Just T
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Post by Just T on Aug 11, 2014 16:13:59 GMT
I haven't seen this posted here, so I'm sorry if it has been and I missed it. This happened in a community not far from me. Actually, it's kind of my old "stomping ground" from high school, and I do still know a few people who live in the area. The whole thing is just beyond devastating.
police shooting a subsequent riots/looting
I don't get the "mentality" of those involved who turn a tragedy into a reason to break into stores and steal things, terrorize the workers, and set fires, etc. The videos I have seen of this are awful...people gleefully running out of stores with arm loads of stuff.
How does this help anything or make an already tragic situation any better? In my mind, all it does is incite the police to be even more likely to overreact. All it does is create situations where even more people will be hurt or possibly killed. ETA: I also think that it just reinforces so many stereotypes.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 11, 2014 16:35:05 GMT
i watched last night....strange phenomenon
and i was surprised to see so many people carting out toliet paper...i mean...really?
the whole thing is sad.
gina
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Post by alibama on Aug 11, 2014 16:38:05 GMT
Wow I don't get it either  |
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Post by papersilly on Aug 11, 2014 17:12:51 GMT
I don't understand it either but there are opportunists everywhere who use any reason to do what they do. it's so senseless and it muddies the issue at hand. rather than focus on the death of the young man, needless focus has been shifted to the idiots who decided to loot for no reason other than their greed.
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Post by chances on Aug 11, 2014 17:22:25 GMT
I have a close friend who lives in this area and she called me immediately when it happened. I watched the coverage progress throughout the day and finally settle on the looting narrative. It is beyond disgusting that media outlets have chosen to focus on the crimes of a few rather than actually investigating the tragic situation at hand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 17:54:46 GMT
Vancouver has had a couple of riots. For perfectly acceptable reasons. a) A Guns n Roses concert was cancelled and people were angry so they damaged a building. b) the Vancouver Canucks lost the Stanley Cup and that was just horrific. I understand it was sad for Vancouver and hockey fans in Canada but really? A riot? They did manage to charge a lot of people who were responsible for the damage. It is just so senseless. I don't know why people act this way.  |
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BarbaraUK
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 11, 2014 17:55:41 GMT
I feel so sorry for this community, such a dreadful thing to happen. Looting during or after a disaster or riot seems to happen worldwide - I have never been able to understand the mentality of the people who start it, or the followers. It makes a tragic, distressing situation even worse!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 17:58:44 GMT
I don't get it, either. How is stealing from people in your community making the situation better? It's taking the focus from where it needs to be - the investigation in the young man's death.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Aug 11, 2014 18:03:56 GMT
It's a bunch of trashy people that really don't care about the situation, they're just taking advantage of a tragedy to get free stuff.
Trash.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2014 18:04:55 GMT
I'm another one that doesn't understand it and is unhappy when it happens |
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Post by melanell on Aug 11, 2014 18:13:10 GMT
It's not something I understand. Once rioting begins, I often think that looters are simply opportunists. But I don't understand the reasoning behind many of these riots, particularly in the cases of a sports team losing or a concert being cancelled. I understand that in some cases the rioters are trying to be heard. They want people to pay attention to whatever injustice they feel has occurred or whatever situation is angering them. I think sometimes they hope that a change will be made in order to convince them to stop rioting. But I would love to see some numbers to back up whether or not those type of riots are typically helpful in the long run. My guess would be that they are not, and lives and property are ruined or lost for no real gain. |
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Post by dynalady on Aug 11, 2014 18:21:54 GMT
Because looting burning your own neighborhood does so much to help solve whatever the problem of the moment is. I've never understood it and never will.
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Post by inkedup on Aug 11, 2014 18:27:09 GMT
Unfortunately, many people use tragedies for their own personal gain. Looting and rioting is no different.
This behavior is deplorable and a total insult to the man who lost his life. Stealing toilet paper, damaging property and acting like uncivilized idiots is not the way to protest against police brutality. These are ignorant, cowardly acts of aggression toward innocent people - much like the brutality the rioters and looters are supposedly protesting. It demeans the cause these people claim to support. It's disgusting.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Aug 11, 2014 18:34:03 GMT
I don't get it either. After Katrina, the national guard stood guard at the roads into the worst hit areas in my hometown, partially to keep looters out. I appreciate that they did that - every item we found on my grandmother's property was precious - but I think it is pitiful that it was necessary.
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Post by eebud on Aug 11, 2014 18:34:20 GMT
It's a bunch of trashy people that really don't care about the situation, they're just taking advantage of a tragedy to get free stuff. Trash. That's my opinion too. |
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 11, 2014 18:35:22 GMT
and then 'deindividualization' sets in - mob mentality sets in -
we need a 'paradigm shift'!
gina
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Post by kimpossible on Aug 11, 2014 18:45:51 GMT
I remember watching this way back after the Rodney King incident in LA and am amazed every time we see it since then.
The people that are in their neighborhood running a business to keep tax dollars flowing into the community are truly victims here.
Its very sad.
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Post by chances on Aug 11, 2014 19:06:06 GMT
I'm going to disagree that the so called looters are taking attention from the real events. News media and individuals CHOOSE to focus on what they want to. By focusing so intently on looting, people choose to shift the discussion from the brutal acts of aggression against this kid. It provides a nice to distraction to those who don't want to have harder conversations about police brutality. Instead we can just wring our hands and fret about why THOSE people do that to THEIR community.
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Post by chances on Aug 11, 2014 19:12:33 GMT
That said, there are a multitude of reasons why people enagage in this type of activity. This and any community is not monolitlitic. Some are opportunists, some get caught up in a crowd mentality. However, there are also well established sociological reasons that explain and predict why these things occur around police violence in minority communities. When the same violence occurs and is condoned again and again, it is clear there is no institutional remedy. A complex system is the problem. But you can't vent your frustration against a system, only people. And usually people in close proximity.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 11, 2014 19:12:52 GMT
we might want to wait until the investigation is over before we start in with police brutality
gina
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 11, 2014 19:56:51 GMT
I haven't seen this posted here, so I'm sorry if it has been and I missed it. This happened in a community not far from me. Actually, it's kind of my old "stomping ground" from high school, and I do still know a few people who live in the area. The whole thing is just beyond devastating.
police shooting a subsequent riots/looting
I don't get the "mentality" of those involved who turn a tragedy into a reason to break into stores and steal things, terrorize the workers, and set fires, etc. The videos I have seen of this are awful...people gleefully running out of stores with arm loads of stuff.
How does this help anything or make an already tragic situation any better? In my mind, all it does is incite the police to be even more likely to overreact. All it does is create situations where even more people will be hurt or possibly killed. ETA: I also think that it just reinforces so many stereotypes.
I just don't get it. I don't get it either.. this is also near where I used to live years ago... (sorta near.. I was in the Ballwin area).. I don't understand it at all. Doesn't that make the community look even worse? It's so strange... |
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Post by salem on Aug 11, 2014 20:24:55 GMT
There are some real scumbags in this world that take any opportunity to be destructive thieving pigs. It's disgusting.
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 11, 2014 20:28:13 GMT
I haven't seen this posted here, so I'm sorry if it has been and I missed it. This happened in a community not far from me. Actually, it's kind of my old "stomping ground" from high school, and I do still know a few people who live in the area. The whole thing is just beyond devastating.
police shooting a subsequent riots/looting
I don't get the "mentality" of those involved who turn a tragedy into a reason to break into stores and steal things, terrorize the workers, and set fires, etc. The videos I have seen of this are awful...people gleefully running out of stores with arm loads of stuff.
How does this help anything or make an already tragic situation any better? In my mind, all it does is incite the police to be even more likely to overreact. All it does is create situations where even more people will be hurt or possibly killed. ETA: I also think that it just reinforces so many stereotypes.
I just don't get it. I saw this story earlier today, and you expressed my thoughts exactly. I honestly don't understand it, either. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 11, 2014 20:28:57 GMT
I don't understand it either. In the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy many shore communities had to deal with looting. When people are vulnerable and down and out the underbelly of society emerges. Scum.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 12, 2014 18:56:05 GMT
Looting and flipping over cars boggles my mind. Use your energy and power for good and make positive change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 20:04:04 GMT
It's just an excuse for the horrible people to outwardly be the horrible people that they are. Justification.
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Post by marmargirl on Aug 12, 2014 20:16:00 GMT
I remember watching this way back after the Rodney King incident in LA and am amazed every time we see it since then. The people that are in their neighborhood running a business to keep tax dollars flowing into the community are truly victims here. Its very sad. This is exactly how I feel. |
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Post by Prenticekid on Aug 12, 2014 20:41:32 GMT
A riot is the language of the unheard. (Martin Luther King) and that is why many don't understand it. Sure, you have people who may be in it for the rush (because it surely is not about armfuls of toilet paper), but bottom line, riots happen when people are used up, frustrated and scared. Let cops come into your neighborhoods and shoot up your sons, and I'm thinking you'll understand rioting.
It isn't the rioting that makes cops overreact - it is the silence and the acquiescence. Cops kill black boys and men because we let them do it. We basically have forced communities to take a stand even if it comes down to rioting.
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Kath
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Post by Kath on Aug 12, 2014 21:17:18 GMT
Not touching this with a 10-foot pole.
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Post by yoursweetwhimsy on Aug 12, 2014 21:33:29 GMT
A riot is the language of the unheard. (Martin Luther King) and that is why many don't understand it. Sure, you have people who may be in it for the rush (because it surely is not about armfuls of toilet paper), but bottom line, riots happen when people are used up, frustrated and scared. Let cops come into your neighborhoods and shoot up your sons, and I'm thinking you'll understand rioting. It isn't the rioting that makes cops overreact - it is the silence and the acquiescence. Cops kill black boys and men because we let them do it. We basically have forced communities to take a stand even if it comes down to rioting. They ripped apart their own town! The stores that provide the sales taxes for their schools and community. I do not believe it had anything to do with frustration and being scared, it was completely about greed and thuggery. Stealing Michael Jordan sneakers is not doing anything positive and just reinforcing a negative stereotype. Where is the outrage when they kill each other? Where is the outrage when their sons kill other people? I am a little bit more sensitive about this perhaps because I live in St. Louis and have seen this damage firsthand. That said, there are some amazing groups of young men and women stepping up against this, asking for a fair investigation and helping to clean up the mess. They are the examples for the rest of the community. |
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