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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 15:49:46 GMT
Article"Cuba has long had a nearly identical life expectancy to the United States, despite widespread poverty. All of this despite Cuba spending just $813 per person annually on health care compared with America’s $9,403. The difference comes back to the basic fact that in Cuba, health care is protected under the constitution as a fundamental human right. The U.S. protects unlimited firearms and freedom from quartering soldiers but does not guarantee health care. Instead we compromise, taking inefficient and expensive half-measures to rescue people in serious peril. It’s largely done through an innovative approach to primary care. Family doctors work in clinics and care for everyone in the surrounding neighborhood. The system requires around twice as many primary-care doctors per capita as we have in the U.S. While Cuba’s situation is far from ideal, it serves as an elegant counterpoint to the three-trillion-dollar U.S. health-care system—which is controlled by corporations (privatized insurance, pharmaceutical, medical-device, and hospital systems) that drive people to pay exorbitant costs (either directly or through taxes). Cuba offers a dire reminder that efficient health care can be provided at much less cost to the people—when the focus is on primary care and prevention."
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Post by annabella on Nov 29, 2016 16:03:06 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 29, 2016 16:04:16 GMT
efficient health care can be provided at much less cost to the people—when the focus is on primary care and prevention." ^^^ in my opinion, this would be the key, for sure. In this country, prevention isn't emphasized, at all... just get sick, and we'll throw care / Rx medications at it then. Not keeping people healthy to begin with. (which also can be a whole 'nother issue in itself, considering that so many diseases and health conditions are related to obesity-- which leads to diet, nutrition education, lack of skills to cook healthy food, the issue of food deserts, people's socio-economic status, etc. etc.)
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Post by annabella on Nov 29, 2016 16:17:22 GMT
in my opinion, this would be the key, for sure. In this country, prevention isn't emphasized, at all... just get sick, and we'll throw care / Rx medications at it then. Not keeping people healthy to begin with. (which also can be a whole 'nother issue in itself, considering that so many diseases and health conditions are related to obesity-- which leads to diet, nutrition education, lack of skills to cook healthy food, the issue of food deserts, people's socio-economic status, etc. etc.) Yes I agree. I think doctors would rather prescribe a pill than reasonably expect someone will change their diet to fix their health problems.
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Post by peabay on Nov 29, 2016 17:06:06 GMT
I guess they aren't counting the people who were murdered under the Castro regime.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 29, 2016 20:00:43 GMT
Well, after communicating with a parent in Cuba with a child ho has the same condition as my daughter, no way. All that child gets for treatment is an outdated drug treatment and the child can't walk. If he had the modern expensive Biologic drugs, chances are he'd be much better. Instead he has stunted growth from heavy doses of steroids.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 29, 2016 20:06:52 GMT
But, pridemom, it's FREE. Isn't that the only thing that matters???
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 29, 2016 20:10:25 GMT
The fact that it's free isn't the only thing the article talked about, you know. (if you even looked at it)
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Post by pridemom on Nov 29, 2016 20:10:41 GMT
But, pridemom, it's FREE. Isn't that the only thing that matters??? If we were to go to a socialized medicine model, I like the kind of systems that allow for a level that's provided at no cost, and a level where you can buy insurance to cover things that do come with a cost. I will say that it's ridiculous that retail in the US on my daughter's RX is $4000, but in Canada it is a fraction of the cost. US citizens and their insurance companies subsidize the cost of drugs in countries that have price caps.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 29, 2016 20:11:43 GMT
I know. I think it's absurd that we let the drug companies in this country get away with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 20:59:01 GMT
But, pridemom, it's FREE. Isn't that the only thing that matters??? If we were to go to a socialized medicine model, I like the kind of systems that allow for a level that's provided at no cost, and a level where you can buy insurance to cover things that do come with a cost. I will say that it's ridiculous that retail in the US on my daughter's RX is $4000, but in Canada it is a fraction of the cost. US citizens and their insurance companies subsidize the cost of drugs in countries that have price caps. No drugs are not subsidized in other countries, it's called greed brought on by the lack of competition allowed by the pharma corporations.They have the monopoly on their products so they can charge you whatever they like and they do so. Take the Epi-pen that actually costs as little as a $1 to produce and yet it's gone up by 500% since Mylan took over the company.The pen has been in existance for 9 or 10 years. It's cheaper in other countries because there is a viable competitor producing the same drug. We have the Danish manufactured Jext pen her in the UK in competition to the Epi -pen. It's used for exactly the same thing as an epi-pen but yet your FDA won't allow it's import to the US. Same with a would be generic product by Teva Pharma that is waiting for a license which the FDA has postponed until 2017. Your pharm corporations are bleeding you all dry to up their profits. And Cuba's health service is far from " free" no more than ours is. We pay for it through the taxes that we pay and so does Cuba.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 29, 2016 21:02:04 GMT
If we were to go to a socialized medicine model, I like the kind of systems that allow for a level that's provided at no cost, and a level where you can buy insurance to cover things that do come with a cost. I will say that it's ridiculous that retail in the US on my daughter's RX is $4000, but in Canada it is a fraction of the cost. US citizens and their insurance companies subsidize the cost of drugs in countries that have price caps. No drugs are not subsidized in other countries, it's called greed brought on by the lack of competition allowed by the pharma corporations.They have the monopoly on their products so they can charge you whatever they like and they do so. Take the Epi-pen that actually costs as little as a $1 to produce and yet it's gone up by 500% since Mylan took over the company.The pen has been in existance for 9 or 10 years. It's cheaper in other countries because there is a viable competitor producing the same drug. We have the Danish manufactured Jext pen her in the UK in competition to the Epi -pen. It's used for exactly the same thing as an epi-pen but yet your FDA won't allow it's import to the US. Same with a would be generic product by Teva Pharma that is waiting for a license which the FDA has postponed until 2017. Your pharm corporations are bleeding you all dry to up their profits. And Cuba's health service is far from " free" no more than ours is. We pay for it through the taxes that we pay and so does Cuba. US citizens pay higher prices for the drugs than what's allowed in most countries. That's what I mean by US citizens subsidize the cost of drugs for those countries. We pay sometimes four times the cost for the same drug. The drug company makes their lost money up by charging us more because they can.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 21:13:42 GMT
No drugs are not subsidized in other countries, it's called greed brought on by the lack of competition allowed by the pharma corporations.They have the monopoly on their products so they can charge you whatever they like and they do so. Take the Epi-pen that actually costs as little as a $1 to produce and yet it's gone up by 500% since Mylan took over the company.The pen has been in existance for 9 or 10 years. It's cheaper in other countries because there is a viable competitor producing the same drug. We have the Danish manufactured Jext pen her in the UK in competition to the Epi -pen. It's used for exactly the same thing as an epi-pen but yet your FDA won't allow it's import to the US. Same with a would be generic product by Teva Pharma that is waiting for a license which the FDA has postponed until 2017. Your pharm corporations are bleeding you all dry to up their profits. And Cuba's health service is far from " free" no more than ours is. We pay for it through the taxes that we pay and so does Cuba. US citizens pay higher prices for the drugs than what's allowed in most countries. That's what I mean by US citizens subsidize the cost of drugs for those countries. We pay sometimes four times the cost for the same drug. The drug company makes their lost money up by charging us more because they can. But because they charge you a lot more doesn't mean that they are subsidizing the cost to other countries.They charge you a lot more to up their profit..... greed! They sell to other countries for what the drug is actually worth.They can't sell if for more because they know that other countries wouldn't buy it because they have an alternative they could use. They're not selling it at a loss to us and expecting you to make up the difference for the cost of the drug, that is subsidizing, but that isn't what they're doing. They have carte blanche to charge you whatever they want because there's no competition to stop them doing so. They have the monopoly.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 29, 2016 22:03:22 GMT
US citizens pay higher prices for the drugs than what's allowed in most countries. That's what I mean by US citizens subsidize the cost of drugs for those countries. We pay sometimes four times the cost for the same drug. The drug company makes their lost money up by charging us more because they can. But because they charge you a lot more doesn't mean that they are subsidizing the cost to other countries.They charge you a lot more to up their profit..... greed! They sell to other countries for what the drug is actually worth.They can't sell if for more because they know that other countries wouldn't buy it because they have an alternative they could use. They're not selling it at a loss to us and expecting you to make up the difference for the cost of the drug, that is subsidizing, but that isn't what they're doing. They have carte blanche to charge you whatever they want because there's no competition to stop them doing so. They have the monopoly. US laws have made it easy for drug manufacturers to price their products as high as they like. Because countries with national healthcare systems can negotiate prices on behalf of an entire nation, they have bargaining power. In the US, it's done by insurance companies and pharmacy benefits managers. I found this www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/health/us-pays-more-for-drugs/
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Nov 29, 2016 22:49:03 GMT
I think doctors would rather prescribe a pill than reasonably expect someone will change their diet to fix their health problems. I can say that this is not the case for the majority of docs I have worked for. Most of them would love for their patients to change their habits and work on ways to fix their health problems without the help of medications, however, patients in general do not want to take those steps. They want the magic pill/oil that will do the work for them instead of doing it themselves. It is rare to have a patient come in that is willing to cut out whatever the doc says, do the exercises prescribed, take the preventative steps necessary etc. Im guilty of it myself at times.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 29, 2016 23:22:51 GMT
I think doctors would rather prescribe a pill than reasonably expect someone will change their diet to fix their health problems. I can say that this is not the case for the majority of docs I have worked for. Most of them would love for their patients to change their habits and work on ways to fix their health problems without the help of medications, however, patients in general do not want to take those steps. They want the magic pill/oil that will do the work for them instead of doing it themselves. It is rare to have a patient come in that is willing to cut out whatever the doc says, do the exercises prescribed, take the preventative steps necessary etc. Im guilty of it myself at times. ^^^ true. my boyfriend has high cholesterol and high BP, and has told his doctor that he won't do the things suggested to improve these things- that he just wants the Rxs without being talked to about lifestyle changes. And the doctor has to write him the Rx.
(it irritates the heck out of me, but I can't 'make' him be healthier if he doesn't want to- KWIM?)
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Post by peasapie on Nov 29, 2016 23:26:44 GMT
I think our new president is going to fix all this. Just you wait and see.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 30, 2016 0:18:36 GMT
I can say that this is not the case for the majority of docs I have worked for. Most of them would love for their patients to change their habits and work on ways to fix their health problems without the help of medications, however, patients in general do not want to take those steps. They want the magic pill/oil that will do the work for them instead of doing it themselves. It is rare to have a patient come in that is willing to cut out whatever the doc says, do the exercises prescribed, take the preventative steps necessary etc. Im guilty of it myself at times. ^^^ true. my boyfriend has high cholesterol and high BP, and has told his doctor that he won't do the things suggested to improve these things- that he just wants the Rxs without being talked to about lifestyle changes. And the doctor has to write him the Rx.
(it irritates the heck out of me, but I can't 'make' him be healthier if he doesn't want to- KWIM?)
Is your bf and my dh brothers because my dh is the exact same way Drives me nuts!
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 30, 2016 0:21:54 GMT
I think our new president is going to fix all this. Just you wait and see. Donald Trump could solve world hunger, provide the entire country with free health care and bring about world piece and people would still bitch and complain about what he does.
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Post by kellybelly77 on Nov 30, 2016 0:29:20 GMT
I went to a conference last year and they had info from the CDC that said that in the US, 3/4's of all health care dollars spent are spent on: obesity (and all it's comorbidities), stress, smoking and lack of exercise.
Figuring those things out would help with health care costs tremendously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 1:00:01 GMT
I guess they aren't counting the people who were murdered under the Castro regime. Sadly, they are though. Life expectancy is an average across all people.
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Post by Rainbow on Nov 30, 2016 1:22:18 GMT
I think our new president is going to fix all this. Just you wait and see. Donald Trump could solve world hunger, provide the entire country with free health care and bring about world piece and people would still bitch and complain about what he does.
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Post by brina on Nov 30, 2016 1:29:59 GMT
Well, after communicating with a parent in Cuba with a child ho has the same condition as my daughter, no way. All that child gets for treatment is an outdated drug treatment and the child can't walk. If he had the modern expensive Biologic drugs, chances are he'd be much better. Instead he has stunted growth from heavy doses of steroids. But ideally you want a combination. A system that stresses preventive healthcare and therefore has fewer people dealing with lifestyle illnesses like type II diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity but also provides access to newer and more effective medications for those chronic or genetic conditions. I have been trying for years to get my dh to eat better and exercise more. It took a diabetes diagnoses and drug resisted infection in his foot to get him to finally start listening. SaveSave
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Post by peasapie on Nov 30, 2016 2:56:57 GMT
I think our new president is going to fix all this. Just you wait and see. Donald Trump could solve world hunger, provide the entire country with free health care and bring about world piece and people would still bitch and complain about what he does. Lighten up! SaveSave
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 30, 2016 5:20:44 GMT
Oh sweetie, I am light. I find it quite amusing to watch people throw themselves over every word that comes out of Trump's mouth.
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