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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 2, 2016 17:28:37 GMT
My son is in the Air Force and is getting transferred to Germany. They will ship his car over but (me, mamma) is kinda nervous about it. The transfer itself doesn't worry me. But is it difficult to get a license over there? or is there anything else he will need to know? What about insurance? (I guess he will figure this out himself, I am just thinking aloud) He just doesn't want to get over there with no transportation to get anywhere. I totally understand that! And I am not 'nervous' about him driving or whatever, just the process itself. If he has time to travel, can he just drive to another country with his passport? (Just general things I am thinking of)
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Post by eleezybeth on Dec 2, 2016 17:45:44 GMT
Twice in fact. It's easy. He'll drop it off at the shipper and pick it up at the installations pick up place. He will walk in and register it just like he does here and drive away.
Part of his in processing will be to sit for his German driving certificate. He is not allowed to drive without it. That's what the shuttle and taxis are for in the mean time. Is it a pain in the butt? Yep, every time. But it is short lived. Tell him to download the test before he goes and start studying. It is not hard but you have to know the new signs and how to proceed in a round-about. He will not have a German license - but a US certificate to drive. He still needs his states license. Make sure it is renewed or you live in a state where that isn't necessary for active duty.
Insurance, is the same. He'll call and let them know he is now in Germany. They will push his insurance card which he will need to pick up his car. He can put it in a "hold" sort of status while on the boat and try to save some money but he should talk that through with his insurer (and hopefully he has USAA - they are awesome in Germany as they have a local number and everything!)
So will he not have transportation- yep. Will he survive? Yep. Do we all go through this when we get there? Yep. If he can get his license and his car isn't there yet, he can rent a car. All bases's have shuttles and since you say AF that really narrows where he is going. I guarantee the busses are there. It is a short lived thing. He should also have a sponsor. Will he live on base? Even easier- he doesn't have far to go. If he wants to get out, research the train and either walk or take a cab to the depot.
My first time in Germany... we landed at Thanksgiving. We were immediately invited to a dinner and asked me to bring cranberries because I could just get the can. LOL! Sure... so I figured out how to ride the bus to buy cranberries but first I stopped to get pillows. I'm in the commissary carrying pillows and crying because I was exhausted, they were out of cranberries and I had no idea where I even lived (seriously- couldn't pronounce the street). A woman stopped and helped me. She ended up driving me home bless her heart as she was well aware of where I lived... sigh. Hilarious now, not so funny then. The second time I was a pro.
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Post by Anita on Dec 2, 2016 17:51:23 GMT
If it's anything like when we were transferred overseas, they will have a mandatory intro class for living in the country. Part of that class is studying for and taking your international driver's license exam. If he has USAA, it's not a big deal at all to have the info changed to his new country. I'm not sure how it works with other insurance companies.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 2, 2016 17:54:45 GMT
The contracted shipper of POV for DoD has been in the news as being a lousy shipper. The consequences of going with the lowest bidder. Getting a German license will be part of his inprocessing. We shipped a car to the middle east when we moved there. The bribes required to get it released were crazy.
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Post by valincal on Dec 2, 2016 18:00:43 GMT
You need to show your passport when checking into hotels but you do not need to show it when driving from one country to another within the EU. (I'm not sure if I've worded that correctly but from Germany he can drive to the Netherlands, France, Switzerland etc. without having to stop at any border controls.)
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Post by sueg on Dec 2, 2016 18:02:20 GMT
Others have addressed the getting the car there and the licence details - we didn't deal with that as there was no point bringing a car from Australia, and our licence process was a simple exchange. As for this: If he has time to travel, can he just drive to another country with his passport? In a nutshell - yes. We drive all over Europe, and have driven through multiple countries in one day - I think our 'record' is 5! At times, it is even hard to tell when you are crossing a border! Most of the time, you don't need a passport to cross borders, but it is useful to carry it as ID just in case. This has become more of an issue since the refugee crisis of the past few years, but we still haven't had to show one. We do drive a German registered car - it might be different with a car with a different registration.
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Post by sueg on Dec 2, 2016 18:04:22 GMT
You need to show your passport when checking into hotels but you do not need to show it when driving from one country to another within the EU. (I'm not sure if I've worded that correctly but from Germany he can drive to the Netherlands, France, Switzerland etc. without having to stop at any border controls.) Technically, not the EU but the Schengen Zone. Not all EU countries are signatories to this, and you still need passports for them. I think the closest to Germany is Croatia. All the coutries that border Germany (there are 9 of them) are Schengen.
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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 2, 2016 18:14:28 GMT
Thanks for all the tips!!! I'm sure he will get what he needs but I'll pass all this to him. My cousin who lived overseas also said to contact the loan company to let them know where the car is. Some companies want to know while others don't.
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Post by sueg on Dec 2, 2016 18:31:40 GMT
I'd just like to add one thing. This website: Toytown Germany is great for English speakers coming to Germany for the first time. There is so much information on all the different customs and rules that you face here. It is divided up by region, and there is even a forum specifically for US Military people and the specific issues they face. We found it invaluable when we first arrived, and I made a lot of friends through the meet up groups.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 2, 2016 19:57:58 GMT
We were in South Korean from 2001-03, so time and county may change things.
But I can remember it being one of the easier tasks of the move. We got international driver's licenses from AAA as recommended, but I'm not sure that was even necessary then, much less now. I didn't drive off base much--I couldn't read the street signs and the streets were incredibly narrow and confusing. But that was Seoul, not Germany... At least they use the same alphabet as we do!
Your DS will need to take the vehicle to a port. I think DH went to St Louis, so there is one in the middle of the country. We did it about 6 weeks before we left, as some friends had a car they lent us for that time. We sold my car about a week before we left and shared the one vehicle for a time, too. It must have been a pain, but I don't remember too much, so it must have been pretty low on the list of issues for me!
It it expensive to rent a car--we did that for a week when we got back and then the in laws brought their extra car down for us. We were in Vegas and it was just too spread out for the expense of taxis. DH bought a car about a week later, so that took care of that problem.
One thing to consider is buying a vehicle over there and selling it before moving back to the states. We bought DH a motor scooter (weren't allowed 2 cars if living on base per the SOFA agreement), but a lot of bachelors bought what we called hoop-dees. We lived on base and put 5 miles a day max on the car, so they get passed down over and over through the years. There must be a similar system in Germany. Or that is where BMWs are made...
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 2, 2016 20:00:36 GMT
The contracted shipper of POV for DoD has been in the news as being a lousy shipper. The consequences of going with the lowest bidder. Getting a German license will be part of his inprocessing. We shipped a car to the middle east when we moved there. The bribes required to get it released were crazy. We found this when we arrived in Seoul at midnight following 28 straight hours of travel. We tried to get the dog released from customs, but her form had a gerbil listed on it. Luckily we had the original copies with no gerbil listed, but they still didn't listen. So we finally just said the dog ate the gerbil. They thought that was funny and let her go for $20. It's a funny story now, but I was ready to cry at the time! What a wonderful woman and a great story!
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Post by Patter on Dec 2, 2016 20:20:31 GMT
My parents shipped our cars to England when we lived there, and then when we moved to Germany, we took them over on the ferry. I got my first ever driver's license in Germany. Much harder exam and driving exam than my girls ever did in the U.S. But I am thankful that's where I learned to drive. It will be different for him because he already has a driver's license from the U.S. But everyone has shared that it won't be bad for him. And we used to drive from Germany to our favorite French restaurant all of the time. Piece of cake. Where will he be stationed?
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Post by vronigarmisch on Dec 2, 2016 20:31:00 GMT
We are stationed in Germany right now as well. we have mirascon insurance they gave us a better quote than USAA but insurance is more expensive than in the states at least for us. I think driving here is easier then in the States even with the autobahn, drivers are just a lot nicer to each other ( my experience). They do offer amazing deals on new BMWs with great military discounts and free home shipping. Depending on what car he has it might be hard to park at some spots , German parking spots are rather small and there is lots of parallel parking. Feel free to message me if you have any questions!!
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Post by scorpeao on Dec 2, 2016 20:55:11 GMT
We did it when I was in the Army many, many years ago. The biggest PITA was getting the car clean and inspected before it could be put on the ship. We did insurance through Geico and as long as we were military we didn't have to get another license...but, this was years ago and rules may have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:42:56 GMT
My son is in the Air Force and is getting transferred to Germany. They will ship his car over but (me, mamma) is kinda nervous about it. The transfer itself doesn't worry me. But is it difficult to get a license over there? or is there anything else he will need to know? What about insurance? (I guess he will figure this out himself, I am just thinking aloud) He just doesn't want to get over there with no transportation to get anywhere. I totally understand that! And I am not 'nervous' about him driving or whatever, just the process itself. If he has time to travel, can he just drive to another country with his passport? (Just general things I am thinking of) He will have a series of transfer briefings that cover these topics. The installation he is going to will have an office for getting this sort of thing taken care of. In general getting a new license isn't an issue because he is military. Many nations have a policy of US driver's license plus military id card = legal to drive. Or they simply ask the service member to surrender a state issued license for an international one. No testing involved. Major US insurers will cover vehicles owned by military personnel over seas. He just needs to tell them he is overseas. We used both State Farm and Gieco while living abroad at different times. If he has a loan on his vehicle he needs to talk to the loan issuer. We had one that required we set up an auto pay for the duration of the loan since they wouldn't be able to repossess the car if needed. He will be able to travel pretty easily between counties. He will get the detailed info in his outprocessing/inprocessing briefings.
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Post by scrappert on Dec 2, 2016 21:45:10 GMT
Ours was real simple when we shipped it to Iceland when XH was stationed there. And we did not have to take any tests for driving. Maybe that is where he needs to go! LOL
Good luck to him, the good thing is that this is not the first time military has brought a vehicle to Germany, so I am sure there are a lot of resources on how to proceed.
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Post by Patter on Dec 2, 2016 21:59:21 GMT
We are stationed in Germany right now as well. we have mirascon insurance they gave us a better quote than USAA but insurance is more expensive than in the states at least for us. I think driving here is easier then in the States even with the autobahn, drivers are just a lot nicer to each other ( my experience). They do offer amazing deals on new BMWs with great military discounts and free home shipping. Depending on what car he has it might be hard to park at some spots , German parking spots are rather small and there is lots of parallel parking. Feel free to message me if you have any questions!! I meant to mention that very thing--the size of his current car, parking spaces, road size, etc. And yes, it is much easier to drive there. I find they follow the rules much better too.
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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 2, 2016 23:25:11 GMT
Thanks everyone!!! Great advice... My cousin also said to be sure to have the car detailed, they shipped theirs to England and said they were VERY picky and not to have much gas in it.
Oh I am sure the AF will clue him in.. but ya know as a mom.. I am sitting here thinking insurance, license, t..will he remember to do this and that and this and that.. lol... I know I will start chiming in and he is going to say "I KNOW"...
Ummm, I could suggest buying a car there and sending it over here. If it was a good enough deal. Or I wonder if he was interested he could ship his current car over there and trade it in? Ummm, things to consider!! Especially if he could afford a BMW...
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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 2, 2016 23:26:28 GMT
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 3, 2016 1:44:29 GMT
In general getting a new license isn't an issue because he is military. when i was stationed in germany we sure did have to get a USAREUR license to drive offpost
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Post by grate on Dec 3, 2016 16:25:26 GMT
we had ours shipped to Germany and we switched to USAA insurance before it was. Due to my husband's work situation we were given our licenses but I know my friends had to study for a very hard test and pay a good bit of money. I drove to up to Denmark, down to Croatia and most places in-between. Only ever checked in either Slovenia or Croatia .. don't remember. Your son is so lucky and I hope he enjoys his off time and makes the most of it. We moved back last year and I miss it so!!!
ETA-- our car had to be paid off before it could be shipped and as others said.. completely clean out and without gas. The clean out caused a problem when I had it returned. We had our first frost and I needed to move the are for the movers and I did not have an ice scraper. I turned on the car and let it defrost and quickly got yelled at by a passerby. Germany has many rules!!!!
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Post by grate on Dec 3, 2016 16:27:51 GMT
I think you have to have bought the car a certain amount of time before coming home in order to not pay taxes. Many car companies give nice discounts to military. We planned on it but spent our money traveling and the time to not pay taxes within-- came up fast. We were there 4 years.
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Post by valincal on Dec 3, 2016 16:37:59 GMT
Thanks everyone!!! Great advice... My cousin also said to be sure to have the car detailed, they shipped theirs to England and said they were VERY picky and not to have much gas in it. Oh I am sure the AF will clue him in.. but ya know as a mom.. I am sitting here thinking insurance, license, t..will he remember to do this and that and this and that.. lol... I know I will start chiming in and he is going to say "I KNOW"... Ummm, I could suggest buying a car there and sending it over here. If it was a good enough deal. Or I wonder if he was interested he could ship his current car over there and trade it in? Ummm, things to consider!! Especially if he could afford a BMW... If his current vehicle is large and a gas guzzler it might not be worth his while to ship it. Driving and parking In some towns and cities can be difficult with a larger car and I'm sure you know that gas prices in Europe are very high. He may want to purchase a compact car that is economical on gas.
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