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Post by MsKnit on Jan 19, 2017 16:42:45 GMT
Who said it was for the next four years? It's the televised inauguration. One event. I see it as an opportunity for the school to create an assignment for those opting out to consider why they are doing so. It has the potential to be a good learning experience. Where does it end? Opting out now for the Inauguration, later for the State of Union, then for his Impeachment?? It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in that manner, why stifle it? Is it preferable to have automatons who do exactly as they're told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. Editted for atrocious grammar, even if it is too late.
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Post by Peal on Jan 19, 2017 17:26:09 GMT
My kid's schools have never shown inaugurations, or anything else broadcast live, during class time. I don't know if they are going to do so on friday (new school district for us), but I doubt it. DS, 15, is dressing up for it anyway. He is wearing his Red Army hat to school on friday.
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 19, 2017 18:50:08 GMT
My kids are elementary age, so they aren't watching it. However, I'd still be OK with it - Much as I loathe Trump, the fact remains that at roughly this time tomorrow, he will be the president. Ignorance and hiding under the bushes is disingenuous. At high school age, I think it could be appropriate to show it and then have the students do some activity to help them express their thoughts. I'm not a teacher, but the first thing that comes to mind is that it's a good time to be able to practice writing a persuasive essay.
I do agree that a time delay is probably good. I can't help but fear something bad is going to happen, which kids don't need to see in real time. I hope the worst that happens is peaceful protesting.
It is entirely possible that there is different school district administration and different policies now, not necessarily tying into who the president is. I wouldn't necessarily freak that permission was required 8 years ago but not now. I think it's fair to ask the question, though, even if you're just framing it as covering your own rear. "Gee, we had to get permission slips 8 years ago. Is it different now? Can anyone tell me why?"
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 19, 2017 18:56:50 GMT
Where does it end? Opting out now for the Inauguration, later for the State of Union, then for his Impeachment?? It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. Isn't that the same as someone putting fingers in their ears and going, "nananananana I can't hear you". This is why we have a snowflake generation.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 19, 2017 19:06:40 GMT
Where does it end? Opting out now for the Inauguration, later for the State of Union, then for his Impeachment?? It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. The inauguration is a formal ceremony. The inaugural ball is the celebration.
As protests go, skipping the inauguration is a rather limp one, especially since the school is offering him a hall pass. He should probably use that intelligence, logic, and principles to ask himself who is impacted by him opting out of a class - other than his classmates and teacher, who's going to know?
FTR, my automatons will be joining me in the protest on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 19:11:23 GMT
My kids are elementary age, so they aren't watching it. However, I'd still be OK with it - Much as I loathe Trump, the fact remains that at roughly this time tomorrow, he will be the president. Ignorance and hiding under the bushes is disingenuous. At high school age, I think it could be appropriate to show it and then have the students do some activity to help them express their thoughts. I'm not a teacher, but the first thing that comes to mind is that it's a good time to be able to practice writing a persuasive essay. I do agree that a time delay is probably good. I can't help but fear something bad is going to happen, which kids don't need to see in real time. I hope the worst that happens is peaceful protesting. It is entirely possible that there is different school district administration and different policies now, not necessarily tying into who the president is. I wouldn't necessarily freak that permission was required 8 years ago but not now. I think it's fair to ask the question, though, even if you're just framing it as covering your own rear. "Gee, we had to get permission slips 8 years ago. Is it different now? Can anyone tell me why?" This. Just this morning my ds asked if he could stay home tomorrow to watch the Inauguration (he's 16, a sophomore). My dh, who absolutely despises Trump, beat me to saying "absolutely." My ds loves history, and politics, and this is the first time he's old enough to understand and appreciate the "Peaceful Transfer of Power."
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Post by Merge on Jan 19, 2017 19:12:04 GMT
Hmmmm, on one hand you all are telling the left they're going to have to be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right in the future, and on the other hand you're calling "snowflakes" those who simply want to opt out of celebrating the the inauguration of someone whose values they find offensive.
He still gets to be president. Perhaps y'all are the "snowflakes" because you can't handle that everyone isn't either jumping for joy or curled in a fetal position in the corner.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 19, 2017 19:16:29 GMT
Hmmmm, on one hand you all are telling the left they're going to have to be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right in the future, and on the other hand you're calling "snowflakes" those who simply want to opt out of celebrating the the inauguration of someone whose values they find offensive. He still gets to be president. Perhaps y'all are the "snowflakes" because you can't handle that everyone isn't either jumping for joy or curled in a fetal position in the corner. Except I am the left.
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Post by Merge on Jan 19, 2017 20:05:06 GMT
Hmmmm, on one hand you all are telling the left they're going to have to be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right in the future, and on the other hand you're calling "snowflakes" those who simply want to opt out of celebrating the the inauguration of someone whose values they find offensive. He still gets to be president. Perhaps y'all are the "snowflakes" because you can't handle that everyone isn't either jumping for joy or curled in a fetal position in the corner. Except I am the left. I didn't see you telling us we should have been more sensitive to the right in other threads, or calling anyone "snowflakes" here, so I guess this isn't directed at you. 
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 19, 2017 20:10:01 GMT
Where does it end? Opting out now for the Inauguration, later for the State of Union, then for his Impeachment?? It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. If it is part of the curriculum it shouldn't be a celebration but a learning opportunity. I believe in protesting, but I also believe in learning and if we refuse to learn about things we don't like, we are doomed to repeat mistakes. To me it totally depends on how watching the inauguration fits into the curriculum and what the learning objectives are. Based on the email that was posted here..my kid would participate. Great learning comes from understanding your adversaries. The Inauguration is just not the hill I would be willing to die on. ETA: If you are going to protest do it in a meaningful way. Opting out of watching the inauguration on TV is not really much of a protest.
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Post by debmast on Jan 19, 2017 20:12:17 GMT
Some high schools in our district (we have not yet received from my daughter's school) have emailed an "opt out" form for parents who do not want their kids to watch it.
People are all up in arms on FB over it. They seem to have forgotten the same form was sent home for Obama's inauguration, as well as his address to students several years back.
No matter who I support, I have no issue with my kids watching it. It's history. But the folks who are up in arms around here are upset over it being Trump, forgetting that the same happened with Obama.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 21:03:50 GMT
The inauguration isn't a celebration. It's the swearing-in of the new president and vice president. Until the ceremony began being televised, it was really quite simple.
I think it's important for our school children to see how a peaceful transfer of power works. In this age of technology, it's easier than ever before to accomplish that. My children and I have watched the last two inaugurations together and discussed what was happening. One was in first grade, the younger in kindergarten for Obama's first inauguration. They didn't understand much at all, but they did get an idea of what happens when a president takes the oath of office.
We won't be watching tomorrow because we'll be traveling, but if we were going to be home, we'd definitely watch. It's an opportunity for them to observe history from a front-row seat - but out of the cold January weather in DC.
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Post by MsKnit on Jan 19, 2017 21:29:23 GMT
It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. Isn't that the same as someone putting fingers in their ears and going, "nananananana I can't hear you". This is why we have a snowflake generation. No, it definitely is not. And my post was horrendous with all the missing letters and the wrong they're. Geesh!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 19, 2017 21:30:54 GMT
I didn't see you telling us we should have been more sensitive to the right in other threads, or calling anyone "snowflakes" here, so I guess this isn't directed at you. I might not have written it but, for the very first time, I thought it. Well, at least the snowflakes part. I don't really give much of a damn about the feelings of the right. 😉
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 19, 2017 21:38:05 GMT
It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. Isn't that the same as someone putting fingers in their ears and going, "nananananana I can't hear you". This is why we have a snowflake generation. I really hate when people make gross generalizations about different generations.
I read an opinion article today blaming the Boomer generation for Trump's election. The rationales he presented in his opinion piece were STUPID. Because people protested the Viet Nam war we got Trump? One of the dumbest things I've ever read.
There is a huge age range span between my kids, 40, 37, 26, and 17. So I've spent and continue to spend a lot of time with kids in different generations and I've been impressed with each one of them.
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Post by MsKnit on Jan 19, 2017 21:43:53 GMT
It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. If it is part of the curriculum it shouldn't be a celebration but a learning opportunity. I believe in protesting, but I also believe in learning and if we refuse to learn about things we don't like, we are doomed to repeat mistakes. To me it totally depends on how watching the inauguration fits into the curriculum and what the learning objectives are. Based on the email that was posted here..my kid would participate. Great learning comes from understanding your adversaries. The Inauguration is just not the hill I would be willing to die on. ETA: If you are going to protest do it in a meaningful way. Opting out of watching the inauguration on TV is not really much of a protest. Perhaps. Perhaps not. It is a start if the student feels so inclined. Someone up thread said they were going to let their sophomore stay home to watch because he was interested and they agreed despite not being fans of the incoming president. I applaud them. I would have no issue with my son watching either if it was something he wanted to do. However, I would not discount his political viewpoints by insisting he watch if he opposed doing so. Again, I think it is counterproductive to expect students to refrain from standing up for their beliefs simply because they are still in school. This is how apathy begins.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 19, 2017 21:47:32 GMT
It ends at the inauguration. The inauguration is a celebration of the incoming president. I'm not celebrating it. There is no way that I am forcing my son to celebrate it just because it is happening in a classroom. If a student wishes to protest in the manner, why stifle it? It preferable to have automatons who do exactly as their told? No, I would rather see the use of intelligence, logic, and principles. Standing up for what you believe in shouldn't have to wait until you have left high school. If it is part of the curriculum it shouldn't be a celebration but a learning opportunity. I believe in protesting, but I also believe in learning and if we refuse to learn about things we don't like, we are doomed to repeat mistakes. To me it totally depends on how watching the inauguration fits into the curriculum and what the learning objectives are. Based on the email that was posted here..my kid would participate. Great learning comes from understanding your adversaries. The Inauguration is just not the hill I would be willing to die on. ETA: If you are going to protest do it in a meaningful way. Opting out of watching the inauguration on TV is not really much of a protest. As a movement I think not watching the inauguration is kind of awesome. I'd actually love for it to be the lowest rated inauguration ever only because I think that sort of thing is important to Trump.  But as part of a curriculum, the tv will be tuned to it whether there are 25 or 20 students in a classroom so it won't affect much. I also think that it is important for social studies or civics.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 19, 2017 22:01:31 GMT
Hmmmm, on one hand you all are telling the left they're going to have to be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right in the future, and on the other hand you're calling "snowflakes" those who simply want to opt out of celebrating the the inauguration of someone whose values they find offensive. He still gets to be president. Perhaps y'all are the "snowflakes" because you can't handle that everyone isn't either jumping for joy or curled in a fetal position in the corner. Actually, I've not represented myself well if that is what you believe I've been saying. I haven't advocated that the left be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right. I said they need to understand that their approach is the reason many on the right voted for Trump, and if you want them to be swayed to understand why you (blanket) are so upset, you need to find a way that doesn't ostracize them. Because right now, the democratic party has lost control of almost every level on government across the board in 8 years, and a large part of it is due to their messaging. Here's where I'm coming from in my comment...Achmadenijad, a known terrorist, and terrorism supporter who valued the collapse and death of every American was invited to and given a public platform to speak at Columbia University. The left applauded this as it provided an opportunity to "learn" what makes the other side tick (so to speak). If the left can stomach sitting through a murderers speech, then anyone can sit through the inauguration of our new President, regardless of their feelings about him. And for the record, I'm not a Trump voter or supporter, so definitely no snowflake here. And lastly, I don't ever recall teachers cancelling tests, providing safe spaces to cry and color and access to comfort dogs to anyone for any reason, and we've had some terrible things happen in the past. I watched the Challenger explode, and didn't need that. This generation needing that, everyone needing a participation trophy. I fear we won't have anyone in the next generation with the fortitude to even attempt to serve in our armed forces. This is truly a snowflake generation.
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 19, 2017 22:13:56 GMT
Our schools showed Obamas (no permission slips) and they didn't show Clinton or Bushes. I have no idea the plan for tomorrow. OK so son came home and asked if he could stay home tomorrow and watch the inauguration. He watched Obama's and enjoyed the process. I said of course not. Apparently the junior high classes are watching them but my son has a science test at that time. He is not happy and thinks the test should be postponed so all the kids can watch it. There are 4 classes of junior kids and sadly for him his science period happens to fall then. I asked my daughter if the middle school aged kids (we have a k-8 but jr high has it's own hallway, and middle school has their own section) were watching it and she said "I don't know". Save
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 19, 2017 22:45:56 GMT
And lastly, I don't ever recall teachers cancelling tests, providing safe spaces to cry and color and access to comfort dogs to anyone for any reason, and we've had some terrible things happen in the past. I watched the Challenger explode, and didn't need that. This generation needing that, everyone needing a participation trophy. I fear we won't have anyone in the next generation with the fortitude to even attempt to serve in our armed forces. This is truly a snowflake generation. Honestly? I think this is really taking on a life of it's own. I have kids of that generation. One IS in the military (as are a lot of pea kids) and one is a straight A student in a college, who also works and still manages to not seek out a single so called safe space. I have spent a good bit of time with the boys and their friends and not one of them is a 'special snowflake.' They are all bright, capable, hard working (in their own way) and they all take great offense at being called a special snowflake. Most are all in school, one of the younger boy's friend is heading off to basic training this week. They don't expect the world to revolve around them (or at least no more than any 18 year who thinks they know it all) and they all are pretty passionate about their beliefs. They don't expect a test to be cancelled, nor safe places to be built ... but every one of them loves it when the puppies show up in the common area. They like puppies. There may be some of the snowflakes around, but I haven't met one. And I just don't think that there are as many as people want us to believe.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 19, 2017 23:21:24 GMT
Our schools showed Obamas (no permission slips) and they didn't show Clinton or Bushes. I have no idea the plan for tomorrow. OK so son came home and a sked if he could stay home tomorrow and watch the inauguration. He watched Obama's and enjoyed the process. I said of course not. Apparently the junior high classes are watching them but my son has a science test at that time. He is not happy and thinks the test should be postponed so all the kids can watch it. There are 4 classes of junior kids and sadly for him his science period happens to fall then. I asked my daughter if the middle school aged kids (we have a k-8 but jr high has it's own hallway, and middle school has their own section) were watching it and she said "I don't know". Savehe could always set the DVR to record it. I don't remember ever watching inauguration ceremonies in school, but what do I know? I was in school in the 1980s, and we very rarely did stuff like watching live television events in our classes. I do vaguely remember seeing the Challenger blow up, and I remember us watching the return / release of a Middle Eastern hostage-- a soldier who was held for a very long time (I can't remember whether he was held in the Iran hostage crisis or not)-- but that was only because he was from our local area. ETA: it sounds more like your son really just wants to postpone taking his test!
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Post by Merge on Jan 19, 2017 23:33:11 GMT
Hmmmm, on one hand you all are telling the left they're going to have to be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right in the future, and on the other hand you're calling "snowflakes" those who simply want to opt out of celebrating the the inauguration of someone whose values they find offensive. He still gets to be president. Perhaps y'all are the "snowflakes" because you can't handle that everyone isn't either jumping for joy or curled in a fetal position in the corner. Actually, I've not represented myself well if that is what you believe I've been saying. I haven't advocated that the left be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right. I said they need to understand that their approach is the reason many on the right voted for Trump, and if you want them to be swayed to understand why you (blanket) are so upset, you need to find a way that doesn't ostracize them. Because right now, the democratic party has lost control of almost every level on government across the board in 8 years, and a large part of it is due to their messaging. I disagree with your last statement. I've seen very few on the right who are even aware of the democratic party's messaging. They know only what they hear of it in the far-right media or from disinformation campaigns and fake news. We on the left are responsible for what we say and what we propose, but we're not responsible for the high consumption of fake news on the right. You may not have advocated that we be more sensitive, but in the months since the election, we on the left have often been accused of running off peas on the right who could not handle having their opinions challenged here. If that's not snowflake behavior, I don't know what is. All well and good, but why should we? Trump is hardly making a secret of what makes him tick, and one doesn't need to sit through his inauguration to find out. From what I've seen, most who are choosing not to watch the inauguration are doing so because they object to the president's policies and history of sexual assault, not because they're traumatized by him. It's a very minor show of protest to be sure, but it's also a very minor thing for schools to accommodate for students who feel strongly about it. Remember that students below the age of 18, which is who we're talking about here, generally have very little say in their own daily routine and very little chance to make their voice heard. This is one harmless, peaceful opportunity for them to do so. Deriding them as "snowflakes" for such a little thing says much more about you than their choice does about them, in my opinion. These incidents have been vastly overblown by the right wing media and, I am sorry to say, the exaggerated news of them eagerly lapped up by those on the right who have take up the banner of anti-liberal elitism. Don't believe everything you read and hear. The next generation is quite ready to take up the fight - and I'm quite happy to report that they're not going to be putting up with nonsense from Trump and his ilk. (But as an aside, I think we should all have access to comfort dogs from time to time. Is that a thing? It should totally be a thing.)
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 20, 2017 12:44:44 GMT
OK so son came home and a sked if he could stay home tomorrow and watch the inauguration. He watched Obama's and enjoyed the process. I said of course not. Apparently the junior high classes are watching them but my son has a science test at that time. He is not happy and thinks the test should be postponed so all the kids can watch it. There are 4 classes of junior kids and sadly for him his science period happens to fall then. I asked my daughter if the middle school aged kids (we have a k-8 but jr high has it's own hallway, and middle school has their own section) were watching it and she said "I don't know". Savehe could always set the DVR to record it. I don't remember ever watching inauguration ceremonies in school, but what do I know? I was in school in the 1980s, and we very rarely did stuff like watching live television events in our classes. I do vaguely remember seeing the Challenger blow up, and I remember us watching the return / release of a Middle Eastern hostage-- a soldier who was held for a very long time (I can't remember whether he was held in the Iran hostage crisis or not)-- but that was only because he was from our local area. ETA: it sounds more like your son really just wants to postpone taking his test! Not really about the test. He's your typical Pea kid and has a 98.4 average with his report card last week. Isn't bothered by tests. He watched Obama's inaugurations. He finds this stuff interesting. I don't. BUT he doesn't think it's fair the two 7th grades, and other 8th grade rooms get to watch it, but because his 8th grade class has science during that time he has to write a test. He feels if all the other jr high kids get to watch it they all should. Plus he wants to. We don't have DVR etc. We will find it online somewhere this evening. Save
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 20, 2017 14:25:33 GMT
And lastly, I don't ever recall teachers cancelling tests, providing safe spaces to cry and color and access to comfort dogs to anyone for any reason, and we've had some terrible things happen in the past. I watched the Challenger explode, and didn't need that. This generation needing that, everyone needing a participation trophy. I fear we won't have anyone in the next generation with the fortitude to even attempt to serve in our armed forces. This is truly a snowflake generation. Honestly? I think this is really taking on a life of it's own. I have kids of that generation. One IS in the military (as are a lot of pea kids) and one is a straight A student in a college, who also works and still manages to not seek out a single so called safe space. I have spent a good bit of time with the boys and their friends and not one of them is a 'special snowflake.' They are all bright, capable, hard working (in their own way) and they all take great offense at being called a special snowflake. Most are all in school, one of the younger boy's friend is heading off to basic training this week. They don't expect the world to revolve around them (or at least no more than any 18 year who thinks they know it all) and they all are pretty passionate about their beliefs. They don't expect a test to be cancelled, nor safe places to be built ... but every one of them loves it when the puppies show up in the common area. They like puppies. There may be some of the snowflakes around, but I haven't met one. And I just don't think that there are as many as people want us to believe. That is quite possible, and the media's constant poking the puppy (pun intended lol), makes it seem worse. I have been seeing more and more articles about why Millennials are so challenging to work with, and a lot of it has to do with being "special snowflakes". I should have clarified that I wasn't branding everyone of that generation, but there's enough of them to warrant asking where we went wrong with a portion of this generation.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 20, 2017 14:43:12 GMT
Actually, I've not represented myself well if that is what you believe I've been saying. I haven't advocated that the left be more aware of/sensitive to the feelings of the right. I said they need to understand that their approach is the reason many on the right voted for Trump, and if you want them to be swayed to understand why you (blanket) are so upset, you need to find a way that doesn't ostracize them. Because right now, the democratic party has lost control of almost every level on government across the board in 8 years, and a large part of it is due to their messaging. I disagree with your last statement. I've seen very few on the right who are even aware of the democratic party's messaging. They know only what they hear of it in the far-right media or from disinformation campaigns and fake news. We on the left are responsible for what we say and what we propose, but we're not responsible for the high consumption of fake news on the right. You may not have advocated that we be more sensitive, but in the months since the election, we on the left have often been accused of running off peas on the right who could not handle having their opinions challenged here. If that's not snowflake behavior, I don't know what is. All well and good, but why should we? Trump is hardly making a secret of what makes him tick, and one doesn't need to sit through his inauguration to find out. From what I've seen, most who are choosing not to watch the inauguration are doing so because they object to the president's policies and history of sexual assault, not because they're traumatized by him. It's a very minor show of protest to be sure, but it's also a very minor thing for schools to accommodate for students who feel strongly about it. Remember that students below the age of 18, which is who we're talking about here, generally have very little say in their own daily routine and very little chance to make their voice heard. This is one harmless, peaceful opportunity for them to do so. Deriding them as "snowflakes" for such a little thing says much more about you than their choice does about them, in my opinion. These incidents have been vastly overblown by the right wing media and, I am sorry to say, the exaggerated news of them eagerly lapped up by those on the right who have take up the banner of anti-liberal elitism. Don't believe everything you read and hear. The next generation is quite ready to take up the fight - and I'm quite happy to report that they're not going to be putting up with nonsense from Trump and his ilk. (But as an aside, I think we should all have access to comfort dogs from time to time. Is that a thing? It should totally be a thing.) Ahhh. I understand you then. Yeah, I would call them snowflakes as well. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. LOL. However, I would say the same is true on the opposite side. The left listens to way to much fake news from the left wing media outlets and far left media disinformation campaign as well. The incidents of "attacks" by Trump supporters, some of which have been proven to be outright lies, are also way overblown by CNN and MSNBC and their ilk as well. If the left can applaud a man like Castro, and turn him into a folk hero, and praise his "so-called" humanitarian efforts in Cuba, then again, they are hypocritical because Trump is no where near as bad as that monster. And as a sexual predator, again, Clinton. You are quite right that may be possible that it was the same as the "attacks" by Trump supporters, however seeing the crying and nashing of teeth at the protests in the days following the election honestly, for me, became quite comical.
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scrapaddie
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Post by scrapaddie on Jan 20, 2017 15:00:25 GMT
It has been 8 years... Even administrations change and grow. Perhaps they got flack from parents last time. Certainly not something that I would be upset, let alone livid, about.
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Post by Miss Ang on Jan 20, 2017 15:14:12 GMT
I probably would have responded to the email with, "I recall back in 2009 we required signed permission slips from parents order for students to view the inauguration. Are we able to show the inauguration this year without the signed permission slips? Just want to avoid any possible conflict with parents." But sometimes my snark comes out when it shouldn't. 
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Post by maryland on Jan 20, 2017 15:25:04 GMT
My kids are elementary age, so they aren't watching it. However, I'd still be OK with it - Much as I loathe Trump, the fact remains that at roughly this time tomorrow, he will be the president. Ignorance and hiding under the bushes is disingenuous. At high school age, I think it could be appropriate to show it and then have the students do some activity to help them express their thoughts. I'm not a teacher, but the first thing that comes to mind is that it's a good time to be able to practice writing a persuasive essay. I do agree that a time delay is probably good. I can't help but fear something bad is going to happen, which kids don't need to see in real time. I hope the worst that happens is peaceful protesting. It is entirely possible that there is different school district administration and different policies now, not necessarily tying into who the president is. I wouldn't necessarily freak that permission was required 8 years ago but not now. I think it's fair to ask the question, though, even if you're just framing it as covering your own rear. "Gee, we had to get permission slips 8 years ago. Is it different now? Can anyone tell me why?" This. Just this morning my ds asked if he could stay home tomorrow to watch the Inauguration (he's 16, a sophomore). My dh, who absolutely despises Trump, beat me to saying "absolutely." My ds loves history, and politics, and this is the first time he's old enough to understand and appreciate the "Peaceful Transfer of Power." I cannot stand Trump, but I am watching the coverage. It's interesting watching the coverage and learning some things too! I never sit and watch tv, I am always cleaning up, organizing etc. while it's on. I hope they do show it on real time at my kids school. Even though they also dislike Trump, they are old enough to learn about the Inauguration process. The youngest is in Civics now and the senior is in AP Gov and Politics. I am from the DC area, so it's nice seeing my "home". Now I won't watch the swearing in because my daughter's long winter break is almost over (starts back to school Jan. 25th) so we have to shop for some things and drive her back to DC area tomorrow. I have a feeling we will be dealing with a lot of DC/MD traffic this weekend. But is there ever no traffic in DC area?
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 20, 2017 15:30:46 GMT
Honestly? I think this is really taking on a life of it's own. I have kids of that generation. One IS in the military (as are a lot of pea kids) and one is a straight A student in a college, who also works and still manages to not seek out a single so called safe space. I have spent a good bit of time with the boys and their friends and not one of them is a 'special snowflake.' They are all bright, capable, hard working (in their own way) and they all take great offense at being called a special snowflake. Most are all in school, one of the younger boy's friend is heading off to basic training this week. They don't expect the world to revolve around them (or at least no more than any 18 year who thinks they know it all) and they all are pretty passionate about their beliefs. They don't expect a test to be cancelled, nor safe places to be built ... but every one of them loves it when the puppies show up in the common area. They like puppies. There may be some of the snowflakes around, but I haven't met one. And I just don't think that there are as many as people want us to believe. That is quite possible, and the media's constant poking the puppy (pun intended lol), makes it seem worse. I have been seeing more and more articles about why Millennials are so challenging to work with, and a lot of it has to do with being "special snowflakes". I should have clarified that I wasn't branding everyone of that generation, but there's enough of them to warrant asking where we went wrong with a portion of this generation. But that's the thing...I don't think that it is that we went wrong with enough of the population to warrant all the discussions. What I do think is that there is a generational communication difference-which is common to every generational difference, enough so that if you work with the public in social service situations you will inevitably get training in effective ways to communicate with each different group. A baby boomer will have a different set of expectations than a gen x-er who will have a different set of expectations than a millennial. For example, I heard an interview either last night or this morning (I can't remember which) where the person was clearly a baby boomer talking about the generation of 'every one gets a trophy' and how they 'just need to get over it and realize that...' It perpetuates the idea that a young person just has sour grapes and should get on with things. Reality is though, that the a lot of the kids who got participation trophies didn't like them, didn't want them and pretty much tossed them the minute they got home. They don't get sour grapes any more than anyone else, but they are expressing their feelings, passions and expectations in a different way than what I (as someone who doesn't really fit into the baby boomers but am a little too old to be squarely a Gen X-er) am often comfortable with. If the truth be told, who I actually blame for part of the problem is not so much the kids, but the true helicopter parents. They are giving the impression that the kids are the special snowflakes by calling college professors and demanding participation trophies. I can tell you right now that if I called my kid's professor or the other kid's officer in charge there would be absolute HELL to pay. For the most part, the kids are just the same as any other generation coming up that the elders of the world just don't understand. (I am not trying to be ugly here, it is just that I have an issue with this because I have seen some incredibly awesome kids who not only don't fit the media definition of their generation, but resent it and feel as though it is being perpetuated to fit a political agenda.)
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Post by maryland on Jan 20, 2017 15:45:57 GMT
I probably would have responded to the email with, "I recall back in 2009 we required signed permission slips from parents order for students to view the inauguration. Are we able to show the inauguration this year without the signed permission slips? Just want to avoid any possible conflict with parents." But sometimes my snark comes out when it shouldn't. I don't see any snark here! I would have done the same thing. There was an "issue" in the district a few years ago and I did call the school and question why something wasn't done as it was before. I joke with my husband that our school district is very conservative so I'm surprised they didn't give the kids off today to "watch" (celebrate). And as it wasn't a scheduled day off (obviously the school knows that Inauguration takes place so they could have given them off last year when the calendar was made) but JUST cancelled school because of who won, I would not have made my kids go to the make-up day.
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