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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:20:45 GMT
I got called a heartless bitch because I posted on a FB convo talking about it saying that I don't think it is the best way to fundraise. I don't like the idea of publicly calling someone out and basically guilting them into donating to a cause that they might not want to give to. Not to mention I think the whole ice water thing is just stupid. So what do the peas say?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 12, 2014 1:25:11 GMT
I don't have a problem with it.
I learned from a kind lady a long time ago that in order to fund raise you need to do two things - ask and thank.
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Post by lumo on Aug 12, 2014 1:28:35 GMT
I think it's kind of a pointless way to raise awareness/fundraise, and I don't like the "callout" portion either.
That said, if someone wants to film themselves getting a bucket of ice water dumped on their head, have at it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:30:10 GMT
I have no problem with anyone doing it. What I don't like is that people are being called out with no chance to say hey I don't want to do that. So if they don't do it they look like an ass. That just isn't cool.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 12, 2014 1:30:13 GMT
We had a thread about it a few days ago and all the peas agreed it was stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:31:08 GMT
We had a thread about it a few days ago and all the peas agreed it was stupid. Sorry I never saw that thread.
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Post by marianne on Aug 12, 2014 1:35:00 GMT
I don't see anything wrong with it. It kind of goes along with all the other goofy behavior going on nowadays and if it raises funds for a worthwhile cause, I don't see the harm. You can't make anyone feel guilty without their permission, and no one is forcing anyone to give. I just don't go along with 'fear of public embarrassment' as an excuse to not say 'no.'
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Post by myshelly on Aug 12, 2014 1:40:07 GMT
2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/4826/out-als-ice-bucket-challengeTo me the issue with it is that dumping a bucket of water on your head isn't actually doing anything for a charity. It's not raising any money. It's like those moronic FB games where women post something like "I like it on the table" and then say "it's for breast cancer awareness." How is that helpful? It's not. It's just stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:42:16 GMT
2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/4826/out-als-ice-bucket-challengeTo me the issue with it is that dumping a bucket of water on your head isn't actually doing anything for a charity. It's not raising any money. It's like those moronic FB games where women post something like "I like it on the table" and then say "it's for breast cancer awareness." How is that helpful? It's not. It's just stupid. See how it was worded in my friend's posts is that you get called out. If you dump the water you give the foundation $10, if you don't do the challenge you give them $100. So you are giving either way. Which is why I have an issue with it.
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Post by *christine* on Aug 12, 2014 1:44:10 GMT
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 12, 2014 1:44:55 GMT
I think it's really stupid. I don't like the call out portion of it especially. I donate to charities of my choice and I'm not going to dump a bucket of ice water over my head to "get out" of donating to some specific one. It seems bizarre and pointless. After all, how is anyone to know if those that didn't dump the bucket of water actually donated? You can't. And I can guarantee you that at least in my circle of Facebook there is no one that is going to say "Drat! I got called out. I guess I better donate $100 tomorrow since I don't want to dump some ice water all over myself while filming it." It's just weird and stupid and annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:45:34 GMT
I don't get how it is a fund raiser. It seems most people are opting to do the ice water dump and if you do you don't send in any money. For me, I'm not going to dump ice water or myself or send money to a charity because I didn't. To me this goes along with the stupid facebook "slacktivism" of making it look like you are supporting something but not really doing anything that IS supportive.
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Post by momofkandn on Aug 12, 2014 1:46:41 GMT
I was called out. I ignored it. I dont mind the call out. I would only mind if the friend shamed me somehow for ignoring it. But obviously the campaign has been successful. So I wouldn't call it stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:47:23 GMT
I don't get how it is a fund raiser. It seems most people are opting to do the ice water dump and if you do you don't send in any money. For me, I'm not going to dump ice water or myself or send money to a charity because I didn't. To me this goes along with the stupid facebook "slacktivism" of making it look like you are supporting something but not really doing anything that IS supportive. No you do still donate, just less if you dump the water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:48:53 GMT
I have no problem with anyone doing it. What I don't like is that people are being called out with no chance to say hey I don't want to do that. So if they don't do it they look like an ass. That just isn't cool. It's easy enough to ignore. I liken it to those posts of if you know someone with cancer, have a brother, sister, etc... My guess is that they "call out" a lot of people. So, not responding probably wouldn't be noticed. I'm sure that's not always the case, but I would ignore.
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Post by padresfan619 on Aug 12, 2014 1:49:09 GMT
I did it. I was challenged after saying it looked fun, so I wasn't caught off guard by the request. It was a fun way of connecting with some extended family who live far away and we earned money for a great cause!
I think if someone truly didn't want to do it, they shouldn't feel bad about no wanting to. It is just a fun way of getting attention for a cause. It isn't meant to embarrass of shame anyone.
Now the kids pouring nail polish remover or rubbing alcohol on themselves and lighting themselves on fire? That's a stupid and dangerous waste of time.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 12, 2014 1:49:47 GMT
I don't get how it is a fund raiser. It seems most people are opting to do the ice water dump and if you do you don't send in any money. For me, I'm not going to dump ice water or myself or send money to a charity because I didn't. To me this goes along with the stupid facebook "slacktivism" of making it look like you are supporting something but not really doing anything that IS supportive. No you do still donate, just less if you dump the water. The posts have been coming up for me that you only donate if you don't dump the water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:53:31 GMT
No you do still donate, just less if you dump the water. The posts have been coming up for me that you only donate if you don't dump the water. Every one I have seen they are supposed to give either way. Again that is why I hate this kind of stuff. I donate to who I want to donate, not when someone calls me out.
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Post by momofkandn on Aug 12, 2014 1:56:29 GMT
The challenge wasn't just to raise money. It was also to raise awareness. Kind of like wearing one of those rubber bracelets for a cause. So if seeing someone dump ice on themselves gets you to read a little about ALS then it served its purpose. If you donate too that's icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 1:59:20 GMT
The challenge wasn't just to raise money. It was also to raise awareness. Kind of like wearing one of those rubber bracelets for a cause. So if seeing someone dump ice on themselves gets you to read a little about ALS then it served its purpose. If you donate too that's icing on the cake. But see this does nothing to make me want to learn anything about it. I do know about ALS, but this honestly turns me off. It is a crappy way to fundraise in my opinion.
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Post by mallie on Aug 12, 2014 2:01:04 GMT
I have never heard of a call out challenge before (and my workplace does tons of fundraising). I am glad no one has attempted to call me out for this form of guilt-tripping fundraising because I detest that sort of fundraising whether it's the cashier at the supermarket or someone I know. I find those things to be a huge turn-off and I'm actually less likely to give money.
And I fail to see how dumping ice water on your head educates you or anyone else about ALS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 2:02:45 GMT
I have never heard of a call out challenge before (and my workplace does tons of fundraising). I am glad no one has attempted to call me out for this form of guilt-tripping fundraising because I detest that sort of fundraising whether it's the cashier at the supermarket or someone I know. I find those things to be a huge turn-off and I'm actually less likely to give money. Ugh trust me I hear that. I have to ask at work for various charities throughout the year. Red Cross right now. I hate it but could lose my job if I don't ask. It sucks.
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Post by mallie on Aug 12, 2014 2:05:25 GMT
I have never heard of a call out challenge before (and my workplace does tons of fundraising). I am glad no one has attempted to call me out for this form of guilt-tripping fundraising because I detest that sort of fundraising whether it's the cashier at the supermarket or someone I know. I find those things to be a huge turn-off and I'm actually less likely to give money. Ugh trust me I hear that. I have to ask at work for various charities throughout the year. Red Cross right now. I hate it but could lose my job if I don't ask. It sucks. Oh, I know the cashiers hate it. I'm always polite to the cashiers. Well, except for the one who snapped, "Don't you care about the children?"
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Post by momofkandn on Aug 12, 2014 2:06:49 GMT
The challenge wasn't just to raise money. It was also to raise awareness. Kind of like wearing one of those rubber bracelets for a cause. So if seeing someone dump ice on themselves gets you to read a little about ALS then it served its purpose. If you donate too that's icing on the cake. But see this does nothing to make me want to learn anything about it. I do know about ALS, but this honestly turns me off. It is a crappy way to fundraise in my opinion. I don't particularly like it either which is why I ignored it when I was called out. But I would venture to guess this type of challenge will be repeated by other organizations given the success of this one.
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Post by shevy on Aug 12, 2014 2:26:40 GMT
Actually something was started for ACS this spring in a small gathering to collect money by jumping in frozen lakes. Kind of like the Polar Plunges that are big fund raisers for Special Olympics. But people/kids were getting seriously hurt/dying and aaa as asked people to stop.
I'm willing to be that the majority if money comes from stars doing it, not $10 from someone who spent any hour setting up, filming and posting a video. I'm also guessing that unless someone has been touched by ALS, they're not going to look up anything.
The pink washing and awareness campaigns for breast cancer have been studied and they show no impact, other than to bully someone into playing a game.
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Post by peasful1 on Aug 12, 2014 2:44:24 GMT
Nhl players are doing it en masse. I think it's good natured fun and clearly raising money for a worthy cause. Charities need to be visible to get the much needed money. You may not get it, approve of it or find it worthwhile, but just getting it out there to the masses is significant. As someone with a kid whose BFF has a rare disease that doesn't have the PR power of Bigger charities and doesn't earn anywhere near as much in donations as result, finding treatment, let alone a cure is slow-going.
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Post by MaryC on Aug 12, 2014 2:45:56 GMT
I still think it's the internet equivalent of a chain letter. While it may be raising money now, I wonder about what happens if there's another situation like the one in South Africa where someone dies - what kind of legal liability does the charity have if they endorse and encourage these "challenges" and someone dies? People don't seem to realize that dumping ice water over your head isn't just uncomfortable - it can be dangerous and literally cause someone to stop breathing if it triggers the diving reflex. A couple of people in our area have already ended up at the hospital - one man aspirated the water into his lungs - and the more this fad spreads, the more likely it becomes that someone with undiagnosed heart disease or other health issues will do this and die from it. What kind of backlash will that cause for the charity involved?
I also wonder how much awareness it's actually bringing about ALS, because most of the people I've seen post videos don't even mention ALS in the video, and don't seem to know anything about ALS other than it's a disease. Most of them seem more motivated by the attention they get from posting the video than a genuine desire to help ALS research. And if they truly were motivated by the cause, wouldn't it make more sense to donate the $100? What kind of mixed up message does it send that people are more willing to dump ice water on themselves than donate $100 to charity?
As a parent, fads and trends like this bug me - because I talk and talk to my teens about making their own choices and not doing something just because everyone else is. Then a trend like this comes along, and they see all the adults getting swept up in it, and everything they've learned about peer pressure goes right out the window because none of the adults are setting a great example. It's hard to teach kids not to get caught up in internet fads when they see all the adults around them doing it. No matter how worthy the cause may be, I still think the overall effect does more harm than good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 2:56:27 GMT
I have causes that are important to me and to which I donate. No one gets to dictate to me to whom I give or how much. Sharing a cause on FB is fine. But tagging people so they participate in some sort of challenge and/or donate money? Nope.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 12, 2014 3:05:06 GMT
I love the call out element. I think it encourages people to find out more about ALS. They can donate as much or as little as they want. And I do think it's been successful- I've seen so many different people from my family and neighbors to celebrities all over social media taking the ice bucket challenge and calling out a few others to do it too.
I wouldn't go as far to say someone who disagree is a "cold hearted bitch" but I personally see the good that is coming out of a fun and new way to spread the word and raise some money for a very good cause.
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Post by formerpea on Aug 12, 2014 3:14:47 GMT
First - what is the big deal if this was already discussed on the board, just don't open the thread, why post it, link it, etc.? Sheesh, thought we left this type of thing in the bucket. Second - I would be pissed if someone did that to me. I want to give to the charities I want, not because of some call out game. FTR I would ignore it if it appears on my wall.
That's all......
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