So I think I'm done here

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.



For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).



None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.



Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.



While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.



With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account. - James Comey, July 5, 2016

That's where I get my info to make my "she plays fast and loose with national security" claim.  

And the same flaw exists with your argument. No one believes that a Republican that has a special needs child is going to throw that child away.

But it is plausible that a Republican without contact with anyone different doesn't see that perspective. Same is true for a Democrat.

I saw a FB conversation in my local area where a very vocal Repub was talking about "them" and how "they" need to get off welfare and quit sucking up "his" money. We live in a VERY white area. He sees welfare/SNAP/etc. as a "them" problem, which is code for black (IMO). He doesn't recognize that 40% of one of our local elementary school students are on free-and-reduced lunch, and about 30% of the other 2 elementary schools are. Words on the internet can't fight that perception. Facts don't even work (at least in this guy's case). He believes what he believes. Period.

Painting everyone with one huge brush stroke only makes the rhetoric and anger escalate.

Interesting that the Bush administration "lost" 22 MILLION emails during an investigation of the outing of Valerie Plame. No one said a peep about carelessness. 22 MILLION.


www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/14/white.house.emails/

And Romney deleted emails left and right before running for office: When Governor Romney left office in 2007, he took unprecedented measures to delete and destroy all electronic documents. He spent over $100,000 of state funds to replace all computers and each of his staffers purchased hard drives from their machines. These actions were unprecedented.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/if-you-voted-for-romney-and-care-about-hillarys-emails_us_57f538e0e4b050f8f9044df1

Slow down. I said neither. I didn't vote for either of the major party candidates. I don't line up ideologically with either party. I'm saying that what he said during the campaign and what he is doing in the 4 days after the election don't match. My fear is that we now have a total wildcard as president. We really have no idea what he will do or where he will dig in his heels.

That's also, IMO, why it's so divisive right now. If you don't know what the policy plan is, then all that is left is character. And very few can argue that his character is what we want.

Whoops. My response was to this. Still learning how to work things on the board. ETA my response above with the quote: Slow down. I  said neither. I didn't vote for either of the major party candidates. I don't line up ideologically with either party. I'm saying that what he said during the campaign and what he is doing in the 4 days after the election don't match. My fear is that we now have a total wildcard as president. We really have no idea what he will do or where he will dig in his heels.

That's also, IMO, why it's so divisive right now. If you don't know what the policy plan is, then all that is left is character. And very few can argue that his character is what we want.

Also - it might be courageous. I think the best thing Trump could do is say he's revisited his previous position and seen that throwing it out would be a mistake. If he's capable of admitting he was wrong, that would be something to give me hope.

I *am* thrilled he wants to keep parts of it and improve upon it. I think it's much better than just repealing. My personal assessment of Trump is that he listens to whomever has his ear at the moment so time will tell if he holds true to keeping some of it.

Thanks though for painting all of us with the same broad brush that you claim to not want to be painted with. It certainly is a two way street.

I agree in that I would probably just leave.  

However I certainly don't begrudge anyone to have their say before they left.  How many times have you (General you) just wanted to say your peace before you left someplace, or say what you really wanted to in an exit interview? To me this is no different.  So I think people should stay or go, announce or just quietly slip away...however feels right to them. 

Good luck to you wildcatmom if you are still reading.

❤️❤️❤️❤️ I love you. ❤️

Ya think?

I hope you realize that you just restated pretty many of the posts I've made this past month or two.

There is no room to breathe.

Wildcatmom began this thread to say "Goodbye" and not to just silently slip away.

Instead of wishing her well, or just even saying "Goodbye" back, she was told that she needed to own her responsibility for Trump winning the office of president and that she is partially responsible for every broken dream, every disappointed hopeful, every sick and twisted thing that anybody of any age in this country of about 320 million people say or do that in any way, even falsely, that can somehow be linked to Donald Trump.

And no one actually knows how or if she even voted!

as a liberal, a texan and a former military wife... yea...she gave it a LOT! if you didn't see it, you were in agreement with her and it was no big deal. those of us who were made to feel like we were traitors and unpatriotic and and and...

Yungmom here. I was here in the somewhat early days of two peas. I didn't join refugees for quite awile. I think I closed my account. Last spring I really needed answers about bedbugs, but wasn't willing to post with my name while we were in the middle of it. That's why the odd name now.

Anyway, what you are saying here is part of the problem. I keep hearing the left describe and compare the left and right, but in the description the right always comes out behind. The last few days I keep hearing these explanations, but it always puts the right in a lesser light.

The right over the years has done the same thing to the left.

I'm in the middle so maybe that helps me see both sides or maybe it just makes me doubly blind. So I'm going to do to both sides what I am telling both sides not to do to each other. Probably hypocritical of me. And all the while it feels odd, because I plan on leaving,not even reading afterwards. I just see this lack of understanding on both sides happening all over the Internet and hope that my last post might do some good.

The right is not ignorant and unresponsive to those who need help and have no one. The right feels you ought to do what you can and the rest of us should come in, and by own choice and responsibility, help those who can't help themselves.

The left is not out to make everyone feel lazy and force people to help others. The left feels you ought to do what you can and the rest of us should choose to have a government that helps those who can't help themselves.

It's really the same general fix. The only key difference is who both sides feel should be responsible for its administration. There are pros and cons to both sides, including people not getting the help they need under both administrations so neither side is perfect.

Maybe instead of both sides explaining what they think the other side is saying we should have someone on both sides working together to explain both sides. Just the facts, not why either side is better - at least until people can see each side. Then the pros and cons could be discussed after the basic ideas are understood.

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There have been so many times I have been tempted to log in over different things. I stopped posting some time ago for a number of reasons. I find when I don't post then I don't read as much and sometimes my heart just hurts over things said here. How I wish for a more gentle board that has intelligent conversation on a variety of topics.

It would be nice to skip past political posts, but you can't always tell from the title. Besides I don't want to skip past them. I want to learn from them as I have learned so much over the years. But I cannot deal with it any longer either - not just the political ones, but so many other topics.

Why put this out there instead of slipping away quietly? It's not for attention. I have been off and on involved with peas for more than 16 years (I'm really not sure when I started, just know it was before my youngest was born.) And I can't promise I won't be back and I've learned why sometimes it is good to say goodbye.

The time spent here has shown me and probably wildcatmom that people will often be asked about. By posting here she can let others know, by her own words, why she left, not leaving others to speculate.


I like when my son tells me he is leaving instead of quietly slipping out the door. My husband. I've never lived in a house where that wasn't something you do. Wildcat mom has been a fixture here for at least as long as I have. There are probably other reaons she chose to tell she was leaving as well.

Last time I slipped out. This time, I'll say goodbye with her. Maybe this time I'm really closing the door.

You know what.....I hate hair flips. It's like I'm taking my toy and going home. I'm a Republican but this board opened my eyes to so many personal opinions and stories that over the years my views on things have changed. I'm sad we have a Trump instead of Hillary. Not as sad as dems are I'm sure but I feel like rights we have fought for are going to be altered in ways that will change us and not in a good way. It's what it is, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss it, argue it and move on. It's been 4 days.

Well there are people who have just recently left and didn't hairflip. I don't know how many or all of their names but maybe someone will notice soon.

I agree, snowsilver, with every single word of your post.

Lisa