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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 15:01:06 GMT
Thought we should have a new thread, and maybe one for each state that is being paid to recount. This is WI recount. And here is some info to ponder as we go into it: "Over the past week, various observers have caught onto numerical impossibilities in the vote totals being reported by various Wisconsin precincts in the 2016 presidential election, all of them suspiciously in Donald Trump’s favor. Accordingly, various precincts have since voluntarily revised their vote totals for Trump downward, to the point that he’s now credited with five thousand fewer votes than he supposedly originally had. With a statewide recount about to get underway, officials in Wisconsin are scrambling to explain away the mounting evidence of precinct-level rigging on Trump’s behalf. The latest excuse: a “modem error.” When online observers first noticed that precincts in the same Wisconsin county were each reporting more votes for president than total votes, a local official tried to explain it away (source: ABC News affiliate) by blaming it on human arithmetic error." I don't think this will change Trump's EC victory in the end. But I'll be damned if following the law and legally questioning abnormalities is a "scam" as Trump alleges in a recent tweet. Strange that the man who couldn't commit to accepting the outcome w/o considering all his options (and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he meant only his LEGAL options), is now ridiculing the opposition for doing the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 15:03:51 GMT
In related news (but didn't want to start another thread), things that make me hopeful:
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Post by hop2 on Nov 27, 2016 15:05:09 GMT
Honestly if I have to listen to him for 4 whole years I prefer to be damned sure this IS what my fellows citizens voted for.
Just sayin
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Post by scrapsotime on Nov 27, 2016 15:13:42 GMT
Modem error? What?
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Post by peasapie on Nov 27, 2016 15:15:52 GMT
Honestly if I have to listen to him for 4 whole years I prefer to be damned sure this IS what my fellows citizens voted for. Just sayin This is exactly how I feel. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 17:12:55 GMT
I think that many of the machines are not connected to the internet, and they have to be modem'ed up to upload the ballot counts. Seems stupid in this day and age, but probably makes them less likely to be hacked. On the other hand, the professor who worries about hacking says the machines are still really hackable because the ballot information has to be loaded into the machines by a card and that that card can get hacked. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 17:28:27 GMT
The hinky happenings are very discouraging. At the same time, it's not surprising that a big aura of hinky follows Trump around and a massive cloud of stink hovers in his wake.  I don't think this will change Trump's EC victory in the end. But I'll be damned if following the law and legally questioning abnormalities is a "scam" as Trump alleges in a recent tweet. Strange that the man who couldn't commit to accepting the outcome w/o considering all his options (and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he meant only his LEGAL options), is now ridiculing the opposition for doing the same.I couldn't agree more. If we can't trust that the voting and election process will remain honest, then what the hell is the point? |
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 27, 2016 18:45:26 GMT
Holy crap! If any of that turns out to be true what are the implications for other states? Could this have happened there? Should all of the states do recounts?
I am glad they are doing the recount. Even if it still shows that Trump won, at least we will have accurate totals and know for sure so we can put the whole thing to rest. And yes, I would say the same thing if it were Trump asking for a recount.
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Post by micheley on Nov 27, 2016 18:53:58 GMT
Prior to this election, I emphatically believed our elections were rig/tamper/hack proof (I know I know very naive). Now? No clue. I don't care if DT remains the winner, I really really believe widespread recounts and audits are necessary. Let's figure out the flaws in our system and how to prevent them from happening.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 27, 2016 20:48:31 GMT
Holy crap! If any of that turns out to be true what are the implications for other states? Could this have happened there? Should all of the states do recounts? I am glad they are doing the recount. Even if it still shows that Trump won, at least we will have accurate totals and know for sure so we can put the whole thing to rest. And yes, I would say the same thing if it were Trump asking for a recount. NC is still recounting the race for Gov. At the GOP's request. I guess it isn't a scam here. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 27, 2016 21:07:42 GMT
The machines NJ uses are all electronic BUT not connected in anyway. To tamper with results s here you'd have to tamper each individual machine. Not impossible but highly improbable since they are all sealed separately. NJ refuses to go to networked machines because that would enable the ease of hacking or widespread tampering.
Every state has different machines so every state has a different susceptibility.
Our town just got done Wednesday counting and verifying one of three school board election seats. Hotly contended apparently.
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Post by PLurker on Nov 28, 2016 4:25:19 GMT
In related news (but didn't want to start another thread), things that make me hopeful: That man just made my heart swell. Good for him. |
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 28, 2016 5:36:26 GMT
Holy crap! If any of that turns out to be true what are the implications for other states? Could this have happened there? Should all of the states do recounts? I am glad they are doing the recount. Even if it still shows that Trump won, at least we will have accurate totals and know for sure so we can put the whole thing to rest. And yes, I would say the same thing if it were Trump asking for a recount. Because each state operates so differently, there is no need for them all to jump to recounts. I'm not even sure that CA has finished the first count. I know last time I checked my Congressional district results weren't official (even though the incumbent was declaring himself the winner and sent out a mailer this week looking for funding to stop the challenger from trying to steal the election from him). I also don't think, even if these three states are reversed and their EC votes go to Clinton, that it changes the outcome of the election. What is important is to answer the questions around these anomalies and numeric impossibilities and ensure the integrity of the voting process. SaveSave |
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 28, 2016 5:38:07 GMT
In related news (but didn't want to start another thread), things that make me hopeful: Thanks for sharing.  SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 3:59:30 GMT
Regressing the vote:"This research is an initial step in understanding the role of the voting machines in Wisconsin’s general election. One possibility is that a hack truly has occurred, but more research is needed before anyone can reach such a conclusion. And, importantly, even if the patterns of data were caused by a hack, the source of the hack remains unknown (it could be foreign, but it could also be internal to the US, independent of foreign influence.) As such, we encourage the people of Wisconsin as well as other Americans to examine the results of the election not only in the statistical manner we have done, but also by inspecting the machines, interviewing elections officials, and requesting a formal investigation (independent of the recount). Such a process of engagement with the results can only strengthen the security of America’s voting system."
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