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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 11, 2017 23:58:24 GMT
nope- I was simply pointing out the fact that NEITHER were proven, therefore either neither should have been brought up that close to the election, or BOTH should have been. There is NO WAY that this stuff did NOT influence the election. Comey should have never had the press conference in August to begin with - or as Matthew Miller put it (former Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee) |
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Post by pjaye on Jan 12, 2017 1:23:20 GMT
23 mins in and I've lost the will to live.
WTF is up with making little circles with his thumb and forefinger and flapping his arms constantly?
Who makes those sorts of gestures when giving important speeches, I'll bet that's not in any public speaking course. He looks like a fool doing that and it reeks of sarcasm. He's really bad at public speaking, probably because he's been the boss for so long that no-one ever criticizes him...or if they do they're fired.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 1:40:22 GMT
23 mins in and I've lost the will to live.
WTF is up with making little circles with his thumb and forefinger and flapping his arms constantly?
Who makes those sorts of gestures when giving important speeches, I'll bet that's not in any public speaking course. He looks like a fool doing that and it reeks of sarcasm. He's really bad at public speaking, probably because he's been the boss for so long that no-one ever criticizes him...or if they do they're fired.
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 12, 2017 2:00:07 GMT
As a teacher, I am REALLY going to miss a president who uses good and proper English! At least good sentence structure!!! I am not a teacher, but I completely agree with you!! Watching Obama speak last night had me in tears because I knew that would be the last time in 4 years that I would be able to hear our nation's leader speak to us using proper English. I had the Senate hearings on all day and was struck at how intellectual and proper they all were. Not that I expected otherwise, but the difference was astounding. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 12, 2017 2:09:47 GMT
Okay. So, CNN is saying they were reporting on the fact that Trump was presented with unverified memos (damaging info about Trump) alongside the Russian hacking reports, not that they were detailing the content of the memos. I can see why Trump would be presented with this stuff...i.e. potential leverage. Then Buzzfeed publishes the unverified memos in detail, basically lighting a match to the pile and now we have this trash fire...is that about right? I'm uncertain about the motive behind CNN reporting on unsubstantiated portions of a story like that though. The cynic in me says they did because they knew the whole document was floating out there and if they put a spotlight on it, it would get massive attention and they could claim "we just reported on it's existence, we didn't put the details out there!" On the other hand...Trump is obviously deflecting so...  From what I've been able to decipher, CNN reported that T had been given a 2 pg addition to the briefing report, that contained concerns about Russian potential blackmail. Buzzfeed is the one who "released" the supposed 36pg document & what it supposedly contains. I was shocked & disappointed that the entire press corps didn't walk out. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 12, 2017 2:12:42 GMT
Disregarding ALL of the salacious items in these reports, the ONE thing I want an answer to is WHY this information was sat on prior to the election? It is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than the Wikileaks emails on Hillary that were so conveniently paraded out. This just continues to shadow this administration in corruption. *cough*Comey*cough*cough* |
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Post by pjaye on Jan 12, 2017 2:12:57 GMT
Well, I wish I could've skipped that!
But after watching the whole thing, at least I've seen and heard it first hand so I can make up my own mind.
That was so cringe worthy to watch and if he continues to make speeches like this he's going to be a laughing stock on the world stage.
The part where he got into a pissing match with the reporter was disturbing.
LOL @"cobra hands" I haven't heard it called that before. I'll have to look up those tweets later.
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Post by annabella on Jan 12, 2017 2:24:35 GMT
I could only watch a few minutes and was impressed with how calm and normal he seemed. But with his track record how can I believe everything he is saying? Can he single handedly take credit for car companies not moving out of the country by his actions in the last month?
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Post by eleezybeth on Jan 12, 2017 2:34:33 GMT
All I can imagine is Loren Michaels and the writers at Saturday Night Live are having a hard time making a parody out of a parody. Please, please tell me it was a parody.
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Post by imsirius on Jan 12, 2017 2:35:04 GMT
I could only watch a few minutes and was impressed with how calm and normal he seemed. But with his track record how can I believe everything he is saying? Can he single handedly take credit for car companies not moving out of the country by his actions in the last month? No he can't. The car companies have already stated as FACT that they had these plans in place long before he entered the race for the Presidency. |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jan 12, 2017 3:22:37 GMT
Ok, I have never understood why he talks about himself in the third person. It's just weird.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 12, 2017 4:09:28 GMT
23 mins in and I've lost the will to live.
WTF is up with making little circles with his thumb and forefinger and flapping his arms constantly?
Who makes those sorts of gestures when giving important speeches, I'll bet that's not in any public speaking course. He looks like a fool doing that and it reeks of sarcasm. He's really bad at public speaking, probably because he's been the boss for so long that no-one ever criticizes him...or if they do they're fired.
I agree he is not a good public speaker - I am not either but he has some really annoying mannerisms and constantly repeats the same things and says how great he is. I have never seen someone talk like that all the time. I wish he was a better speaker since he is obviously going to be doing a lot of press conferences in the next four years. While I didn't like what Obama was saying all the time I didn't want to stab myself every time he started talking. I was hoping he would start getting better and start acting a bit more polished but I guess not  . Save |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jan 12, 2017 6:12:40 GMT
Very complicated stuff. Translation= You morons can't begin to understand anything. Projection / transference for sure. The third-rate man has judged us all wanting. Every single other being on the planet. ETA: about the applause by staffers- I thought this was reality TV but it is now also sitcom. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 7:03:57 GMT
I am starting to feel like he will be questioned on nothing. I really don't think Congress cares and the ones that do have no power. I don't agree with you about this, but honestly, I do understand the feeling. I felt the same way (as did many Republicans) during the first two years of Obama's presidency. Hearing words like "you have to pass it in order to know what's in it" (Nancy Pelosi's ridiculous plug about Obamacare) hardly inspired confidence nor did the fact that it was passed without a single Republican vote. So, as I said, I don't agree about Congress not caring but I do understand what it's like to feel that way. It's very disheartening. But this country is so polarized that I fear that every four years, one side or the other is going to feel this way. You would be surprised that I can understand you feeling that way with a democratic controlled Congress as well. But Obama NEVER spoke with the vitriol that Trump has and does. I can also 100 % understand people voting for him because they wanted change YET what he is installing in this administration ARE the elite, the 1% rich, the good ole boys network, the big, fat crocodiles. Just seems like a dark cloud rolling in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 7:40:45 GMT
I honestly hope I am wrong and I swear to God I will come back and SAY I was wrong.
But I live in the foreign policy world and my instincts tell me what I hear coming from this incoming administration is not playing well overseas. As tenuous as the world is right now, I am becoming more and more alarmed.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 12, 2017 12:18:59 GMT
All I can imagine is Loren Michaels and the writers at Saturday Night Live are having a hard time making a parody out of a parody. Please, please tell me it was a parody. Honestly? I would love to see them just play the press conference on SNL and not even try to make a parody of it. Just do the exact words from the conference, only with Alec Baldwin reading the lines. Save |
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Post by kibble on Jan 12, 2017 12:32:00 GMT
All I can imagine is Loren Michaels and the writers at Saturday Night Live are having a hard time making a parody out of a parody. Please, please tell me it was a parody. Honestly? I would love to see them just play the press conference on SNL and not even try to make a parody of it. Just do the exact words from the conference, only with Alec Baldwin reading the lines. SaveThat's genius! They could announce that Trump is an unpaid writer before the skit and have Baldwin copy him exactly. Trump would be fuming... |
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Post by eleezybeth on Jan 12, 2017 12:40:55 GMT
All I can imagine is Loren Michaels and the writers at Saturday Night Live are having a hard time making a parody out of a parody. Please, please tell me it was a parody. Honestly? I would love to see them just play the press conference on SNL and not even try to make a parody of it. Just do the exact words from the conference, only with Alec Baldwin reading the lines. Saved That would be awesome!! |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 12, 2017 14:49:25 GMT
Honestly? I would love to see them just play the press conference on SNL and not even try to make a parody of it. Just do the exact words from the conference, only with Alec Baldwin reading the lines. SaveThat's genius! They could announce that Trump is an unpaid writer before the skit and have Baldwin copy him exactly. Trump would be fuming... And probably sue |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 12, 2017 15:47:26 GMT
All I can imagine is Loren Michaels and the writers at Saturday Night Live are having a hard time making a parody out of a parody. Please, please tell me it was a parody. Honestly? I would love to see them just play the press conference on SNL and not even try to make a parody of it. Just do the exact words from the conference, only with Alec Baldwin reading the lines.
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^^^ this would be PERFECT!!! Of course, he and his supporters wouldn't get the joke, but...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2017 16:23:03 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 12, 2017 16:44:17 GMT
^^^ yes, but it's from npr, so it's not credible, because it's liberal media, not 'journalism' right?  
ETA: seriously, I read it-- and it's so freakin' annoying that he and his spokespeople continuously make statements that are so easily fact-checked to be false. And apparently NO ONE can call them on it and get them to admit they misspoke. (or lied- even though they wouldn't call it that, they at least should be able to call it a mistake, if something is so OBVIOUSLY wrong.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 17:10:47 GMT
23 mins in and I've lost the will to live.
WTF is up with making little circles with his thumb and forefinger and flapping his arms constantly?
Who makes those sorts of gestures when giving important speeches, I'll bet that's not in any public speaking course. He looks like a fool doing that and it reeks of sarcasm. He's really bad at public speaking, probably because he's been the boss for so long that no-one ever criticizes him...or if they do they're fired.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like that arm in the air thing. It got to the point that I wanted to take out a machete and cut that damn arm off. It is so distracting. But then maybe that's why he does it to distract from what he is or is not saying. |
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Post by imsirius on Jan 12, 2017 17:14:12 GMT
My DH had a form of childhood epilepsy from a head injury that had his arms doing the same thing until he recovered. He remarked on it while we watched the recap last night. Maybe Trump has a form of epilepsy brought on from a nervous condition.
I see him holding his hands quite tightly in most interviews he does.
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Post by trollie on Jan 12, 2017 21:32:25 GMT
All I can imagine is Loren Michaels and the writers at Saturday Night Live are having a hard time making a parody out of a parody. Please, please tell me it was a parody. Honestly? I would love to see them just play the press conference on SNL and not even try to make a parody of it. Just do the exact words from the conference, only with Alec Baldwin reading the lines. SaveEmail your post to SNL.... Pretty please with sugar.  |
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Post by ahiller on Jan 12, 2017 23:14:20 GMT
There's speculation that the folders filled with papers that were piled on the tables in front of him were blank. Holy hell if it's true. These people are such a shitshow. Putting political beliefs aside, can you imagine these people trying to actually govern?
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Post by imsirius on Jan 12, 2017 23:23:25 GMT
There's speculation that the folders filled with papers that were piled on the tables in front of him were blank. Holy hell if it's true. These people are such a shitshow. Putting political beliefs aside, can you imagine these people trying to actually govern? What? Please say that is false... If it is true...no words. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 13, 2017 0:05:03 GMT
I found this good advice:
"Having known Chris Steele professionally for more than 20 years, we know that one should not question his integrity, excellence and diligence in intelligence work. He knows Russia exceptionally well and has relationships and experience in the country to support this type of analysis. For obvious reasons we assume that he cannot name his sources, but we do not doubt that he will have brought the same professional rigor to this study as he did to his work in the intelligence service.
Does this mean that everything in Chris' dossier is true? No. Intelligence collection and analysis are always subject to error and a range of opinion, including among seasoned colleagues. Aspects of the report may prove to be wrong upon further investigation. Rather the only conclusion we should draw at this point is that the dossier contains serious allegations, was made by a serious and credible intelligence professional, and that the US intelligence community reviewed the material and deemed it worthy of further investigation and chose to include it in the information submitted to President Barack Obama and President-elect Donald Trump.
But there are causes for concern. The first is that the allegations in the dossier are quite serious. Should they be corroborated, it would indicate that Russia's reach and influence over American politics is not only deeper than suspected, but potentially active in the form of leverage against the President-elect and other elected officials.
CNN: Why Trump's 'fake news' claim is wrong
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Second and perhaps indicative of Trump's own concern, we have witnessed a hypersensitive and aggressive reaction from the Trump camp since reports of the dossier emerged. Rather than downplaying the report and simply expressing confidence that the intelligence community investigation will prove it all false, the first reaction of the Trump team has been to attack the news organization that broke the story (CNN), the media site that published the full dossier (BuzzFeed), and the intelligence community decision to include a portion of the material in the presidential briefing. The President-elect went so far as to call CNN "fake news" and to taunt the CNN reporter in Wednesday's press briefing trying to ask him a question. This kind of all-out political attack on respected media that publish something critical of Trump is a troubling autocratic response.
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Equally so, the implication from Trump that his own intelligence community leaders will dismiss such allegations and reports against him indicates a willingness to politicize the intelligence community to serve the interests of the next president. The conclusion that Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian influence operation on the US election is not the invention of leaders but the conclusion of the rank-and-file analysts across the different agencies.
Yet Trump has singled out the leaders and said if the president does not agree with the intelligence, intelligence heads will roll. That is a recipe for disaster in terms of creating distrust between the intelligence community and the Trump administration. It also risks distorting intelligence community assessments to avoid the wrath of political disfavor. All of these are the weaknesses found in unprofessional intelligence services typically found in dictatorships, not the United States.
The media and the intelligence community must not bow to the immense political pressure and threats of retribution coming from the Trump camp. The integrity and independence of both are key to protecting our democracy."
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