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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 17:06:10 GMT
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One of the reasons the coal miners got so upset with Hillary because she talked about moving away from coal over a period of decades. But she also was for keeping the ACA and fixing the problems. Enter trump who promised to keep and indeed expand coal jobs. So they voted for trump. However these folks, as Greg Sargent wrote in the article below, didn't hear the "fine print" of what trump said about the ACA. Now with trump and Republicans in Congress getting ready to repeal the ACA with no replacement reality is starting to set in for the coal workers. I feel bad for these folks. I know what it's like for those with a chronic illness prior to the ACA who were afraid what would happen if they lost their health care insurance. I have no doubt in the months and years ahead we will get more of these stories of those who voted for trump but didn't hear the "fine print" of what he said and will be hurt by his actions. "The Plum LineOpinion These coal country voters backed Trump. Now they’re worried about losing Obamacare. By Greg Sargent December 27 at 10:40 AM (Mark Lyons/European Pressphoto Agency) Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law. Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame? No. I’m going to argue that, while Trump did repeatedly vow repeal, these voters were absolutely right to conclude that he would not leave them without the sort of federal protections they enjoy under Obamacare. That’s because Trump did, in fact, clearly signal to them that this would not happen. The CNN segment features people who live in Eastern Kentucky coal country and backed Trump because he promised to bring back coal jobs. Now, however, they worry that a provision in the ACA that makes it easier for longtime coal miners with black lung disease to get disability benefits could get eliminated along with the law. That provision shifted the burden of proving that the disability was directly caused by work in the mines away from the victim. Those benefits include financial and medical benefits. Some benefits now also extend to the widows of miners who had black lung disease — or pneumoconiosis, a lung illness associated with inhalation of coal dust — after their husbands die. Other reporting has also confirmed widespread coal country worries about losing these protections. One man who worked in the mines for 35 years told CNN’s Miguel Marquez: “When they eliminate the Obamacare, they may just eliminate all of the black lung program. It may all be gone. Don’t matter how many years you got.” The widow of a deceased miner, who is now trying to get the benefits, said she doesn’t want to see Obamacare repealed, and even suggested Trump may be on the verge of betraying her and others in the region: “If he don’t come across like he promised, he’s not gonna be there next time. Not if I can help it.” But what did Trump actually “promise”? These coal country residents are not quite in the same situation as many of the law’s other beneficiaries, who are currently gaining access to health coverage due to increased federal spending and regulation. But they are all benefiting from increased governmental intervention under the law designed to expand health care and support to lower-income or sick people who were unable to secure it for themselves under the old system. Many of them would lose these benefits if the law is repealed. There is some evidence that many of those people voted for Trump. The Wall Street Journal recently demonstrated that rural, aging, and working class counties that went overwhelmingly for Trump also showed large drops in the uninsured rate. Similarly, Gallup-Healthways data shows that among non-college, lower income whites — a Trump demographic — the uninsured rate has dropped 10 percentage points. Now, obviously, many Trump voters may still not like the flawed aspects of Obamacare, even if it did expand coverage to a lot of them. And many Trump voters may have backed him because of his promise of jobs — which they’d prefer over government as their means to gaining health care. But these coal country voters in the CNN segment were very clear: They don’t want to lose the protections Obamacare grants them. Other reporting has found similar worries in Trump country. Still other reporting has turned up examples of Trump voters who don’t actually believe he’ll take away their Obamacare. Opinions newsletter Thought-provoking opinions and commentary, in your inbox daily. Sign up So what did Trump really tell these voters? Yes, Trump said endlessly that he’d do away with the ACA instantly. Yes, his own replacement plan would leave millions without coverage. But here’s the rub: Trump also went to great lengths to portray himself as ideologically different from most other Republicans on fundamental questions about the proper role of governmental intervention to help poor and sick people without sufficient access to medical care. In January of 2015, Trump said he wanted “to try and help” lower income people get health care, even if it cost him the GOP nomination — signaling a core difference with the GOP on this moral imperative. During the primaries, Trump pointedly told fellow Republicans he would not allow people to “die on the street,” telegraphing that core difference once again. Trump also repeatedly vowed not to touch Medicare, explicitly holding this up as proof he is not ideologically aligned with Paul Ryan on the safety net. As David Leonhardt details, Trump repeatedly demonstrated an ideological willingness to embrace a role for government in expanding health care to, well, all Americans. And so, if many Trump voters didn’t really believe they’d lose protections under President Trump, this was not a crazy calculation to make. Now, Trump and congressional Republicans may indeed end up rolling back protections for millions who voted for him. But if that happens, and these voters do end up feeling betrayed by Trump, they will be right to feel that way — they will, in fact, have been scammed by Trump. Perhaps, like other scam victims, they should have looked more closely at the fine print. But the broad conclusion they reached was a perfectly reasonable one."
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Post by pyccku on Dec 27, 2016 17:18:53 GMT
I said it a long time ago - Trump was the kid running for junior high class president who promised free ice cream every day, no more detention, and replacing math class with an extra recess. People bought into the promises without ever stopping to ask how it was going to happen. And now it comes out that he doesn't actually have the ability to give out ice cream, detention is still an option, and since the math requirement isn't going anywhere, neither is the math class.
I get what the coal miners were upset about. I really do. It sucks when your entire livelihood goes away. But Trump sold them on the idea that he would bring back coal without ever addressing the reasons why coal went away in the first place. It wasn't the immigrants taking their jobs. It was technology making other fuels easier to obtain, cleaner, and more economic than coal. Coal is going to go the way of whale oil. As soon as something better, cheaper and cleaner comes along, fuels get replaced.
It's hard to accept - especially if you are older and don't see yourself finding a new career at this point. But if you are in your 20's/30's/40's and really think that coal will be a viable living until you retire, you're ignoring the economic realities.
Add to that the whole ACA thing, and you have a lot of people who are hurting who are going to be hurting even worse. No job AND no health care? That really sucks. But then again, Trump did run on a platform that he was going to repeal Obamacare and they voted for it, so is it really a surprise?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 27, 2016 17:22:44 GMT
Yep, a big fat liar and cheated on the real American workers.
He's making it so everyone will be so poor and dependent on others.
He's making the gap between rich and poor even greater.
I've always believed that he wanted to be president just so he could gain inner knowledge and workings of the government, and change the rules and laws that have inhibited his business so that in 4 years he can dump America and advance himself and his family.
Nothing Trumpster does is selfless. NOTHING. This is all for himself.
He's going to take those people he inserted into positions back to his businesses once they are out in 4 years.
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Post by amom23 on Dec 27, 2016 17:24:08 GMT
I don't feel a damn bit sorry for anyone who voted for Trump.
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Post by Nink on Dec 27, 2016 17:35:30 GMT
It's not like they didn't know his plans for the ACA before they voted for him.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 27, 2016 17:35:42 GMT
Well, this is what you get when you vote for someone whose entire platform is that intellect is bad.
When you don't value reason, intellect, science, technology, or innovation it is hard to see reality.
Trump can't bring back coal. You can't bring back something that is outdated through government action (although let's take a moment to revel in the irony of how much republicans pretend to hate government action that interferes with business while at the same time voting for Trump promising to bring back coal).
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 27, 2016 17:49:58 GMT
It's not like they didn't know his plans for the ACA before they voted for him. Really! He and his cronies were not keeping it a secret. I grew up in an area that benefitted (benefits) from the oil industry. After the 80s crash there was a real effort to recruit other businesses, attempt to diversify. It's not a total success and didn't happen overnight, but they'll be better off in the next slump. It was difficult, but like tobacco farmers, I would think anyone under the age of 60 knew the industry would change and eventually go away. We're at least 15-20 years away from doing away with coal, if they aren't aware they should be acting now.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 27, 2016 17:55:57 GMT
He said he was going to repeal it, so it's hard to feel bad for them. Obamacare personally did nothing for my kids and their pre existing conditions. They were denied.
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Post by katybee on Dec 27, 2016 18:15:11 GMT
Clean, renewable energy is the future. Despite what the fossil fuel lobby would have us believe. Fossil fuel is a dying industry. Not because of government interference or propaganda--simply because it is becoming cheaper and easier to produce, will never run out and has much less environmental impact. The coal and oil lobby has worked tirelessly over the last decade to convince us otherwise. I'm so happy to see them finally starting to lose... (I am sorry for those workers. But this is reality. We cannot hold onto the past. We have to adapt...) www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-06/wind-and-solar-are-crushing-fossil-fuels
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Dec 27, 2016 18:35:55 GMT
NPR did a good piece on this a few weeks ago. It's alarming the rate at which black lung disease is accelerating and the article talks about the factors involved. Besides the obvious health care component, the other thing I thought about was even if coal jobs remain, Trump is so pro business that I would not be surprised if he lessens regulations and responsibilities of the coal corporations - what incentive do they have to provide safe working environments if they can boost their profits instead? I'm sorry there are people that are sick, but in the end, they are getting exactly what they voted for. If health care was so important to them they should have 1) been informed on the issue 2) voted on that issue. If they felt other issues were more important and voted on those instead, then they can't really complain about losing health care if it wasn't important enough to them to vote on it. www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505577680/advanced-black-lung-cases-surge-in-appalachia?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2043
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Post by basketdiva on Dec 27, 2016 18:39:10 GMT
I'm hoping that what I've read will happen- even if repealed, the actual repeal would be delayed 2-3 years in order to get a replacement plan into place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 18:40:16 GMT
Repealing Obamacare are was part of his platform, so it is not a surprise to anyone. I feel sorry for coal miners and others in our country whose jobs have become obsolete and I understand they are taking the short-term solution.
I guess I'm wondering why someone, somewhere hasn't helped these folks transition to new livelihoods.
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Post by scorpeao on Dec 27, 2016 18:46:14 GMT
I don't feel a damn bit sorry for anyone who voted for Trump. I have a hard time mustering up sympathy for them. Before Trump entered the political scene I could give two shits about politics. I know nothing about them, but I could see through his bullshit. My intelligence is average at best, and even I could see what a disaster he'd be for the country. If you voted for Trump you made your bed, and now you get to lie in it....
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Post by katybee on Dec 27, 2016 18:48:12 GMT
NPR did a good piece on this a few weeks ago. It's alarming the rate at which black lung disease is accelerating and the article talks about the factors involved. Besides the obvious health care component, the other thing I thought about was even if coal jobs remain, Trump is so pro business that I would not be surprised if he lessens regulations and responsibilities of the coal corporations - what incentive do they have to provide safe working environments if they can boost their profits instead? I'm sorry there are people that are sick, but in the end, they are getting exactly what they voted for. If health care was so important to them they should have 1) been informed on the issue 2) voted on that issue. If they felt other issues were more important and voted on those instead, then they can't really complain about losing health care if it wasn't important enough to them to vote on it. www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505577680/advanced-black-lung-cases-surge-in-appalachia?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2043I think the coal mining industry will die a slow death from natural causes. The article I linked says no matter how much they drop prices, demand keeps falling. They cannot drop prices enough. It's mostly developing countries that have an exploding demand for energy that rely on coal. Now--I can see the Trump admin doing some kind of intervention--subsidies, tax cuts, etc. Of course, that would impede a free market, but it seems republicans only favor a unimpeded free market UNTIL it HURTS their interests...
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Post by imsirius on Dec 27, 2016 18:49:39 GMT
I totally believe this and said it to my DH during the campaign.
Trump is for Trump..bottom line. People should have known this.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 27, 2016 20:02:12 GMT
Well, this is what you get when you vote for someone whose entire platform is that intellect is bad. When you don't value reason, intellect, science, technology, or innovation it is hard to see reality. Trump can't bring back coal. You can't bring back something that is outdated through government action (although let's take a moment to revel in the irony of how much republicans pretend to hate government action that interferes with business while at the same time voting for Trump promising to bring back coal). Very good point, succinctly made!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 27, 2016 20:32:19 GMT
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One of the reasons the coal miners got so upset with Hillary because she talked about moving away from coal over a period of decades. But she also was for keeping the ACA and fixing the problems. Enter trump who promised to keep and indeed expand coal jobs. So they voted for trump. However these folks, as Greg Sargent wrote in the article below, didn't hear the "fine print" of what trump said about the ACA. Now with trump and Republicans in Congress getting ready to repeal the ACA with no replacement reality is starting to set in for the coal workers. I feel bad for these folks. I know what it's like for those with a chronic illness prior to the ACA who were afraid what would happen if they lost their health care insurance. I have no doubt in the months and years ahead we will get more of these stories of those who voted for trump but didn't hear the "fine print" of what he said and will be hurt by his actions."The Plum LineOpinion These coal country voters backed Trump. Now they’re worried about losing Obamacare. By Greg Sargent December 27 at 10:40 AM (Mark Lyons/European Pressphoto Agency) Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law. Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame? Perhaps, like other scam victims, they should have looked more closely at the fine print. But the broad conclusion they reached was a perfectly reasonable one." This happens all the time on both sides. Voters don't always listen to everything that is being said OR those voted in change their position on things. My MIL voted for president Obama and then complained after he was elected because he supported abortion. Well he never hid that he was pro choice. She either didn't pay attention or didn't want to see it. Deleted most of the article in your post just because it would make my quote too long 
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Dec 27, 2016 20:36:15 GMT
Repealing Obamacare are was part of his platform, so it is not a surprise to anyone. I feel sorry for coal miners and others in our country whose jobs have become obsolete and I understand they are taking the short-term solution. I guess I'm wondering why someone, somewhere hasn't helped these folks transition to new livelihoods. Maybe they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps? I'm not sure why people who want smaller government and to do away with government programs expect the government to come in and solve their problems?
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 27, 2016 20:47:01 GMT
I've never known a candidate who's platform meshed 100% with my beliefs; I can understand why someone can vote for a President and then disagree with 1-2 policies. But it's hard to be sympathetic to an organization or group, like the miners, who completely overlooked a major issue in order to focus on their one, self serving, interest. Thanks for link pudgygroundhog DH has been talking about those segments and I've missed them.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Dec 27, 2016 21:57:13 GMT
I've never known a candidate who's platform meshed 100% with my beliefs; I can understand why someone can vote for a President and then disagree with 1-2 policies. But it's hard to be sympathetic to an organization or group, like the miners, who completely overlooked a major issue in order to focus on their one, self serving, interest. Thanks for link pudgygroundhog DH has been talking about those segments and I've missed them. I agree - I think we've all been in that boat. You have to choose what issues are most important to you when you vote. I read another article about voters in Kentucky (many of which rely on the Medicaid expansions provided under the ACA) and it said many went to the polls to vote on gay marriage and abortion. That is certainly their right - but then they can't be surprised or devastated that they might lose their health insurance if it wasn't an issue they were willing to vote on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 22:41:28 GMT
This happens all the time on both sides. Voters don't always listen to everything that is being said OR those voted in change their position on things. My MIL voted for president Obama and then complained after he was elected because he supported abortion. Well he never hid that he was pro choice. She either didn't pay attention or didn't want to see it. Deleted most of the article in your post just because it would make my quote too long That is true. But in this case not only did some just hear what they wanted to hear they totally ignored the man himself. People, on both sides, have traditionally gone with the candidate who promises them what they feel best fits their beliefs. Or what they need to hear. Like more jobs. And Then there is disappointment. This year too many were blinded, IMO, by that shiny object named trump. Here was a bigger then life "successful" businessman who told these folks what they wanted to hear. Maybe, they thought, he can do for them what he did for himself. But unfortunately they were so blinded by the shiny objected they ignored the actions of the man. And that is what I have a problem with. The actions of the man. Or a better description might be his temperament. I don't care, if as president, he brings back all these wonderful jobs. It's not going to do much good if he starts WWIII because of a tweet. Because, more than likely, it will be a war involving nukes which would give us a heck of a lot more to worry about than having a good job. Never before has there been a president where there are legitimate concerns about his temperament like there are with trump. And since he was elected president he has done absolutely nothing to alleviate those concerns. If anything he has increased those concerns. It is unfortunate there is a segment of the population that is dismissing these concerns because you know, they won.
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Post by ntsf on Dec 27, 2016 23:17:07 GMT
I saw an article today that talked about how paul ryan is trying to aca repealed as fast as he can, before people realize the consequences of that action means to their individual health care.. that if they knew more about it.. the general public would be howling in anger.. and that this will affect protections for people who get health care from their employers.. as well as others.. and that the insurance companies are going to run away... after 6 years, the republicans do not have a priced out alternative plan for health care...
the democrats are willing to let the republicans take the total blame.. the aca is not perfect.. but it could have been improved with cooperation and that boat has left the dock..
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Post by Merge on Dec 28, 2016 1:07:33 GMT
Repealing Obamacare are was part of his platform, so it is not a surprise to anyone. I feel sorry for coal miners and others in our country whose jobs have become obsolete and I understand they are taking the short-term solution. I guess I'm wondering why someone, somewhere hasn't helped these folks transition to new livelihoods. Maybe they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps? I'm not sure why people who want smaller government and to do away with government programs expect the government to come in and solve their problems? This - and the reality is that there ARE many programs out there to re-train people who have lost their jobs. My husband teaches Six Sigma classes and oversees projects for people who have been laid off in the space and oil/gas industries in our area at a local community college, through a federal grant funded by the Obama administration. That grant and his teaching of the class is responsible for putting literally hundreds of unemployed/underemployed people back to work in our area. Similar grants are funding work training programs at all skill levels all over the country. BUT people have to be willing to go where the jobs are, and that can be a hard thing for people who have lived in one place their whole life, whose family lives there, etc. I'm sympathetic to that up to a point, but as someone who migrated twelve hundred miles from home to go where the jobs were in 1997, it's only up to a point. DH and I didn't move to Houston because we thought it would be super fun. We were looking to feed ourselves and pay our bills, end of story. Coal mining and manufacturing families may have to make the same sacrifice to stay employed. It didn't kill me and it won't kill them.
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Post by basketdiva on Dec 28, 2016 1:49:32 GMT
Maybe they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps? I'm not sure why people who want smaller government and to do away with government programs expect the government to come in and solve their problems? This - and the reality is that there ARE many programs out there to re-train people who have lost their jobs. My husband teaches Six Sigma classes and oversees projects for people who have been laid off in the space and oil/gas industries in our area at a local community college, through a federal grant funded by the Obama administration. That grant and his teaching of the class is responsible for putting literally hundreds of unemployed/underemployed people back to work in our area. Similar grants are funding work training programs at all skill levels all over the country. BUT people have to be willing to go where the jobs are, and that can be a hard thing for people who have lived in one place their whole life, whose family lives there, etc. I'm sympathetic to that up to a point, but as someone who migrated twelve hundred miles from home to go where the jobs were in 1997, it's only up to a point. DH and I didn't move to Houston because we thought it would be super fun. We were looking to feed ourselves and pay our bills, end of story. Coal mining and manufacturing families may have to make the same sacrifice to stay employed. It didn't kill me and it won't kill them. Easier said than done about moving to where the jobs. You need money to go look for a new job, money to get a new place to live ( because if everyone is leaving an area due to no jobs you won't be able to sell your current home) and hopefully there are jobs available.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Dec 28, 2016 2:15:14 GMT
This - and the reality is that there ARE many programs out there to re-train people who have lost their jobs. My husband teaches Six Sigma classes and oversees projects for people who have been laid off in the space and oil/gas industries in our area at a local community college, through a federal grant funded by the Obama administration. That grant and his teaching of the class is responsible for putting literally hundreds of unemployed/underemployed people back to work in our area. Similar grants are funding work training programs at all skill levels all over the country. BUT people have to be willing to go where the jobs are, and that can be a hard thing for people who have lived in one place their whole life, whose family lives there, etc. I'm sympathetic to that up to a point, but as someone who migrated twelve hundred miles from home to go where the jobs were in 1997, it's only up to a point. DH and I didn't move to Houston because we thought it would be super fun. We were looking to feed ourselves and pay our bills, end of story. Coal mining and manufacturing families may have to make the same sacrifice to stay employed. It didn't kill me and it won't kill them. Easier said than done about moving to where the jobs. You need money to go look for a new job, money to get a new place to live ( because if everyone is leaving an area due to no jobs you won't be able to sell your current home) and hopefully there are jobs available. You're right - it is easier said than done. But I also don't get what these people expect the government to do -- they've essentially voted against safety nets that are there to help them - health insurance or potentially federally funded programs like SNAP. Any kind of governmental assistance needs to be paid for - whether it is retraining or corporate subsidies to keep jobs around. Where does that money come from, especially when we have an administration that IMHO is more interested in protecting the bottom line and interests for big business?
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Post by Merge on Dec 28, 2016 3:15:19 GMT
This - and the reality is that there ARE many programs out there to re-train people who have lost their jobs. My husband teaches Six Sigma classes and oversees projects for people who have been laid off in the space and oil/gas industries in our area at a local community college, through a federal grant funded by the Obama administration. That grant and his teaching of the class is responsible for putting literally hundreds of unemployed/underemployed people back to work in our area. Similar grants are funding work training programs at all skill levels all over the country. BUT people have to be willing to go where the jobs are, and that can be a hard thing for people who have lived in one place their whole life, whose family lives there, etc. I'm sympathetic to that up to a point, but as someone who migrated twelve hundred miles from home to go where the jobs were in 1997, it's only up to a point. DH and I didn't move to Houston because we thought it would be super fun. We were looking to feed ourselves and pay our bills, end of story. Coal mining and manufacturing families may have to make the same sacrifice to stay employed. It didn't kill me and it won't kill them. Easier said than done about moving to where the jobs. You need money to go look for a new job, money to get a new place to live ( because if everyone is leaving an area due to no jobs you won't be able to sell your current home) and hopefully there are jobs available. You're absolutely right. It's something those folks should have in mind when they and their fellow Trump voters want to start spouting off about "welfare queens," "freeloaders" and the like. It is hard as hell to gain full time employment with a living wage, without having some money already in the bank, and when various circumstances are already stacked against you. I remember several months ago there was a thread asking liberals what we would do if Trump won, and my answer was something along the lines of indulge in some serious schadenfreude as shit started to fall all around us. It would be easy, now, to take some grim joy in the misfortunes of others brought on by their own misguided choices ... but I find I don't have the taste for it, after all. Part of spending the next four years fighting a Trump administration is going to have to be spent saving the people who voted for him from their own error, by fighting to keep healthcare for everyone and keep our social safety nets in place.
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Post by winogirl on Dec 28, 2016 3:31:55 GMT
And he's not even in office yet. This is just the tip of the iceberg and we're on the Titanic.
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Post by casii on Dec 28, 2016 3:40:16 GMT
I'm curious what percentage of trump voters these coal miners are. I'm fairly certain the remainder of trump voters don't care that they may be losing safeguards because, you know, they won.
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Post by elaine on Dec 28, 2016 3:51:15 GMT
And then the steel workers will be devastated when those jobs don't miraculously appear and they don't have healthcare coverage.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Dec 28, 2016 4:24:45 GMT
Easier said than done about moving to where the jobs. You need money to go look for a new job, money to get a new place to live ( because if everyone is leaving an area due to no jobs you won't be able to sell your current home) and hopefully there are jobs available. You're absolutely right. It's something those folks should have in mind when they and their fellow Trump voters want to start spouting off about "welfare queens," "freeloaders" and the like. It is hard as hell to gain full time employment with a living wage, without having some money already in the bank, and when various circumstances are already stacked against you. Yes, the "welfare queens" and "freeloaders" are my favorites. Which often is just code for black people in cities. Did you read "Hillbilly Elegy"? He talks about this - many of the people he knew on welfare thought they deserved it or they didn't count as the "welfare queens" they often criticized. I also love "liberals don't work", which I've seen more than once on Facebook.
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