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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 30, 2016 15:54:15 GMT
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Post by lindas on Nov 30, 2016 16:03:06 GMT
Aren't you jumping the gun, he hasn't appointed anyone yet.
I will agree however, not my first choice.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 30, 2016 16:03:59 GMT
ITA. I just posted on FB yesterday that I was wondering if we will see the same furor over emails with General Petraeus, who actually pled guilty to and was sentenced for intentionally mishandling classified information. Not holding my breath.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 30, 2016 16:06:50 GMT
Aren't you jumping the gun, he hasn't appointed anyone yet. I will agree however, not my first choice. He shouldn't even be being considered, he's still on probation!
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Post by mrssmith on Nov 30, 2016 16:07:24 GMT
No, not appointed yet. But yes, so ironic. And I'm sure there would not be a furor over his emails, which he *intentionally* shared. I think it was via a yahoo email or something that he used to communicate with his mistress.
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Post by casii on Nov 30, 2016 16:21:30 GMT
Oh the irony.
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Post by lucillebluth on Nov 30, 2016 16:24:56 GMT
I'm torn on this one. He showed terrible, terrible judgement, and yes, it's ridiculous that he would be considered after how Republicans went after Hillary Clinton for her private server. But if the alternative is Rudy Giuliani? I can live with Petraeus, and hope he's learned his lesson.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 16:27:45 GMT
No, not appointed yet. But yes, so ironic. And I'm sure there would not be a furor over his emails, which he *intentionally* shared. I think it was via a yahoo email or something that he used to communicate with his mistress. Wasn't it far more that e-mails ? He passed notebooks of highly classified information to his biographer/mistress and admitted that he knew what he was doing did he not? Hypocritical is an understatement ! There's a big difference in being " careless" which is doing something unintentionally by not giving your actions sufficient attention, which is what HRC did and actually deliberately passing those notebooks to a 3rd party IMO. If this appointment comes about I wonder what the allied countries that share intelligence with the US will think of it?.....not very favourably I would imagine.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 30, 2016 16:28:31 GMT
No, not appointed yet. But yes, so ironic. And I'm sure there would not be a furor over his emails, which he *intentionally* shared. I think it was via a yahoo email or something that he used to communicate with his mistress. I was notebooks that he gave to her that had the stolen information.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 30, 2016 16:34:53 GMT
Aren't you jumping the gun, he hasn't appointed anyone yet. I will agree however, not my first choice. True.. the hypocrisy of even interviewing him is astounding.
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 30, 2016 16:37:32 GMT
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 30, 2016 16:49:22 GMT
No, not okay. They might be apples and oranges but another fancy phrase we like to throw around in government is the "image of impropriety." By demonizing Hillary and then claiming that Petraeus wasn't equally demonic is not okay. It opens up a can of worms fraught with the good ol' boy club. The image of impropriety is too strong with this one for it to be a good idea.
The man was removed from service wasn't he? Removed. And we're bringing him back and we're going to focus on the relation to HRC? That's absurd.
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 30, 2016 16:53:42 GMT
No, not okay. They might be apples and oranges but another fancy phrase we like to throw around in government is the "image of impropriety." By demonizing Hillary and then claiming that Petraeus wasn't equally demonic is not okay. It opens up a can of worms fraught with the good ol' boy club. The image of impropriety is too strong with this one for it to be a good idea. The man was removed from service wasn't he? Removed. And we're bringing him back and we're going to focus on the relation to HRC? That's absurd. I agree, his character is a YUGE question mark. His lying to the FBI when they caught him, for instance. And he wasn't removed. He resigned and even retained his 4 star ranking.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 30, 2016 16:57:49 GMT
No, not okay. They might be apples and oranges but another fancy phrase we like to throw around in government is the "image of impropriety." By demonizing Hillary and then claiming that Petraeus wasn't equally demonic is not okay. It opens up a can of worms fraught with the good ol' boy club. The image of impropriety is too strong with this one for it to be a good idea. The man was removed from service wasn't he? Removed. And we're bringing him back and we're going to focus on the relation to HRC? That's absurd. I agree, his character is a YUGE question mark. His lying to the FBI when they caught him, for instance. And he wasn't removed. He resigned and even retained his 4 star ranking. I finally got to use Trump speak in a sentence today ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) Nice to see yours!
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 30, 2016 17:00:19 GMT
I finally got to use Trump speak in a sentence today ![:laugh:](http://i61.tinypic.com/4ghu10.jpg) Nice to see yours! I heard it from Bernie first.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 30, 2016 17:26:47 GMT
I read the first article you linked (which is a little out of date) and I agree it is apples to oranges, but not in the way you suggest. This quote as at the bottom of the article: In a July 7, 2016, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) asked FBI Director James Comey whether he agreed with the claim that Petraeus “got in trouble for far less” than Clinton. “No, it’s the reverse,” Comey said. The Petraeus “illustrates perfectly the kind of cases the Department of Justice is willing to prosecute,” he said: A combination of obstruction of justice, intentional misconduct and a vast quantity of classified information. Petraeus admitted he knew that was the wrong thing to do, Comey said.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 30, 2016 17:53:46 GMT
I just want to know when the 'swamp draining' is supposed to commence... (because I haven't seen it yet.)
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 30, 2016 17:57:49 GMT
No, not appointed yet. But yes, so ironic. And I'm sure there would not be a furor over his emails, which he *intentionally* shared. I think it was via a yahoo email or something that he used to communicate with his mistress. Wasn't it far more that e-mails ? He passed notebooks of highly classified information to his biographer/mistress and admitted that he knew what he was doing did he not? Hypocritical is an understatement ! There's a big difference in being " careless" which is doing something unintentionally by not giving your actions sufficient attention, which is what HRC did and actually deliberately passing those notebooks to a 3rd party IMO. If this appointment comes about I wonder what the allied countries that share intelligence with the US will think of it?.....not very favourably I would imagine. Yep yep yep. And don't forget about Flynn.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 30, 2016 18:00:21 GMT
I just want to know when the 'swamp draining' is supposed to commence... (because I haven't seen it yet.) That was an empty promise that appealed to his supporters desire for an "outsider" and it's no surprise he's backed off on that one (as well as other promises he made). Additionally, I posted this yesterday: I think the whole "draining the swamp" thing was kind of ridiculous anyway - you need people with actual experience and knowledge to fill these slots - so they are likely to come from the same pools as they have always come from. (I was listening to a podcast that talked about this - Obama also had pledged to and tried to put in some policies prohibiting movement between government and lobbyists and quickly found he wouldn't have people to fill positions with the limitations he was proposing). It was a rally cry that appealed to people, but was not something he was ever going to deliver on. And I don't think any politician really can deliver on that without a lot of serious fundamental changes we will never see. So this whole "draining the swamp" thing doesn't really bother me that much, but it seems that it was a reason some people voted for him and he's walking back on it (which is so surprising. ha ha. just wait until all those highly paid manufacturing jobs don't magically reappear either!).
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Post by lisae on Nov 30, 2016 18:05:55 GMT
I completely get the hypocrisy of nominating Petraeus but I'd rather have him than Guiliani.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 30, 2016 18:24:50 GMT
I just want to know when the 'swamp draining' is supposed to commence... (because I haven't seen it yet.) That was an empty promise that appealed to his supporters desire for an "outsider" and it's no surprise he's backed off on that one (as well as other promises he made). Additionally, I posted this yesterday: I think the whole "draining the swamp" thing was kind of ridiculous anyway - you need people with actual experience and knowledge to fill these slots - so they are likely to come from the same pools as they have always come from. (I was listening to a podcast that talked about this - Obama also had pledged to and tried to put in some policies prohibiting movement between government and lobbyists and quickly found he wouldn't have people to fill positions with the limitations he was proposing). It was a rally cry that appealed to people, but was not something he was ever going to deliver on. And I don't think any politician really can deliver on that without a lot of serious fundamental changes we will never see. So this whole "draining the swamp" thing doesn't really bother me that much, but it seems that it was a reason some people voted for him and he's walking back on it (which is so surprising. ha ha. just wait until all those highly paid manufacturing jobs don't magically reappear either!). That's how I think too. The promises are usually much bigger then can be done. So I just hope that there are small steps that can be done. Little by little.
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Post by RosieKat on Nov 30, 2016 19:41:44 GMT
I have always suspected Petraeus was overly enchanted with himself and was trying to show off. NOT saying that's OK, just musing aloud. I have a friend of a friend kind of thing where someone knows him and says he's a good guy IRL. I don't know if that's true or not, and it doesn't change that we got lucky that nothing serious happened to us as a nation when he did a very awful thing...but as others said, if I have to vote and it's him over Giuliani, so be it. In a funny aside, I was once copied on a social email that was just CC'd, not BCC'd, and included Petraeus' personal email. Aren't I special? We only realized it because the sender sent out a followup asking us to ignore the recipients list, so of course we all had to figure out why.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 30, 2016 19:53:51 GMT
yep. Petraeus crossed DBO and so he paid the price... (probably the same reason the SCJ Roberts pushed thru OC. he didn't want to pay the price of crossing DBO)
the 'ol double standard
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 30, 2016 20:04:15 GMT
I have always suspected Petraeus was overly enchanted with himself and was trying to show off. NOT saying that's OK, just musing aloud. I have a friend of a friend kind of thing where someone knows him and says he's a good guy IRL. I don't know if that's true or not, and it doesn't change that we got lucky that nothing serious happened to us as a nation when he did a very awful thing...but as others said, if I have to vote and it's him over Giuliani, so be it. In a funny aside, I was once copied on a social email that was just CC'd, not BCC'd, and included Petraeus' personal email. Aren't I special? We only realized it because the sender sent out a followup asking us to ignore the recipients list, so of course we all had to figure out why. I remember when this happened and thinking that he was just stupid, not nefarious. It shows a lapse of judgement, which is problematic, but even with that I would feel better with him than Guiliani.
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Post by putabuttononit on Nov 30, 2016 20:04:53 GMT
Drain the swamp means different things to different people. To me the Clintons are pretty swampy and he kept them out of the White House.
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 30, 2016 20:15:15 GMT
Of course it’s hypocritical. There’s hypocrisy on both the Republican and the Democratic fronts. When has the fear of being called a hypocrite ever stopped politicians from doing what they want to do? I’ve been voting since 1976 and every single president we’ve had since then has had instances when he has been called a hypocrite, whether by the media or opponents or the public, justified or not be damned. At the end of the day, what matters in the White House and Capitol is who can push his/her agenda through Congress with as little bloodshed as possible.
Does it bother me that Petraeus handed over confidential info? Yes, just as much as it bothers me that Clinton used a private server while Sec of State. Even the “experts” are debating whose breach is more egregious. (In the meantime, we have a Medicare crisis looming in the horizon, with Paul Ryan chomping at the bit, hell-bent on seeing his 1999 dream of privatization come to fruition. All of us here have differing opinions, but one of our equalizers is that we’ll all grow old and need healthcare, if we’re not already there. Do we want Medicare or do we want coupons?)
If given a choice, I would much rather have Patraeus, who is eminently qualified, than the others being considered. It’s politics – no one has clean hands.
(If it matters any, I’ve never had allegiance to either party – I’ve voted Democrat 7 times and Republican 3 times.)
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Post by RosieKat on Nov 30, 2016 22:23:33 GMT
I have always suspected Petraeus was overly enchanted with himself and was trying to show off. NOT saying that's OK, just musing aloud. I have a friend of a friend kind of thing where someone knows him and says he's a good guy IRL. I don't know if that's true or not, and it doesn't change that we got lucky that nothing serious happened to us as a nation when he did a very awful thing...but as others said, if I have to vote and it's him over Giuliani, so be it. In a funny aside, I was once copied on a social email that was just CC'd, not BCC'd, and included Petraeus' personal email. Aren't I special? We only realized it because the sender sent out a followup asking us to ignore the recipients list, so of course we all had to figure out why. I remember when this happened and thinking that he was just stupid, not nefarious. It shows a lapse of judgement, which is problematic, but even with that I would feel better with him than Guiliani. Thanks for saying what I was trying to say! Words are not my friend today. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg)
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