it--then don't speak like you know it happened. I've been asking the question for a while now, and surprisingly none of the haters can link or show these supposed attacks on these women. All you do is repeat propaganda.
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Post by Merge on Oct 10, 2016 13:00:00 GMT
Point taken Merge. Not trying to be condescending, just frustrated. You're right, I don't listen to any of it...don't know if I ever will again. It's not just here that I see lectures aimed at those voting Trump, and it's frustrating. It's post after post on FB too. I just don't get how supporting a candidate like Hillary gives anyone the moral high ground. I don't know anyone that is excited about voting for Trump. If the GOP hadn't completely ignored their base after the last election we wouldn't be in this position now, and it ticks me off. Jodster, I absolutely disagree with your earlier post, bit you are a world-class pea. I wish everyone posted like you. I said in a different post, that I couldn't understand why anyone would be so firmly entrenched in party lines but I respect that you are always honest and humble with your responses. Yes, @jodster is the best. We don't agree on politics, but she is always thoughtful and respectful. Everyone, including me, would do well to emulate her. Don't be a stranger, jodster!
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Post by not2peased on Oct 10, 2016 13:48:12 GMT
I'm sure it must be hard to live with the reality that this is who your political party and the "moral majority" nominated to be President. Some self-reflection as to why that occurred and an abandonment of the type of inane generalizations and false equivalencies in your OP would be a step in the process to bring your party back from the edge of the abyss at which it now finds itself. If it's true that the men in your life banter about sexually assaulting women, there are services to which you can reach out for support and help. THIS
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Post by jenn on Oct 10, 2016 14:47:59 GMT
Ok, maybe this is the wrong post for this but... Saturday night I was watching SNL and enjoying the great opening number. Did you notice the two chorus girls dressed in very revealing clothes? Why were they there? The women dancers in the piece were great, but did you notice they all wore revealing outfits, while the men were completely dressed? Why? This objectifying women as sexual objects has to stop...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 15:22:22 GMT
Ok, maybe this is the wrong post for this but... Saturday night I was watching SNL and enjoying the great opening number. Did you notice the two chorus girls dressed in very revealing clothes? Why were they there? The women dancers in the piece were great, but did you notice they all wore revealing outfits, while the men were completely dressed? Why? This objectifying women as sexual objects has to stop... Based on a picture that LMM posted on Twitter, I think they may have been part of a skit that didn't make it to air. But yes, you are correct that the tendency to have scantily clad women as set dressing while men are fully clothed needs to change. We're not objects.
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Post by elaine on Oct 10, 2016 15:45:57 GMT
Ok, maybe this is the wrong post for this but... Saturday night I was watching SNL and enjoying the great opening number. Did you notice the two chorus girls dressed in very revealing clothes? Why were they there? The women dancers in the piece were great, but did you notice they all wore revealing outfits, while the men were completely dressed? Why? This objectifying women as sexual objects has to stop... Based on a picture that LMM posted on Twitter, I think they may have been part of a skit that didn't make it to air. But yes, you are correct that the tendency to have scantily clad women as set dressing while men are fully clothed. We're not objects. I assumed that the show girls were a reference to Trump's casino and also the "show" that this election has become. The people at the desk next to them were supposed to represent a campaign headquarters' call center, I thought, given what the lyrics were at the time. I could be wrong though - that was just my read at the time. I also assumed that LMM brought the street dancers with him, since he wrote the opening number.
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