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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 11:37:59 GMT
I was in my first major accident yesterday, not my fault I was ran into. I've called my insurance company they said call his so I did. This happened in the late afternoon so they took my info and a claims adjuster will be calling me sometime today.
There will be no fixing my car the rear drivers side wheel was sheared off, I'm sure they'll total it. I wouldn't feel safe driving it if they try and tell me it's fixable.
My question is when looking at the value of my car, it was an 05 Dodge Magnum, Kelly Blue Book comes up with a price between 8,000 and 10,000 grand but in looking to buy a used car same make and model it seems to be starting at 10,000.
I'm sure his company is going to try and give me the lowest price they can.
I guess what I'm asking is am I just screwed? Will I have to make up the difference to replace the car.
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Post by dazeepetals on Aug 12, 2014 12:15:26 GMT
In short, yes you will likely have to make up the difference for the car. You will never get 1:1 value for your car. Remember, the dealership is marking up the value from KBB also.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 12:55:55 GMT
Thanks that's what I was afraid of. Oh well could have been worse and at least I wasn't at fault.
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Post by angiet on Aug 12, 2014 13:17:03 GMT
I work for a major insurance company, but not in claims. We use the NADA guide, not Kelly Blue Book to determine value. Your insurance policy owes you for the value of the vehicle at the time of the accident, not replacement cost.
My ds's car was totaled last year and we were pleasantly please with what we were offered. I would say 95% the customers in our office are as well.
When your car is totaled, you will likely not get enough to replace it without any out of pocket expense, but that is one of the risks with driving and owing a vehicle.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 12, 2014 13:19:59 GMT
You can appeal the amount. We did this with our DIL when her car was totaled. We had to provide 3 listings within a certain radius of DS's house that showed the same car selling for more. They did pay her more.
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Post by krc11 on Aug 12, 2014 13:25:33 GMT
I would think with that kind of damage, you have some medical bills, some lost wages and some pain & suffering, inconvenience. Do not accept just the property damage payment as full settlement of your claim.
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Post by alibama on Aug 12, 2014 13:26:35 GMT
Good luck that is never fun. I am just glad you were not injured.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 12, 2014 13:26:57 GMT
Don't assume you are screwed. I used to work in claims for a major insurance company and like angiet, we used NADA, not Kelly Blue Book. There are many factors to consider at the time of loss. If you aren't happy with the settlement, like mikklynn did, provide 3-4 listings in a given radius of what it is really going to take to replace a car in like condition of yours. Also, you might want to consider going through an individual vs a dealership. Most times, you are able to get the vehicle a little less.
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Post by JustKim on Aug 12, 2014 13:29:33 GMT
You can appeal the amount. We did this with our DIL when her car was totaled. We had to provide 3 listings within a certain radius of DS's house that showed the same car selling for more. They did pay her more. This is exactly what I did several years ago. I asked the insurance co. to show me where I can replace the car for the amount they were offering and I was told to find a few in my area that was equal to what was lost. I received more than they were offering.
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Post by smartypants71 on Aug 12, 2014 13:34:41 GMT
You can appeal the amount. We did this with our DIL when her car was totaled. We had to provide 3 listings within a certain radius of DS's house that showed the same car selling for more. They did pay her more. I did this also and ended up getting substantially more. Really, I'm a little surprised that your insurance company is not handling this. When I was in an accident (not my fault), my insurance handled everything and then recovered the cost from the other drivers insurance. I had my car towed and rental car in under an hour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 13:38:11 GMT
I would think with that kind of damage, you have some medical bills, some lost wages and some pain & suffering, inconvenience. Do not accept just the property damage payment as full settlement of your claim. Not sure about lost wages, I started jury duty yesterday and am supposed to report back there today. I'm hoping they'll excuse me for today so I can figure out a rental car. Yesterday my collar bone and shoulder was sore but not to bad. This morning it's still a little achy and my neck is sore. I suppose in a day or two if it's still bothering me I'll have to go to the doctor about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 13:41:05 GMT
You can appeal the amount. We did this with our DIL when her car was totaled. We had to provide 3 listings within a certain radius of DS's house that showed the same car selling for more. They did pay her more. I did this also and ended up getting substantially more. Really, I'm a little surprised that your insurance company is not handling this. When I was in an accident (not my fault), my insurance handled everything and then recovered the cost from the other drivers insurance. I had my car towed and rental car in under an hour. It surprised me too, they said if the other company wasn't helping me I should call them but I was disappointed. We have Encompass insurance they do our home, rental property and auto policy. So far I'm not to impressed.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 12, 2014 13:48:27 GMT
I am not impressed with Insurance Co's that don't do some work either. During my dd's last accident we ended up doing most everything. I was not happy. Even though it wasn't your fault, keep EVERYTHING. The police report, the insurance report, everything for several yrs. My oldest dd was in an accident where a fed ex truck passed them on the wrong side of the road and hit them. The county attorney even went after them for crimminal chrgs, and a yr AFTER the settlement we had a lawyer contacting us from fed ex's insurance co asking for compensation. It was seriously a WTH? moment. Luckily I had saved EVERYTHING. We produced the police report, the attorney's reports, and they quickly backed out. They should have been happy we didn't sue them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 13:54:54 GMT
NADA runs differently then KBB so you may be surprised with what they offer you. Make sure they know about any upgrades your car had, stereo, sun roof, etc - that will play into the final amount they offer you.
Glad your not hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 14:04:45 GMT
Wow NADA is even lower than KBB.
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Post by bsn22 on Aug 12, 2014 14:24:14 GMT
I am surprised your insurance told you to call their insurance. I have been in two accidents (both not my fault) and have only talked to the other insurance when they called me to answer some questions. In that instance, my car was totaled. They had stopped making that model so we were fine with what the insurance company gave us.
IMO, you should let your insurance provider deal with their insurance. And go to the doctor. Keep all of your paperwork.
Such a pain, though!
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Post by SnowWhite on Aug 12, 2014 14:34:54 GMT
I am surprised your insurance told you to call their insurance. I have been in two accidents (both not my fault) and have only talked to the other insurance when they called me to answer some questions. In that instance, my car was totaled. I think it depends on what kind of coverage you have on your vehicle. This just happened last weekend to my boyfriend. A jackhole made a left turn in front of him at an intersection (said jackhole never even checked to see if anyone was coming) and BF plowed into him, totaling both cars. But BF was driving a 2001 Saturn with 150k miles on it. He didn't have collision coverage and thus, his insurance company told him to deal with the jackhole's insurance directly. If he had collision, his insurance company would have paid out and they would have went after the jackhole's insurance company for reimbursement.
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Post by bsn22 on Aug 12, 2014 14:42:30 GMT
That makes sense, Snow White.
Hope everything worked out for your BF!
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Aug 12, 2014 14:50:39 GMT
I am surprised your insurance told you to call their insurance. I have been in two accidents (both not my fault) and have only talked to the other insurance when they called me to answer some questions. In that instance, my car was totaled. They had stopped making that model so we were fine with what the insurance company gave us. IMO, you should let your insurance provider deal with their insurance. And go to the doctor. Keep all of your paperwork. Such a pain, though! I totally agree that it is YOUR insurance company's responsibility to deal with the other insurance company. That's why you pay premiums. I would call them again and INSIST they be the go between you and the other insurance company. It's their duty to represent you in this matter. ETA -- and don't sign anything or take their first offer especially relating to any potential injuries. Make sure you don't have any injuries that may cause issues down the line. This is the advice my DH always gives right away to anyone in an accident. He's an attorney for an insurance company working with large commercial claims so he is well aware that an insurance company will try to get you to settle and sign-off on a claim right away before you have too much time to think.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 12, 2014 15:08:26 GMT
If you were not at fault, your insurance should also seek repayment of your deductible for you. Stay on top of them, it's their job.
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Post by eebud on Aug 12, 2014 15:47:17 GMT
When I am a claimant, I always go directly to the other person's insurance. I don't call my insurance unless I am having issues with the other person's insurance. I want their insurance to deal with everything because they will have to put me in a rental car and pay the claim on my car at the repair shop of my choice. If you are trying to only deal with your insurance and if you don't have rental car coverage, then you will have to pay for your own rental car and hope to get reimbursed. Also, you will have to pay your deductible and again, hope to get reimbursed. As a claimant, you have more pull than you do as the insured when you deal with their company. The insurance adjuster will want to settle with you as quickly as they can and hope to avoid a lawsuit. This does not mean they are trying to screw you over either. Again, remember, as a claimant, you have the pull.........That said, insurance works differently in some states and I don't know where you are or if it is different in your state.
When I totaled a car years ago, I was told to look in the newspaper for my year car with my car's features and see how much people were asking. I was told that I could expect about that amount. I did this and found 3 cars very close in features to mine that were the same year. My offer was exactly the average of those 3 cars so I considered it a very fair offer. I would have no problem replacing my car with a like car. If you have a loan on your car, the balance of your loan has nothing to do with the value of your car. If you are upside down on your loan, insurance still only pays the value of your car. There is gap insurance and things like that today that can cover that difference but I don't think most people have that coverage.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Aug 12, 2014 15:56:38 GMT
It is pretty standard advice from an insurance company. Your insurance company told you to try through the other company first to save you from paying your deductible up front. You can use your own insurance and ask them to subrogate the claim for you, but you are responsible for your collision deductible up front until the other insurance carrier has accepted liability and paid the claim. At that point, your company will cut a check back to you for your deductible. Because claims can take months or years to subrogate, if the other company is accepting liability from the start and processing your claim fairly, it's best to use them.
We all complain about our rates going up. The costs associated with subrogation play into your premiums, too. If everyone goes through their own company, forcing the company to expand their staffing, those costs are passed along to policyholders.
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 12, 2014 15:58:41 GMT
I was in my first major accident yesterday, not my fault I was ran into. I've called my insurance company they said call his so I did. This happened in the late afternoon so they took my info and a claims adjuster will be calling me sometime today. There will be no fixing my car the rear drivers side wheel was sheared off, I'm sure they'll total it. I wouldn't feel safe driving it if they try and tell me it's fixable. My question is when looking at the value of my car, it was an 05 Dodge Magnum, Kelly Blue Book comes up with a price between 8,000 and 10,000 grand but in looking to buy a used car same make and model it seems to be starting at 10,000. I'm sure his company is going to try and give me the lowest price they can. I guess what I'm asking is am I just screwed? Will I have to make up the difference to replace the car. I had to do this a couple of times last fall and the very best way to get the most value out of your car is to locate a comparable model/year for the highest price you can find. I had to expand my search from local to national since no one was selling a 1994 Ford Ranger with 70,000 original miles on it - nothing comparable at all. I found four or five different ones that were similar (within two years either way) miles for no less than $4,000.00. My insurance company originally offered me $1,400 for my truck...lol! I got $4,800.00 for it and gave them the comparables to show the other insurance company so they could collect their money back from them. Same thing with my '92 Suburban...it was a speciality model and my DD had wrecked it so, that one was on us. Insurance came back with a shit offer $1,200.00...I found several comparables (again, looking nationally) and they gave me $4,400.00. Never settle for their first offer. Find other comparable used car listings that are high value. Submit those to your insurance agent. BTW, your agent told you to call the other insurance co? My agent handled the whole thing for us...we still have a couple of pending issues (reimbursements, time lost from work, etc) but in regards to vehicle replacement, our agent was a champ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 20:06:38 GMT
I am surprised your insurance told you to call their insurance. I have been in two accidents (both not my fault) and have only talked to the other insurance when they called me to answer some questions. In that instance, my car was totaled. I think it depends on what kind of coverage you have on your vehicle. This just happened last weekend to my boyfriend. A jackhole made a left turn in front of him at an intersection (said jackhole never even checked to see if anyone was coming) and BF plowed into him, totaling both cars. But BF was driving a 2001 Saturn with 150k miles on it. He didn't have collision coverage and thus, his insurance company told him to deal with the jackhole's insurance directly. If he had collision, his insurance company would have paid out and they would have went after the jackhole's insurance company for reimbursement. We have full coverage insurance. On the bright side I've been released from jury duty completely. I did go to urgent care and they think I just have normal stiffness and soreness. But they prescribed messages, I didn't know that could be prescribed.
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Post by GiantsFan on Aug 12, 2014 23:46:48 GMT
First I'm sorry about your accident and I hope you're OK.
My aunt recently had to have her car totaled due to an accident (also not her fault) and the other insurance company tried to give her a low price. Her son found three comparable used cars that were the same make and model, and within two years of hers that were currently for sale in the same state. Apparently the insurance company was using a national average, but she lives in a high cost area. She kept arguing and the insurance ended up writing her a check for the average of the comps her son provided which ended up being $3000 higher than they were originally going to give her.
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Aug 13, 2014 0:00:46 GMT
A dude with an outstanding warrant, who was drunk, killed my van back in February. It was originally filed under my insurance because it was initially deemed my fault. Upon further investigation, it was declared his. (He fled the scene. It's a long story.) Anyway, my insurance is State Farm. They compiled a report of what it would take to replace my van with something similar. Including, but not limited to, mileage, features, year, etc. I countered with my own findings. They met me half way. We finally agreed on an amount that was fair. Now State Farm is in the midst of going after the other driver's insurance company. We are still out our deductible at the hospital and for the van. We'll get that back eventually.
Don't assume the worst. Stand up for yourself. Don't take their first offer. Good luck! Glad you're okay.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 13, 2014 0:17:39 GMT
my son's car was totaled just after I put $2000 in repairs in it. I showed that to the insurance company (car was totaled) and we got more money.
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Post by angiet on Aug 13, 2014 3:36:00 GMT
The reason that your insurance told you to call the other parties insurance company may be to save you from having to initially pay your collision deductible. The insurance company has to have "an insurable interest" to be able to represent you, at least ours does, which is one of the biggest companies in the country.
Even if the accident was clearly not your fault, it may have to be filed under the collision portion of your policy. Fault will be determined and your company will subrogate to the other company. The process can take several months. We often suggest to our insured to file with the other company to keep our insured from having to come up with their $500 or $1000 deductible, if they didn't have to. If the other company is a good one, it isn't usually a problem. Occasionally, the aggravation from dealing with another company it is worth it for our insured to go ahead and file with us to get the ball rolling.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 13, 2014 4:12:51 GMT
I got rear ended not too long ago. I called my insurance, state farm, and they told me I didn't need to call them unless I needed something. I wasn't impressed either.
The guy who hit me had reported it to his insurance, allstate, and that rep called me less than 2 hours after and was offering help.
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