caro
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Post by caro on Aug 15, 2014 14:54:20 GMT
I didn't say anything to these teachers because it's a small group, I work with them and I'm a wuss when it comes to confrontation. And the other 9 teachers did not say anything to those 4 either including the director.
Unfortunately, these. 4 set the tone in many a meeting but those meetings are more casual than this one. And of the 4, there is a ringleader and the other three strive to be just like her. The other 10 of us are great to work with !
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Post by travelsoul on Aug 15, 2014 18:23:29 GMT
Ugh... I am a corporate trainer. I deal with this behavior on a daily basis. I have had everyone from entry level to executives in my training classes and have seen inexcusable behavior on all levels. Cell phones are the worst, especially with the execs and upper management. The participants in my class are all being paid to be there so they are expected to give me their undivided attention and I put up with no bull. It is my responsibility to control the room. If it's executives or upper management then I'll ask if a break is needed so that business can be tended to. I give them the benefit of the doubt that that's what they're doing on their phone.
I will say that teaching adults is way harder than teaching kids!
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 15, 2014 18:37:39 GMT
That's just pure bad manners! I don't think I would want them teaching my preschooler if they don't know how to behave in class!
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MerryMom
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Jul 24, 2014 19:51:57 GMT
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 15, 2014 18:40:59 GMT
I teach mandatory child abuse and neglect reporting classes on a regular basis (eight times a year) both the initial six hour required and every 2 years three hour recertification for foster parents and child care providers. I also teach the mandatory four hour every three years for teachers and school personnel.
By far the loudest and least engaged participants are the teachers. Constant talking and whispering, clearly looking at their Iphones and tablets during class, constant texting, etc. I get it, I have to take 36 hours of mandatory training a year, so I get about having to be in trainings that you don't necessarily want to be in. We have 3 10-minute breaks throughout this time. But let's not be rude about it.
After two hours of this, (I had been waiting on their principal to say something to them during a break) and it did not improve. I had even tried the "walking around the room and stand right behind them" technique, the repeat announcement about talking and not texting during training... not any better. As a trainer, you are stuck with "How do I address this without shaming anyone?" So when it started back up, I just stopped talking, stood there and looked at them, once they figured out it had gotten quiet, they looked up and got quiet. I waited another minute and I said, "If the talking, texting, and internet surfing continues, I will ask those people to leave and they will not get credit for this mandatory class. "
I thought I would get a lot of flak on the class evaluations, but to my surprise, I received a lot of thanks about it.
That type of behavior is rude and one would expect better from teachers who would never tolerate it in their classrooms.
So, lesson learned, and for the past eight years, with teacher trainings (these are our local teachers), I start out with "This is a required training and if, in my opinion, you haven't been paying attention in that I have noticed you constantly texting, Iphone, and tablet surfing, I will not issue the certificate. My rule of thumb is if I notice it more than once, then it is a problem. " I haven't had a problem since.
The class is free, so I could honestly care less whether they take it from me or not. If they don't want to take the class from me, then go ahead and pay $75 to take it on-line through TRECA (which by the way, their district will not reimburse them for since it was offered free of charge). I've had no complaints.
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oldcrow
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Jun 26, 2014 12:25:29 GMT
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Post by oldcrow on Aug 15, 2014 19:10:16 GMT
Should the presenter say something or should the Director have said something? It was a mandatory class for our certification. Either or both. Neither of them seem to have the ability to lead. Personally I probably would have said something myself especially since it was mandatory training. Hope there is a test and they fail.
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sharlag
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Jun 26, 2014 12:57:48 GMT
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Post by sharlag on Aug 15, 2014 19:48:19 GMT
I'm the dweeb who usually wants to actually hear what the instructor is saying.
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IPeaFreely
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Jun 26, 2014 8:32:27 GMT
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Post by IPeaFreely on Aug 15, 2014 19:58:26 GMT
I would have either gone over and told them I couldn't hear and ask them to stop. Or I would have raised my hand and told the teacher that I was having a hard time hearing and if she couldn't stop the chatter could she please start screaming. But I'm a dick like that.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 15, 2014 20:01:33 GMT
What terrible, childish behavior!
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Post by whipea on Aug 15, 2014 21:16:13 GMT
As big portion of my job is higher ed training. I develop programs as well as conduct seminars from one hour to a whole day. Not making excuses for the behaviorally disabled but it is the presenter's responsibility to control the room. Even more important, the session should be meaningful, engaging and interactive. Again, the responsibility falls square on the presenter.
In four years I have thrown people out of seminars two times, one person for grading papers and another person for texting with the sound on during a session. My sessions include professors, deans,campus presidents and other high level administrators. On some occasions people have to leave due to demands beyond their control. It would be unproductive for them to sit in a session with constant distractions and it would disrupt others. In my situation being physically in the room does not count as attendance, but it is measurement and evidence of participant learning that counts, and only that.
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2014 21:43:49 GMT
Multitasking during large group professional development is rife. *shrug*. Talking out loud is not acceptable, but honestly, when you make me sit through six hours of someone reading PowerPoint slides, I'm probably going to spend some of that time on my phone, working on lesson plans or doing something else that is non disruptive. When development sessions are relevant and/or interesting, I'm very attentive. But I think a lot of teachers see doing something else during a pointless, waste of time session as a quiet form of protest. We're required to jump through hoops to differentiate for all students, present engaging lessons and bring real life meaning to our teaching. But the district can't be bothered to do the same. I'm tired of sitting through ELA and math trainings that have zero to do with my subject area. I'm tired of sitting through the same trainings every year. I'm tired of all this pointless crap that detracts from the real business of teaching. Wanna throw me out? Don't threaten me with a good time.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 15, 2014 21:52:26 GMT
Multitasking during large group professional development is rife. *shrug*. Talking out loud is not acceptable, but honestly, when you make me sit through six hours of someone reading PowerPoint slides, I'm probably going to spend some of that time on my phone, working on lesson plans or doing something else that is non disruptive. When development sessions are relevant and/or interesting, I'm very attentive. But I think a lot of teachers see doing something else during a pointless, waste of time session as a quiet form of protest. We're required to jump through hoops to differentiate for all students, present engaging lessons and bring real life meaning to our teaching. But the district can't be bothered to do the same. I'm tired of sitting through ELA and math trainings that have zero to do with my subject area. I'm tired of sitting through the same trainings every year. I'm tired of all this pointless crap that detracts from the real business of teaching. Wanna throw me out? Don't threaten me with a good time. I'll attempt to make my pictures of dirty houses and abusive injuries more "relevant and/or interesting" next time. My bottom line is this...the State of Ohio requires for the person to be present for four hours of training, if you are late or miss more than 10 minutes, then the certificate cannot be issued. If you are physically present, then you need to be mentally present. Would you expect less of YOUR students? Because, (whispers) they probably find your teaching and instruction not relevant nor interesting to their lives too!! So the next time a student in YOUR class is "multi-tasking" (texting) or "inattentive" (surfing the internet) , maybe he or she is staging a "quiet form of protest" because after all, he or she probably feels YOUR class brings no "real life meaning" and is "pointless crap".
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2014 21:58:40 GMT
Multitasking during large group professional development is rife. *shrug*. Talking out loud is not acceptable, but honestly, when you make me sit through six hours of someone reading PowerPoint slides, I'm probably going to spend some of that time on my phone, working on lesson plans or doing something else that is non disruptive. When development sessions are relevant and/or interesting, I'm very attentive. But I think a lot of teachers see doing something else during a pointless, waste of time session as a quiet form of protest. We're required to jump through hoops to differentiate for all students, present engaging lessons and bring real life meaning to our teaching. But the district can't be bothered to do the same. I'm tired of sitting through ELA and math trainings that have zero to do with my subject area. I'm tired of sitting through the same trainings every year. I'm tired of all this pointless crap that detracts from the real business of teaching. Wanna throw me out? Don't threaten me with a good time. I'll attempt to make my pictures of dirty houses and abusive injuries more "relevant and/or interesting" next time. My bottom line is this...the State of Ohio requires for the person to be present for four hours of training, if you are late or miss more than 10 minutes, then the certificate cannot be issued. If you are physically present, then you need to be mentally present. Would you expect less of YOUR students? Because, (whispers) they find your teaching and instruction not relevant and/or interesting to their lives too!! If I ever read PowerPoint slides to my students or teach the same lessons year after year, I won't be surprised when they're inattentive. When my kids aren't paying attention, the first thing I consider is ALWAYS what I'm doing wrong. Is my pace too fast or too slow? Have I failed to make the subject matter relevant to them? Could the lesson be more engaging? Do they already know this material well enough and it's time to move on? "The state requires you to learn this, so sit down and shut up" doesn't fly with my students. If I'm expected to teach engaging lessons and offer differentiated learning experiences, why shouldn't the trainers be required to do so? ETA: I've been on the other side. I gave an hour-long training to my teaching peers yesterday and it was very well received - almost all the attendees were very engaged. And a few people, to whom the material wasn't relevant, checked their phones or did something else in the back of the room. Oh well. I'm certainly not going all super-power-trip on them and taking their names off the sign in sheet. The only person I can control is me, and frankly, if what I was offering wasn't relevant to their classrooms, I'm sympathetic to that. As I was reminded in the Love and Logic full-day training I attended for the third time in five years today, don't set unenforceable expectations. You can't force someone to learn material and certainly aren't going to do so by threatening them. They may sit there and stare at the screen for four hours because you threatened them, but nothing's sinking in. Was your objective really accomplished? If the goal of training is to have compliant robots who sit still for hours and give the appearance of listening, then training serves no purpose. If the goal of training is to convey important, relevant material, then make sure the material is important and relevant, and conveyed in a way that respects the time, knowledge and skill set of the learner.
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caro
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Post by caro on Aug 15, 2014 23:37:21 GMT
This was our scenario yesterday. One hour of presentation with some music 10 min break One hour of music and instrument play
So for one hour these 4 women could not sit still, stop talking, and give respect to the presenter. The other hour was a lot more. "Fun " but they chose to hit each other with the instruments , laugh loudly continually , basically act like the kids they teach.
It's sad to me.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 16, 2014 0:50:41 GMT
How is it gossiping if she didn't identify them? She's just venting.
I've had a similar situation with a couple grown men in my office. I had to ask them to be quiet so I could hear. It's just so unprofessional and rude.
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