LBGTQ Concerns

With Mike Pence as his running mate, I'd say anything is possible.

My first concern would be the SC, obviously. If not actually overthrowing the gay marriage decision, I can easily imagine a series of decisions designed to undermine it in the name of "religious freedom." Allowing county clerks to refuse to issue licenses to same-sex couples, for example, or allowing JPs to refuse to perform same-sex ceremonies. The list could easily go on, similar to what social conservatives have done in Texas and other places in an attempt to undermine abortion rights.

Trump himself may not care that much about the issue, but once he's nominated that conservative justice, it's pretty well out of his hands.

Queer or questioning, it's fluid.

Queer

You all do realize that Scalia was appointed by Reagan. And in that time they made gay marriage legal.
Ya'll need to start remembering that we live under a system of checks and balances.

Queer. Some people just identify as queer. I am not sure what it means, but maybe they don't want to be labelled in any other form?

Thanks to everyone for their replies.



ETA to correct spelling. 

I've been hearing that Trump isn't focused on LGBTQ but Pence has said he will make it a priority that Trump will make changes that are negative to the LGBTQ community. I'm really hoping that doesn't come to pass.

I THINK Trump has said things to indicate that he wants his VP to be actively involved in day-to-day stuff, rather than he himself dealing with that level of governing. And if that's true, there is reason to be concerned because Pence is VERY conservative and seems to believe in conversion therapy for gays, for example. His record in Indiana on LGBTQ issues is a major concern.

Trump already has a list of judges he might nominate. He's likely to get them confirmed, with a Republican Senate. Of course, there is no guarantee how a judge will vote on future cases, and we have been surprised in the past by justices who turned out to be more liberal than the president who nominated them. With Trump/Pence in office it's normal to be concerned about what will happen on the SC and what cases might be heard.

Many on the left are absolutely HORRIFIED by Pence.  There was a joke post that popped in my feed from "God's" facebook page where it stated that Trump chose Pence as his running mate to ensure no one tries to assassinate him.  Pence is very right winged on social issues and is the modern day version of what the civil rights movement fought against.  He is a disgraceful human being.  Why anyone would want to spend their career hurting people when there is literally no harm in just turning the other cheek on things that you don't agree with is beyond me.  I've never heard the term before, but Trump is a RINO according to my husband.  Republican in name only.  He is NOT a Republican, but he WILL surround himself with party platform people because he doesn't know the job.  He will effectively become the face of establishment because the people pulling the strings behind the scenes ARE establishment people.  They are the ones who will be doing most of the work, not Trump.

In the immediate future, because of a conservative seat being filled by another conservative (as opposed to a liberal or moderate seat being filled by a conservative), other than the names in the running being more right-wing than Scalia, not much will change.  But, as I've read, the liberals in the SC are 10-20 years older than the oldest conservatives (80+) which means there is a pretty high chance that during Trump's presidency, liberal seats will be vacated and a very conservative SCOTUS would result.  My hope is that the next 2 years do not go as well as desired on the right (much like Obama was stonewalled and couldn't do the things he had hoped to do...but in this case rather than being stonewalled, it would be a case of the policy not doing what was promised to the people who voted for him) so Congress turns to a Democratic lead in the mid-terms.  Provided no liberal seats vacate in those 2 years, a Democratic majority can deny the appointment of another conservative.  That keeps it FAIR and balanced.  Otherwise, there is going to be a lot of hurt in the years that follow for the groups that have been fighting for the past 20+ years for equal rights and protection under the law that will take a long, long while to undo.  One sided government does not benefit the populous...it benefits a singular group of people.

While I see it as unlikely, there is a lot of concern for the trickle down effect.  Overturn gay marriage then overturn discrimination against gays as a crime...what's to stop a Republican led government from keeping that going and overturning discrimination against race, sex, religion (so long as it's anything other than Christian), ethnicity, age, etc?

My immediate concern with this election is that trump will somehow die in office and we will be left with a Pence presidency. So right now I am keeping my fingers crossed that trump survives for at least four years.

I'm a big believer in past behavior will dictate future behavior in most instances. What trump will do is pretty much unknown at this point but the one thing that is certain is that he will do what will benefit HIS personal bottom line.

Those who think not having republican support from some representatives will stop him are being naive. The man is a crook and a con. He has been gathering blackmail worthy info on anyone who has any power for decades and he will absolutely use it to force his will. Politicians have plenty of skeletons and they will be used as leverage. trump is not a politician he doesn't play by political rules.

Corporate rule has arrived and after this presidency it will never be undone. He will leave office with exponentially more wealth and leave behind a trail of destruction of the people's rights.

My best takeaway from election coverage was for the movie Loving.  Then there is another movie, Hidden Figures, that I'm also really looking forward to seeing.  Loving is the story of what paved the way for my marriage to be legal (interracial) and in spite of many in the AA community not equating gay rights to the civil rights movement, my husband and I are firm supporters of the LGBTQ community BECAUSE we see the similarities and my marriage to my husband has only been legal since 1967.  So while we cannot relate to the fight personally because it was prior to our generation, we are still a group that isn't entirely accepted (remember the backlash to the interracial family in that Cheerios commercial???) in spite of the fact that our marriage doesn't impact anyone outside of it.  Loving comes out tomorrow...I am hoping my Mom will be okay watching the kids for a few hours for my husband and I to go see it, I can't wait.

What is ironic to me is these uplifting and inspiring movies about our progress as a nation is the complete opposite of the America I woke up to yesterday.

So, the checks and balances work because for 18 months now, the states have been forced to marry same sex couples?

And that under legal challenge from many angles? Kim Davis, for example, who attempted to decide that the law didn't apply to her job?

I'd be inclined to ask one of the many same sex couples who were together for 30-40-50 years before last year's ruling and see how decades of discrimination worked for them - or if it's all water under the bridge now that the SC finally ruled in their favor.

LGBT is not a protected class everywhere. Some jurisdictions include sexual orientation as a protected class, but not all.

Even though Pence has gone on the record about rescinding LGBQT rights? He believes in gay conversion therapy, this is not someone who will be a friend to the gay community.