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Post by Zee on Aug 12, 2014 20:55:18 GMT
I would not judge someone if poor choices led to needing a transplant...much, anyway...but if they continued to abuse the new organ, I'd be pretty judgmental. Not to the point of caring whether they wore helmets, though.
And I am not at all interested in donating money for medical needs only to have that person go to Disney World. That's bold as fuck. Someone on my fb that I knew from high school did that, asked for money and meals and babysitting and help with housework etc etc after she had a hospital stay...next thing you know she's posting pics of them all on the beach in Florida and at Disney. That really didn't sit well with me. Nor would I really want to attend a fundraiser for something that could be a decade away. I'd be very generous for urgent needs and I don't like to feel used. Leaves a sour taste.
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Post by *Scrapper*Stamper* on Aug 12, 2014 23:35:30 GMT
You are supposed to be smoke and alcohol free before they put you on a transplant list for 18 months (from a friend that had a kidney and pancreas transplant - ended up with hepatitis which killed him, but that's another story) so yes, I would be upset if someone were abusing their body after a transplant when the transplanted organs could have gone to someone who actually gave a shit about their health.
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Post by scrapsuzy on Aug 13, 2014 5:18:53 GMT
I really appreciate all the responses!
The fundraising thing seems to be a hot topic (and I knew that from previous threads on the Peaboards... I do remember the whole Libis thing), and is something that I'd already decided about before I ever posted (as you can probably tell from my OP.) I won't be doing it. I don't think I need to, or will need to, based on the insurance I have now and expect to have then. If something is different when the time comes, I will re-examine whether I am going to or not. But for now, I just can't see doing it. And I will be doing things like vacations etc, in the meantime. I'd rather focus on living now, while preparing for the future. I could never in good conscious ask others for money and then turn around and go on an expensive vacation (not even if it wasn't the same money). And that's one of the reasons it felt so weird to me when they said "start fundraising now."
As for the judging lifestyle choices: I don't drink (anymore, and was a less than 2 drinks a month before) or have never smoked or done street drugs. The type of liver disease that I have (non-alcoholic steato hepatitis/NASH) is something that about 10% of people with fatty liver get. Fatty liver is usually caused from being overweight. I was diagnosed in the late-90's with fatty liver, and told that losing weight would help, but was never told the potential consequences of fatty liver, and certainly not about liver disease! My bloodwork eventually was all normal again, and I am currently only 15 pounds over the high-end of my ideal body weight (per the charts), or 8 pounds over for my BMI to be in the normal range, down from a high that was just 22 pounds more than what I am now. Many people with NASH are not diagnosed until they are in liver failure. I was fortunate that when I had my gallbladder out almost 2 years ago, they saw how bad my liver looked and did a biopsy, and I was diagnosed then.
If you know anything about liver disease/liver transplants, my current MELD score is a 7, which is really, really good. It can change quickly, but could also stay the same for years. Even though I have some cirrhosis already, my bloodwork is better than you would expect.
My biggest health concern (besides the liver disease) is being a Type 2 diabetic. There are contributing health-factors that make it harder to keep my blood sugar normal, but also willpower issues. And I already get lots of judgment from others anytime I eat a cookie, etc, so worrying about being judged is a real possibility for me.
Again, I really appreciate all the responses! I'm not a big fan of over-sharing on the Internet, but weighed that against needing to hear from y'all and decided to go for it.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 13, 2014 6:21:06 GMT
Again, I really appreciate all the responses! I'm not a big fan of over-sharing on the Internet, but weighed that against needing to hear from y'all and decided to go for it. Good luck to you. As I mentioned, the early diagnoses is a BIG plus. As for the over-sharing on the Internet, I couldn't agree with you more. I almost did not answer you because of that. But figured if there was anything I could help you with juggling all the mess in your head, I should. Enjoy yourself until then. You have (hopefully) a l o n g time to figure things out. Easier said, but relax, take it all in, and figure it out as you go.
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Post by inkedup on Aug 13, 2014 6:30:19 GMT
My biggest health concern (besides the liver disease) is being a Type 2 diabetic. There are contributing health-factors that make it harder to keep my blood sugar normal, but also willpower issues. And I already get lots of judgment from others anytime I eat a cookie, etc, so worrying about being judged is a real possibility for me. Again, I really appreciate all the responses! I'm not a big fan of over-sharing on the Internet, but weighed that against needing to hear from y'all and decided to go for it. I'm glad you shared, and I'm glad you received valuable advice. I love your attitude and hope your health remains steady and your attitude upbeat.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 13, 2014 6:56:49 GMT
You seem like a balanced, considerate, thoughtful person- from your OP and update. I wish you many years of good health, with or without the surgery. And a few cookies and vacations.
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Post by tania7424 on Aug 13, 2014 7:23:06 GMT
I really appreciate all the responses! The fundraising thing seems to be a hot topic (and I knew that from previous threads on the Peaboards... I do remember the whole Libis thing), and is something that I'd already decided about before I ever posted (as you can probably tell from my OP.) I won't be doing it. I don't think I need to, or will need to, based on the insurance I have now and expect to have then. If something is different when the time comes, I will re-examine whether I am going to or not. But for now, I just can't see doing it. And I will be doing things like vacations etc, in the meantime. I'd rather focus on living now, while preparing for the future. I could never in good conscious ask others for money and then turn around and go on an expensive vacation (not even if it wasn't the same money). And that's one of the reasons it felt so weird to me when they said "start fundraising now." As for the judging lifestyle choices: I don't drink (anymore, and was a less than 2 drinks a month before) or have never smoked or done street drugs. The type of liver disease that I have (non-alcoholic steato hepatitis/NASH) is something that about 10% of people with fatty liver get. Fatty liver is usually caused from being overweight. I was diagnosed in the late-90's with fatty liver, and told that losing weight would help, but was never told the potential consequences of fatty liver, and certainly not about liver disease! My bloodwork eventually was all normal again, and I am currently only 15 pounds over the high-end of my ideal body weight (per the charts), or 8 pounds over for my BMI to be in the normal range, down from a high that was just 22 pounds more than what I am now. Many people with NASH are not diagnosed until they are in liver failure. I was fortunate that when I had my gallbladder out almost 2 years ago, they saw how bad my liver looked and did a biopsy, and I was diagnosed then. If you know anything about liver disease/liver transplants, my current MELD score is a 7, which is really, really good. It can change quickly, but could also stay the same for years. Even though I have some cirrhosis already, my bloodwork is better than you would expect. My biggest health concern (besides the liver disease) is being a Type 2 diabetic. There are contributing health-factors that make it harder to keep my blood sugar normal, but also willpower issues. And I already get lots of judgment from others anytime I eat a cookie, etc, so worrying about being judged is a real possibility for me. Again, I really appreciate all the responses! I'm not a big fan of over-sharing on the Internet, but weighed that against needing to hear from y'all and decided to go for it. I was diagnosed with NASH a couple years ago. They found it when I had all the scans done for kidney cancer and there was initial concern they were actually mets. No, a severely fatty liver. It's still functioning quite well right now, but you've definitely given me food for thought. No one has mentioned I may end up at the point where I need a transplant down the road.
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Post by scrappington on Aug 13, 2014 10:39:35 GMT
Being a person that made the decision to donate my husbands organs and receiving a letter from a recipient, I have to say I would hope someone would change their life style.
Now having a drink , a social drink is one thing but drinking and drinking I don't think its wise. People are given a second chance at the cost of someone else's life.
I'm not one that believes that people live on in others.
I didn't want any correspondence from the recipients, but a letter got thru anyway. I didn't want to know if any organs didn't take. I kept my husband alive for almost 20 hrs so he could donate. I didn't want that to be for nothing. So I my mind and what I believe is that all 3 organs took and those people are ok.
I think the same holds true for people that have by pass surgery and heart procedures. You are given more time , a second chance, sometimes more. You should really try to help yourself, eat better, change your life style. I know its not easy but really appreciate the time it gives you.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 13, 2014 13:00:56 GMT
Life is short, no matter what are health issues. I say go to Disney!
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 13, 2014 13:13:02 GMT
i don't have any personal experience with transplant recipients
but ink's quote above it exactly what i thought of when i read your questions
she was also blasted for considering another pregnancy
the difference is - you are concerned about thee things..she wasn't
people are going to fudge - either our loud or behind your back
do what YOU feel is right - you can't control how others will react to it
i will tell you how i feel about fundraisers in general if you do have one - DO NOT go out and buy a new camper - don't brag about the concerts you bought tickets for (obviously this happened in our town and it was VERY disappointing)
gina
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 13, 2014 13:18:06 GMT
Being a person that made the decision to donate my husbands organs and receiving a letter from a recipient, I have to say I would hope someone would change their life style.
Now having a drink , a social drink is one thing but drinking and drinking I don't think its wise. People are given a second chance at the cost of someone else's life.
I'm not one that believes that people live on in others.
I didn't want any correspondence from the recipients, but a letter got thru anyway. I didn't want to know if any organs didn't take. I kept my husband alive for almost 20 hrs so he could donate. I didn't want that to be for nothing. So I my mind and what I believe is that all 3 organs took and those people are ok.
I think the same holds true for people that have by pass surgery and heart procedures. You are given more time , a second chance, sometimes more. You should really try to help yourself, eat better, change your life style. I know its not easy but really appreciate the time it gives you.
I'm sorry for the loss of your husband. Thank you for making the decision to donate your husband's organs. In my mind all of the recipients of his organs are well.
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Post by Gillyflower on Aug 13, 2014 13:18:14 GMT
I guess I'm not really sure why you're worried about this stuff? I don't know how to answer really. I think firstly, you need to live your life after transplant. I don't think that means sitting on a beach tanning with coconut oil or drinking until you pass out, but if you get mildly burnt because you forgot your hat once - well things happen. I'm pretty good with sun protection but I know a lot of people who aren't post transplant. I have a drink on a special occasion but limit it to 1 or 2. I know people after transplant that party on the weekend all the time. People need to make their own choices and realise it might bite you in the ass later on and I'll probably judge if that person was being reckless. Smoking after a lung transplant (which I've had) - yep, I would judge that for sure. Ultimately, it means you won't be getting another one if it all goes pear shaped. I think if you smoke after another type of transplant, well, see above. You're playing a statistics game that you'll lose. I have judged a few people who go out and partake in risky behaviour time and time again but it's not really any of my business and I'm not their doctor. Everyone makes choices. If you (general you!) know you're going to abuse your organ, just leave it for someone else who wants it. Eating healthy? Do you mean following the diet post transplant or just in general? If you're talking generally, I don't judge people for what they eat. I don't go out of my way to eat only super healthy foods beyond my diet restrictions and my diabetes. I have raised my eyebrows in the past when I know someone shouldn't be eating those deli meats or undercooked steak (and I'll say something if I think they don't know better), but other than that they make their own choices. I try to follow the diet carefully in terms of items that are low bacteria because listeria kills and I don't want it to infect me. I have a friend in similar circumstances who is treated with minimal medication due to an extremely close match. It's not such a big issue for him and he can eat more freely. So I guess as with all things, you should follow what your team want you to do. They have guidelines because that's what works and keeps people alive. For what it's worth, the medical team do try and evaluate whether you'll follow your regime or not (medication, lifestyle, etc). If they don't think you will, they can decline to transplant you. At least here in Australia. I know of people who have not been re-transplanted after doing something stupid like not taking medication as directed until they started to reject. I also know of people who have been denied a transplant until they clean up their act and stop the smoking/partying. Unfortunately for her, by the time she was able to show the team she had changed her situation/lifestyle she was very ill. She got the call when she was on life support and died in the ambulance on the way to get her new lungs. It was very sad - she was 25. All that to say, they really like rule followers in the transplant world. I don't feel watched at all, but I try and do what I'm supposed to. I appreciate it when someone asks me about something because they are concerned. Usually that's just someone at work asking if I've had my medication (because they didn't notice me do it). I don't think people are judging me at all and it never crossed my mind. If they are, I know I do the best I can and do what is asked of me by my medical team. I can't answer to the fundraising as mine was covered by our health system. Every organ has different rules about eligibility and post transplant regimes and "rules". There are some common ones but also some more specific issues that relate only to that organ, so talk with your doctor. ETA: Ten years is a long time to not go anywhere or enjoy the life you are trying to preserve. Gilly.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 13, 2014 13:20:48 GMT
Thanks for the update Suzanne. I never heard of NASH before. Thanks for the education. Be well.
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Post by scrappington on Aug 13, 2014 15:51:54 GMT
I also worked with someone who had a liver transplant. I think it was from taking a medication..She was fine one day in the hospital and dying the next..when she woke up she had a new liver. She celebrates the birthday of her new liver -- I forget what she named "him" she said it came from a man.. And her family and her would have a party celebrating it. I think that's fantastic. She would drink every once in awhile. She regularly saw her drs, took her rejection meds. Etc. But I really love how celebrated later.
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Post by wezee on Aug 13, 2014 22:21:11 GMT
You seem like a balanced, considerate, thoughtful person- from your OP and update. I wish you many years of good health, with or without the surgery. And a few cookies and vacations. Well said! Ditto
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Post by casswithsass on Aug 15, 2014 2:42:11 GMT
Sorry you are going through this. I found out I needed a liver transplant in October, 2009, and had my transplant in July, 2010. The need for a transplant truly came out of left field. I have an extremely rare disease that is totally unrelated to lifestyle choices, and have never felt judged. I really haven't changed my lifestyle since then that much. It is really a roller coaster. I felt guilty hoping for the transplant while at the same time knowing that someone would have to die for me to get it. Every time the phone rang, I didn't know whether to cheer or throw up. While going through the "getting on the list", the transplant team were concerned most of all about having a caretaker 24/7 for a couple months. They also covered the cost of immunosuppresants and if I was responsible enough to take care of my new liver, take all the meds, and get lab work for the rest of my life. What is the fundraiser for? The cost of a transplant is over $500,000 and it seems any fundraising is a drop in a big old bucket.
Every day I feel so much gratitude toward the donor and her family. Our family will never forget that selflessness during such a hard time. I am so grateful for all the people who are donors.
By the way, they were able to use my liver for someone else. It is called a domino transplant and is very rare. I met her in the hospital. We have the same first names.
I belong to an online support group for my disease and it helps not to feel so alone, but I never made it to the liver transplant group the hospital hosts weekly. I didn't feel that it would help me that much.
As for Disney and grandkids, go for it!
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