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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 25, 2016 0:29:54 GMT
So we went to Christmas Eve services today at noon (I KNOW, early, eh?) but besides that.. we get to church and it is a big church, a huge church. We are waiting to get through the doors and we get in and find our seats. No biggie. I try to get into a certain section but if I am in the area, I'm good. I like the first row because of the extra leg room.. . but we didn't get them, which is fine. The family in front of me, there was four of them. They were saving over 16 seats for family members. I try not to judge, but sitting there and watching them the way they acted I was getting a little pissed. Not a lot but a little. Then they make a big show of it and then when the family shows up, which is late is now interrupting the music... again, it wasn't that 'bad' but now I am getting a little more irritated.
I understand the need to save seats, but I guess I would never have the guts to save 16 seats!!! I might save one for my husband if he was parking.. but if family members want to join us, they need to be there as well. I am not saving an entire section while everyone is giving me the stare down.
Maybe it is normal and I need to get over it.. but maybe it was extreme and I had a right to be a little put off since I originally wanted to sit in that row (which again, NO big deal)
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Post by AngieJoy on Dec 25, 2016 0:34:28 GMT
No...that's crazy rude. We would never save more than 2 or 3 seats. 16 people aren't really sitting "together" anyway...
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Post by chaosisapony on Dec 25, 2016 0:38:08 GMT
Saving a couple of seats is ok. Saving 16 seats at a busy event is not ok.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 25, 2016 0:38:39 GMT
We got to church early one Easter and saved over 10 seats; all for elderly family members who normally don't get out. Don't care if people judged us; some of those members have passed on and that memory of us all sitting together is special. Someone even took a picture.
I go to church for the experience, not for the seats. So no, it wouldn't bother me one bit.
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Post by auntkelly on Dec 25, 2016 0:39:03 GMT
I think saving 16 seats at a crowded church service is rude, especially when the ones for whom the seats are being saved show up late. I think if that many people want to sit together they should all show up really early.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 25, 2016 0:39:29 GMT
Saving a couple of seats is ok. Saving 16 seats at a busy event is not ok. Especially if they aren't going to be on time
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 25, 2016 0:46:39 GMT
Rude to save that many seats, rude to greet each other if service is starting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 0:47:32 GMT
Saving that many seats doesn't bother me as much as those coming in late and disrupting the event. What bothers me even more than this is when I show up on time and am asked to move over so someone can have their friends sit with them. I don't mind making room if there is room available. But please don't expect me to squish my family together to the point where we can't even sit comfortably.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 25, 2016 0:51:34 GMT
We got to church early one Easter and saved over 10 seats; all for elderly family members who normally don't get out. Don't care if people judged us; some of those members have passed on and that memory of us all sitting together is special. Someone even took a picture. I go to church for the experience, not for the seats. So no, it wouldn't bother me one bit. That's nice for you and yours. Maybe other families couldn't sit together because of seat savers. But hey, at church, who really cares about other people anyway? It's all about the experience you have -isn't that what you said? Could your family have arrived together? Or fairly close together? I would like to sit with my family too but saving seats not so elderly people can be helped in from the car but so people can arrive late and disrupt is  Seat savers usually don't save the back seats either - always right up front. I wonder if anyone ever sits in the saved seats and ignores the fact they are supposedly saved.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 25, 2016 0:53:24 GMT
I think it's rude especially on a major holiday. If there is going to be that big of a group, plan it better. Show up early, make carpool arrangements. I also don't get why everyone must be in the same section when it's that many people. That probably comes from growing up in a church where big families were the norm. You show up late, sucks to be you. You're in the back sitting on folding chairs.  People will move in on your saved seats.
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 25, 2016 0:54:26 GMT
I'm going to go with maybe. If those 16 seat savers are taking up pews in the front sections, then yes, I think it would be considered in poor form. On the other hand, if you sit further back and save seats-particularly if people are going to be late-in the back where it is less disruptive, then I would say less of a problem. How's that for indecisive?
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 25, 2016 1:03:29 GMT
We got to church early one Easter and saved over 10 seats; all for elderly family members who normally don't get out. Don't care if people judged us; some of those members have passed on and that memory of us all sitting together is special. Someone even took a picture. I go to church for the experience, not for the seats. So no, it wouldn't bother me one bit. That's nice for you and yours. Maybe other families couldn't sit together because of seat savers. But hey, at church, who really cares about other people anyway? It's all about the experience you have -isn't that what you said? Could your family have arrived together? Or fairly close together? I would like to sit with my family too but saving seats not so elderly people can be helped in from the car but so people can arrive late and disrupt is  Seat savers usually don't save the back seats either - always right up front. I wonder if anyone ever sits in the saved seats and ignores the fact they are supposedly saved. Who said we didn't arrive close together? You're reading into my post what you want to read. Who said they arrived late?? Again, reading what you want. Since we didn't all live together, no, we can't arrive together. Some people traveled five minutes that Easter, some an hour. Two were in wheelchairs, one in a walker, all over 80, two over 90. I don't feel bad for saving seats on a busy holiday so my then 96 year old great aunt could sit with her brother and sisters. but I've also moved seats so families could sit together. Because yes, church is about the experience for me, and part of that experience is worshiping with family I know have limited time left to be able to do so with me, whether it is my family or yours.
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Post by annabella on Dec 25, 2016 1:20:38 GMT
I just got home from Christmas eve service and dinner. My church has 1450 seats, the service started at 5pm, by 4:30 most seats were taken. The service was a children's program, so no sermon, just children acting out the Nativity and songs in between. I think one row could fit 10 people max and my row was full. I noticed in front and behind me each row had coats on the benches at the end. I kept seeing people come up to them and I asked politely and with a smile if the seats were taken and I admired how gracefully they accepted that those seats were being saved. Everyone is actually showing up today and has extended family in town, so everyone is coming is different cars, and I don't see the big deal with wanting to sit together on Christmas.
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Post by mcscrapper on Dec 25, 2016 1:36:22 GMT
Saving that many seats is rude. I especially find it rude that the people arriving late are disruptive to the service or performance. There was a very large family at our former church daycare and whenever we'd have a Christmas or Easter performance the mom would save about that many seats all on the front rows - like straight across the whole front. There would be aunts, uncles, cousins and all the grandparents right there all up front. It used to just infuriate me that other parents couldn't have a prime spot to watch their own kids. I think the day care finally said that people could only save 4 seats at a time. I get saving a few seats for the person dropping you off, a husband / wife coming in after work, or something along those lines but SIXTEEN seats is just rude.
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Post by Linda on Dec 25, 2016 2:31:30 GMT
saving seats while someone stops in the restroom or parks the car or is helped in (walker/wheelchair) - no problem.
Coming early and saving seats for people showing up closer to the start time - eh...I wouldn't do it but...
Saving seats for people who are coming in after service starts? RUDE
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Post by JustTricia on Dec 25, 2016 2:46:47 GMT
It depends. Saving 16 seats for people who come to church every Sunday? Fine by me.
Saving 16 seats for people who only show up on Christmas and Easter, thereby making the regulars stand, jerks.
I hate the fact that regulars have to arrive half hour to an hour early just to have seats. Especially because the church I'm going to tonight has cut down from three services to two on Sundays because the Mass is half empty. (All of this being said, I'm one of those jerks that never attends Mass but will be tonight. Had my BIL not died last week and my niece and sister weren't going to Mass, I wouldn't be, either.)
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Post by disneypal on Dec 25, 2016 2:56:04 GMT
Saving one or two seats is fine but 16!!! I am sorry, but that is ridiculous - if they want that many seats together, they ALL need to get there earlier. Yes, it was rude
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Post by secondlife on Dec 25, 2016 3:23:49 GMT
For my part, as annoying as it is... at least the seats are saved and they aren't trying to find 16 seats together once everyone else has arrived.
You don't make regulars out of Christmas-and-Easter visitors by fussing that they saved some seats for their family.
Additionally in my opinion it would not be in keeping with the Jesus who made himself nothing and was born in humility to fuss (outwardly or inwardly) that someone saved some seats for their family.
I just got home from church and it was overfull. We had music 45 minutes beforehand and by the time that began the church was almost full. Folks who arrived "on time" for the service and not the prelude had a hard time finding a seat. How beautiful that so many people had friends and family with them, and so many visited, that the church was overfull. The line for Santa was two hours long yesterday and I love that that many people also lined up to see Jesus. Yes, some people saved primo seats. What would we actually do about it without being inhospitable?
Last Easter some people came in late and crowded into the row with me and my kid, stuffed six people in where four would have sat comfortably. I was so uncomfortable that we stood in the back the whole service. I resented it.
And then God put his finger on it and told me it wasn't about me. It was about Him and those people came to see Him too. Maybe they weren't very mannerly about it, but it isn't my house and that isn't my concern. All these years God has worked on me about wanting to be first and have my way. That Easter was no different.
I am not trying to be holier than thou here - just sharing something that God said to me about this once when I was being pissy about seating in church.
Tonight I got to church - alone, sad and a little wobbly due to a recent death in the family, and I needed a warm greeting and a chance to see Jesus. You never know what is happening in someone's life or family. It's okay to let this one go in my opinion.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Dec 25, 2016 3:28:09 GMT
I don't like it, but if everyone shows up before the start of the service (not late causing a disruption), then I can live with it.
If one were to save seats and the folks are late or don't show up at all, then I find it tacky and rude to other attendees.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 25, 2016 3:43:02 GMT
For my part, as annoying as it is... at least the seats are saved and they aren't trying to find 16 seats together once everyone else has arrived. You don't make regulars out of Christmas-and-Easter visitors by fussing that they saved some seats for their family. Additionally in my opinion it would not be in keeping with the Jesus who made himself nothing and was born in humility to fuss (outwardly or inwardly) that someone saved some seats for their family. I just got home from church and it was overfull. We had music 45 minutes beforehand and by the time that began the church was almost full. Folks who arrived "on time" for the service and not the prelude had a hard time finding a seat. How beautiful that so many people had friends and family with them, and so many visited, that the church was overfull. The line for Santa was two hours long yesterday and I love that that many people also lined up to see Jesus. Yes, some people saved primo seats. What would we actually do about it without being inhospitable? Last Easter some people came in late and crowded into the row with me and my kid, stuffed six people in where four would have sat comfortably. I was so uncomfortable that we stood in the back the whole service. I resented it. And then God put his finger on it and told me it wasn't about me. It was about Him and those people came to see Him too. Maybe they weren't very mannerly about it, but it isn't my house and that isn't my concern. All these years God has worked on me about wanting to be first and have my way. That Easter was no different. I am not trying to be holier than thou here - just sharing something that God said to me about this once when I was being pissy about seating in church. Tonight I got to church - alone, sad and a little wobbly due to a recent death in the family, and I needed a warm greeting and a chance to see Jesus. You never know what is happening in someone's life or family. It's okay to let this one go in my opinion. Beautifully said.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 25, 2016 3:45:28 GMT
It depends. Saving 16 seats for people who come to church every Sunday? Fine by me. Saving 16 seats for people who only show up on Christmas and Easter, thereby making the regulars stand, jerks. I hate the fact that regulars have to arrive half hour to an hour early just to have seats. Especially because the church I'm going to tonight has cut down from three services to two on Sundays because the Mass is half empty. (All of this being said, I'm one of those jerks that never attends Mass but will be tonight. Had my BIL not died last week and my niece and sister weren't going to Mass, I wouldn't be, either.) This is the exact attitude many pastors will tell you is the reason people only go twice a year. Why come back for regular service when your considered a "jerk" for making people stand for one, maybe two services?
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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 25, 2016 3:48:42 GMT
Well like I said, it wasn't to big of a deal for me... I just felt bad for the people who kept coming down thinking there were lots of seats. These seats were the front row but up top. So not the VERY front row...
Defiantly not for older people either.. I don't think there is an elevator to the 2nd floor (maybe there is) but the bottom floor has places for wheelchairs, etc.
I didn't get the feeling they were regulars at all. COULD BE, but the pastor was talking at the end and he wanted to start the one candle for Silent Night and let the flame grow. Do people listen? No they started their own flame and then the pastor proceeded to laugh and say, SEE I told you that some people are not listening, then he asked for those lights to go off and NO they still were not listening and doing what they wanted.
But anyways, it isn't about me is it? or anyone else around me.. and yeah I should take that advice and not worry about it!
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Post by ntsf on Dec 25, 2016 3:52:44 GMT
our church is a wander in church.. a typical service people are still wandering in 20 minutes into the service. drives me nuts..but that's the way it is.. I just care people are able to come.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Dec 25, 2016 3:54:12 GMT
Saving 16 seats and then they were late, rude and inconsiderate.
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Post by J u l e e on Dec 25, 2016 4:33:48 GMT
I truly do not care.
(Eta - that sounded rude. I mean it wouldn't bother me.)
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Post by lancermom on Dec 25, 2016 5:10:55 GMT
Depending on event, will depend on who I save seats for. But we have a rule, if there is a reason to save seats, it must be pretty important. Therefore, the people we save for must be twenty minutes early. Yes! Twenty minutes. This means there is no reason for parking, or the long walk, because of parking, could not find us, or any other excuse. We have had to save seats, and turn away people only to have our family late. It is embarrassing. The family has learned through the years that this is best. So far so good. I haven't had to give a seat away.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Dec 25, 2016 5:56:02 GMT
I don't think it's rude to save that many seats as long as you're 100% certain that everyone will show up. During a crowded church servardice available seats can be hard to find. I understand that friends and family members would want to sit together.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Dec 25, 2016 6:09:12 GMT
Our ushers were looking for every square inch of space tonight - I think our overflow room even overflowed. At one point, we had to tell the ushers they couldn't give away the roped off pew that was saved for the acolytes (teenagers helping during the service) since the kids were rotating in and out of the pew as they were needed. I don't think 16 saved seats would have made it past these ushers.
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Post by *leslie* on Dec 26, 2016 1:39:38 GMT
We got to church early one Easter and saved over 10 seats; all for elderly family members who normally don't get out. Don't care if people judged us; some of those members have passed on and that memory of us all sitting together is special. Someone even took a picture. I go to church for the experience, not for the seats. So no, it wouldn't bother me one bit. So, where were the seats saved? lol.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 26, 2016 3:38:40 GMT
It depends. Saving 16 seats for people who come to church every Sunday? Fine by me. Saving 16 seats for people who only show up on Christmas and Easter, thereby making the regulars stand, jerks. I hate the fact that regulars have to arrive half hour to an hour early just to have seats. Especially because the church I'm going to tonight has cut down from three services to two on Sundays because the Mass is half empty. (All of this being said, I'm one of those jerks that never attends Mass but will be tonight. Had my BIL not died last week and my niece and sister weren't going to Mass, I wouldn't be, either.) I used to think that way, but I've really had a change of heart. Like the Pea up thread said, it's not my house and not my place to decide who is and is not worthy of a seat. I'd like to think that the C & E crowd felt welcome and wants to come back again. Maybe for a few weeks, maybe fir a few months. That's ok. We went to mass last night at my parents house and the place was packed to the gills. I noticed how people were sliding to the middle to make room for more. This is the kind of place I want to raise my children--where we welcome others and make room for more.
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