imsirius
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Post by imsirius on Nov 20, 2016 17:56:05 GMT
I don't think it would cost that much more, if any at all. They have to provide protection, no matter where she is. And the kids get their own protection too. I'd imagine one child is cheaper than the current president's two children. As much as people have complained about her being First Lady, you'd think this was a welcome announcement. It will cost more. Did you read the article Enna posted? They will be at Trump tower 24/7 and also vetting and searching DAILY the homes and businesses in Trump tower. People come in and out of that building a hundred times a day. It will cost much, much more with more manpower needed and the logistical nightmare it's going to cause.
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 17:56:20 GMT
I don't think it would cost that much more, if any at all. They have to provide protection, no matter where she is. And the kids get their own protection too. I'd imagine one child is cheaper than the current president's two children. As much as people have complained about her being First Lady, you'd think this was a welcome announcement. How would keeping two locations secure not cost more than keeping them all secure at the White House? How are they supposed to just close streets in NY like the areas around the WH?
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Post by PLurker on Nov 20, 2016 18:02:14 GMT
He is giving up his salary so maybe it will break even. That's why I said *maybe*. I don't know. I think it's ridiculous in the year 2016 that it's expected a spouse drop everything and pick out China, remove their child from school, and show up at dinners and look pretty. Isn't there some way they could decline the extra security, hire more of their own? I don't know. While I agree that as a citizen you should be able to make your own choices for your family, I also think it should have been discussed and settled within your family before you run for POTUS. And although it may not be regulated, I would hope that if you choose to run for political office, to serve, you would try not to burden those you serve further. They live in NYC on 5th Ave (?), isn't that the backbone of the city that inconvenience thousands and thousands of regular folks to not be inconvenienced themselves? I totally agree with the above bolded. If you're not into it you shouldn't have to do it. But the actual dual residence is a whole 'nuther ballgame. At least twice the cost(guessing), to us, the taxpayers.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 20, 2016 18:03:31 GMT
He is giving up his salary so maybe it will break even. That's why I said *maybe*. I don't know. I think it's ridiculous in the year 2016 that it's expected a spouse drop everything and pick out China, remove their child from school, and show up at dinners and look pretty. Isn't there some way they could decline the extra security, hire more of their own? I don't know. I don't think sitting presidents and family can decline secret service. If they did and their family were kidnapped, just imagine the fallout. Remember, we do not negotiate with terrorists. I am positive in that scenario that "rule" would be tossed immediately. I know that former presidents and family can decline continued secret service coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:04:05 GMT
Do you know how much complaining I've heard in my lifetime about the cost every time a President (I've heard most with current President) left the White House and/or took a vacation? A lot. All the excess cost of secret service etc. Now this will be a CONSTANT extra expense. I will be curious to see if the same people complain. This. A million times, this. I don't really give a rat's patoot where Melania lives or what she does. As long as Trump is paying for it. If he's not, that will go on the massive list of hypocrisy coming from Republicans and Trump voters and supporters, and especially some Republican peas who have bitched incessantly about for 8 years about Obama's every word or action; after already ignoring anything and everything that GWB did that was illegal or EXPENSIVE (setting up his TX ranch as a Presidential getaway, anyone?) I'm giving myself a strike-through on that one, since Bush wasn't the only Pres. to set up a RURAL Presidential getaway on his own property. For expensive, I'll now go with the Iraq War that he started under false pretenses. I would fully expect Trump and his bride not to give a shit about the hardships or inconveniences placed on others with this ridiculousness, but if they're not paying for it themselves, I and many others will not let it go without criticism and calls for accountability on their part. Personal Responsibility-it's not just a conservative catchphrase. SaveSave
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Post by krazykatlady on Nov 20, 2016 18:11:47 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 20, 2016 18:13:32 GMT
Has there ever been a President or First Lady that hasn't lived there? I read a great book by the ss agent assigned to Mrs. Kennedy. She didn't spend much time there.
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Post by brina on Nov 20, 2016 18:17:20 GMT
I think being first lady is an antiquated role. Imagine if Bill Clinton was the first gentleman. Picking out China, decorating the White House for Christmas. Welcome back to the 50's! It would not bother me at all if he or Melania chose not to live in the White House. Who wants to live in a bubble? He is giving up his salary so maybe it will break even. Meh, I don't care. It does not even come close to breaking even. The additional security costs borne by the secret service each time he chooses to go to NYC will be about half the president's annual salary. And that doesn't include the extra costs borne by the NYC Port Authority and NYPD. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:19:04 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. I can appreciate that viewpoint, even if I'm not totally in agreement. As long as Trump is paying for the costs of this, I'm fine with keeping an eye on things until the summer. Save
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 18:19:55 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. An awful lot of military families. He is going to be the Commander in Chief. Welcome to a little slice of what our families go through.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:21:05 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. An awful lot of military families. He is going to be the Commander in Chief. Welcome to a little slice of what our families go through. Very good point Save
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Post by johnnysmom on Nov 20, 2016 18:27:06 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. That is my thought as well. However, this is a very valid point
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 18:28:06 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. Even 5-6 months will cost millions of dollars. Republicans and conservatives bitched over the top back and forth when the Obamas were on vacation and took Air Force 1 (I believe it's a requirement for the travel of the president).
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Post by lucyg on Nov 20, 2016 18:40:31 GMT
Remember the batshit crazy when the Obamas had a date night in New York City? One brief trip.
But oh yeah. They were Democrats. Or black. Or something.
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basketdiva
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Post by basketdiva on Nov 20, 2016 18:58:20 GMT
FLOTUS has her own security detail 24/7-no matter where she is as will her son. I would hope that when school is out she and her son do stay in the White House.
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 20, 2016 19:08:27 GMT
Okay... didn't think I'd ever find a soapbox that was in anyway shape or form supporting a Trump so I give that to you. But... HAVE? She doesn't HAVE to do a damn thing! Just because her husband is president - a job, yes albeit a very important job. She has a brain. She has her own things. Her child has his own life. She was not elected. She does not need to have a staff just because she is first lady. I thought it was ridiculous that she gave a platform (like a beauty queen) when it seems fairly obvious she wants nothing to do with this shit show. I give big props to Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden who took on the cause of military families - honestly, Joining Forces was impressive work. But no way did I expect them to do it. Obviously they are both well accomplished on their own so it was a good fit for them. To expect the same from Mrs. Trump is just foolish and unfair to her. She does have rights as a human. She is more than just his wife. Damn those dirty feminist ideals making me defend this!
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 19:15:32 GMT
She doesn't HAVE to, but does she have any responsibility at all to the American people to not cost millions of extra tax dollars?
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 19:16:56 GMT
FLOTUS has her own security detail 24/7-no matter where she is as will her son. I would hope that when school is out she and her son do stay in the White House. Her own security detail is one thing, but securing Trump Towers is a whole other issue. Perhaps she could move to the DC hotel at least and keep the security issues local.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 20, 2016 19:18:11 GMT
I believe holding the office of the President is a personal sacrifice that all first families make. I think that choosing to live elsewhere is somewhat of an insult to the office and the people.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 20, 2016 19:19:05 GMT
The time that we had a top administrator at our school whose spouse and kids didn't make the move, the administrator never settled into the job, was constantly in transit to go back to visit the family, and pulled out of the job early.
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Post by happymomma on Nov 20, 2016 19:25:05 GMT
That's why I said *maybe*. I don't know. I think it's ridiculous in the year 2016 that it's expected a spouse drop everything and pick out China, remove their child from school, and show up at dinners and look pretty. Isn't there some way they could decline the extra security, hire more of their own? I don't know. I don't think sitting presidents and family can decline secret service. If they did and their family were kidnapped, just imagine the fallout. Remember, we do not negotiate with terrorists. I am positive in that scenario that "rule" would be tossed immediately. I know that former presidents and family can decline continued secret service coverage. But...we do now negotiate with terrorists. Obama tossed that rule.
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 20, 2016 19:28:42 GMT
She doesn't HAVE to, but does she have any responsibility at all to the American people to not cost millions of extra tax dollars? I don't know... does she. I do not believe there is a law. I don't know that many of us take a lot into account when we talk about "extra tax dollars." I think we are a bit oblivious about that. For example, thread on "why does my kid have to go to school?" and I'm sure there are others I just thought of that one immediately. And I probably should defend my stance. As a military spouse who has moved 12 times in 17 years and I am facing yet more moves to give up a career, uproot my children, again and again and again so as I can support the poor college kid I married prior to the military decision was made, **sigh** I didn't take lightly to "have" or "tax payer money" for that matter. When we start taking away the rights of spouses because "the right thing to do" argument it just makes me twitchy. Not saying it isn't valid, but I think there is probably a better way to say it.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 20, 2016 19:43:19 GMT
This reminds me how much grief the Obamas used to get for visiting their home in Chicago (they had two young children who had friends and relatives there). They pretty much stopped coming.
The block in the their neighborhood had to be closed down and there were scores of complaints from conservative media across the country about the inconvenience to the neighbors, the traffic problems, and the costs of security.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 19:44:43 GMT
Okay... didn't think I'd ever find a soapbox that was in anyway shape or form supporting a Trump so I give that to you. But... HAVE? She doesn't HAVE to do a damn thing! Just because her husband is president - a job, yes albeit a very important job. She has a brain. She has her own things. Her child has his own life. She was not elected. She does not need to have a staff just because she is first lady. I thought it was ridiculous that she gave a platform (like a beauty queen) when it seems fairly obvious she wants nothing to do with this shit show. I give big props to Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden who took on the cause of military families - honestly, Joining Forces was impressive work. But no way did I expect them to do it. Obviously they are both well accomplished on their own so it was a good fit for them. To expect the same from Mrs. Trump is just foolish and unfair to her. She does have rights as a human. She is more than just his wife. Damn those dirty feminist ideals making me defend this! I can totally agree with this as long as Trump is paying for the extra costs himself. I fully support Melania's wish to have her own life and distance herself from this shit show. I feel for her, but still feel that Trump should be paying for the costs of this. He put her in this position, and he needs to act with integrity wrt all this issues this brings up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 19:47:28 GMT
I don't think it would cost that much more, if any at all. They have to provide protection, no matter where she is. And the kids get their own protection too. I'd imagine one child is cheaper than the current president's two children. As much as people have complained about her being First Lady, you'd think this was a welcome announcement. It will cost more. Did you read the article Enna posted? They will be at Trump tower 24/7 and also vetting and searching DAILY the homes and businesses in Trump tower. People come in and out of that building a hundred times a day. It will cost much, much more with more manpower needed and the logistical nightmare it's going to cause. Not only that but it will cost the businesses that are operating from there a fortune in possible loss of business. Lets face it, not many of their clients are going to put up with that much inconvenience....they're likely to find another company at a different location to deal with.
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 19:55:35 GMT
She doesn't HAVE to, but does she have any responsibility at all to the American people to not cost millions of extra tax dollars? I don't know... does she. I do not believe there is a law. I don't know that many of us take a lot into account when we talk about "extra tax dollars." I think we are a bit oblivious about that. For example, thread on "why does my kid have to go to school?" and I'm sure there are others I just thought of that one immediately. And I probably should defend my stance. As a military spouse who has moved 12 times in 17 years and I am facing yet more moves to give up a career, uproot my children, again and again and again so as I can support the poor college kid I married prior to the military decision was made, **sigh** I didn't take lightly to "have" or "tax payer money" for that matter. When we start taking away the rights of spouses because "the right thing to do" argument it just makes me twitchy. Not saying it isn't valid, but I think there is probably a better way to say it. All very true. But the time for her to oppose being FLOTUS was before he threw his "make America great again" hat in the ring so to speak. In standing by his side at rallies, giving speeches, and stating a platform she would support before the election, she's put herself in an awful spot. Diplomats spouses and families are also moved and face a lot of "have to's". It's government "service". I imagine a whole lot of it sucks and she's terrified, but it really speaks to me that they didn't take the election seriously and think about what would happen if they actually won. The presidents' spouses and kids have been sacrificing for decades across parties, she can put on her big girl panties and do it too.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 20:11:59 GMT
He is giving up his salary so maybe it will break even. That's why I said *maybe*. I don't know. I think it's ridiculous in the year 2016 that it's expected a spouse drop everything and pick out China, remove their child from school, and show up at dinners and look pretty. Isn't there some way they could decline the extra security, hire more of their own? I don't know. In no way does your description accurately detail what Michelle Obama did as FLOTUS. Also, I think I read that he has to take a salary. He's not doing this out of the goodness of his heart (if he has one).
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 20:14:20 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. I read that she may never move to Washington. It's tbd.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Nov 20, 2016 20:18:37 GMT
Ok. I can't stand Trump and am dismayed that he's our president. But the article only says the plan is for Mrs Trump and Barron to stay through the end of the school year. Yes it will cost us, the tax payers, but if it's only for 5-6 months I'm ok with it. How many of us would want to uproot our child mid-year, especially considering how turned upside down the child's life is already? . Now come May/June when school is out they need to pack up and move to D.C. If not, that's when this tax payer will be irritated. Children of military parents move often mid year. So do children of president elects. Remember, the Obamas had two daughters in school in Chicago when he was elected and they made it work. again, shows that Trump thinks only about himself.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 20:19:58 GMT
Remember the batshit crazy when the Obamas had a date night in New York City? One brief trip. But oh yeah. They were Democrats. Or black. Or something. OMG you would have thought it to be the start of Armageddon!!! Do you notice that those who have "left" here that were conservatives were the most vocal against liberals and the loudest about this kind of stuff? Makes me think that they left in part because they knew that this would be happening with Trump from the get go!
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