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Post by casswithsass on Aug 15, 2014 2:49:08 GMT
And how much do counselors help?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 2:54:22 GMT
Look on the website for the colleges you are interested in. We will start taking applications for the fall 2015 next month.
Every college/university does it a bit differently on the timeline.
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Post by worrywart on Aug 15, 2014 3:00:06 GMT
Yeah, they all have different deadlines. Earlier is better. We started applying in about September/October of senior year. Started visiting summer before senior year which in hindsight was too late, wish we would have started that earlier.
Our experience with the counselor was that she was not that helpful. I'm sure she was overwhelmed with students but the college process was new to me and it was overwhelming!
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Post by MissBianca on Aug 15, 2014 3:05:16 GMT
High school counselors? It depends. DS18 had a great counselor freshman year, got him going in the culinary program at school. He was the first freshman allowed into the Johnson and Wales meet and greet at our school, etc. But she was the counselor for the freshman house only. The one he got for the last 3 years was completely useless. Had zero time for the students, never returned our emails and took weeks to get DS copies if his transcripts. We had to track down another administrator to get them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 3:06:16 GMT
Set up an email account that is totally for college use. Every college is going to want an email address for your student. You are going to be inundated with email once you start giving it out. Use it when taking the act/sat... everything college related sent to that address. It will help you find it easier and keep your personal box from being overloaded with spam mail (college related but spammish non the less)
Each university should have an admissions counselor to help you through the process with their school. Get the name and email of a specific admissions person you can communicate with.
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Post by Debbie on Aug 15, 2014 3:21:00 GMT
My three applied early to mid October. All of their counselors were great - set up planning meetings early senior year and processed the applications quickly. My youngest will be a college freshman in September - she heard Thanksgiving weekend that she was accepted early action to her top choice. It was such a relief!
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Post by ceepea on Aug 15, 2014 4:38:26 GMT
Late September into October. November by the very latest. Our HS counselor did nothing, the college admission counselors were all wonderful.
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Post by Patter on Aug 15, 2014 10:09:09 GMT
My girls did not have counselors since they were homeschooled after 7th grade. They all applied in September, were admitted with scholarships, and accepted by October. It was the college of their choice. They are Sophomores now, and still LOVE their school. Have fun!
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 15, 2014 10:24:01 GMT
High school counselors? Almost totally useless. Now, any of you who are a high school counselor please don't get mad at me for that comment. Our high school counselors were useless. They spent a lot of time on the kids with big problems, and on the very-high-achieving kids who were heading for an Ivy League type school. Everyone else in the middle...well too bad on them. ugh. I was SO SO glad to be rid of all that. College is so much easier! (we won't discuss the expense though... ) Dd started thinking about where to apply by the end of the summer before her senior year. She had done visits during spring of junior year so she had a good idea. A lot of our state schools (Virginia) have that Early Action (not the same thing as Early Decision) program where they can be accepted in the fall if they do the application and attend a weekend event at the school. Dd's first choice had this option so that's what she did. She sent in the application in October and we attended a weekend in November. They called her three days later to offer her a place. So by Thanksgiving she knew where she was going to be attending college. That was a HUGE stress-reliever for her senior year! It also saved us a lot of money because she only applied to that one school, knowing that if she did not get in she still had plenty of time to apply elsewhere.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 15, 2014 10:47:57 GMT
Make sure you have your ACT or SAT completed also.
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Post by peabay on Aug 15, 2014 11:27:45 GMT
High school counselors are useless at my school too. Lovely people, but they do very little, other than write you the required letter of recommendation. They don't help you find schools or look at your essays etc.... Now, that does occur at some schools, particularly prep/private schools. But not at my large, suburban public school.
When to apply totally depends on if your child is applying early decision, early action or regular decision. As mentioned already, the college websites are your best resource.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 12:24:20 GMT
In defense of **high school** counselors. Their job is the assist students with issues related to that particular high school (scheduling, earning the right amounts of credits to graduate in that school district, discipline problems). There are over 7000 post secondary institutions recognized by the department of education. IMO it is a bit unrealistic to expect someone who specializes in secondary education to be able to help navigate through over 7000 options outside of their area of specialization. Just like you shouldn't expect the college advisor to have a lot of information about the job market after college graduation. If you find it overwhelming limit the number of schools you allow your student to apply to. Other than bragging rights there isn't a reason to apply to 20 places. Each website will tell you what their minimum standards are. If your student isn't meeting those standards, or just barely, he will be better off applying to a place where he easily exceeds the standards. You can weed the field down yourself. because peas like facts.. where the number of schools come from: nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84
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Post by 1lear on Aug 15, 2014 12:28:48 GMT
Our high school counselors didn't do much. Our county does a college fair weekend every September at our high school-I loved going to that to scope out different schools. My 2 girls both applied in October of their senior year.
Like others have said, each college has different deadlines so check out their websites.
As mentioned on a different thread, definitely check out collegeconfidential.com-there is a wealth of helpful information.
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Post by happymom on Aug 15, 2014 12:51:16 GMT
Out school has a counselor dedicated to seniors and the college/career readiness. We did most of the research using collegeconfidential and the colleges website.
The common app opens August 1st which is the universal app for many schools. Some schools use their own app and were available earlier this summer.
S applied to 5 schools, two were early action and due by Nov 1. The rest were rolling admission or due by jan. 15.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 15, 2014 13:00:01 GMT
Kind of surprised that high school counselors are not doing their jobs in getting students and their parents ready for the college application process.
We had an excellent experience. In sophomore year, guidance had a meeting for parents to talk about the preparation for the process, in junior year another meeting with more information and advice and in the beginning of senior they had admissions and financial aid people for local colleges talk about the admissions and financial aid process.
The students also had software provided by the school to evaluate the colleges they were interested in. It also helped them track what they needed to do to make a complete and timely application. The software also tracked how many grads of the high school had applied to and been accepted by a college.
In addition to SAT or ACT, some colleges depending on the area that your student may select for their major may require additional SAT subject testing.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 15, 2014 13:19:31 GMT
In defense of **high school** counselors. Their job is the assist students with issues related to that particular high school (scheduling, earning the right amounts of credits to graduate in that school district, discipline problems). There are over 7000 post secondary institutions recognized by the department of education. IMO it is a bit unrealistic to expect someone who specializes in secondary education to be able to help navigate through over 7000 options outside of their area of specialization. Just like you shouldn't expect the college advisor to have a lot of information about the job market after college graduation. If you find it overwhelming limit the number of schools you allow your student to apply to. Other than bragging rights there isn't a reason to apply to 20 places. Each website will tell you what their minimum standards are. If your student isn't meeting those standards, or just barely, he will be better off applying to a place where he easily exceeds the standards. You can weed the field down yourself. because peas like facts.. where the number of schools come from: nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84Voltagain, you're right about the high school counselors not being able to do it all for all those colleges and students. However, our high school counselors failed long before we got to the college planning phase so I'm biased about that.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 15, 2014 13:37:02 GMT
At a very large high school, we had experiences similar to Back to Peality: several evening meetings about college search, admissions, and financial aid; a Naviance account (software); a student group and individual meeting with counselor (additional meetings scheduled by student); notifications about daily college rep visits, local college fairs, and community scholarships. Each student was encouraged to use her school-issued email account to communicate with colleges. However, each counselor had a school-wide caseload of 300plus students, and many, MANY other duties (hardly useless), so the student and the family have to be proactive. Read college confidential.com. Do college visits junior year. Take the right tests. (I recommend checking "No" when the testing service asks if colleges can send you box loads of their glossy propaganda. Save several dozen trees; every school has a website now with the same info.)Some schools have rolling admissions, which means that they make decisions and inform students as the applications arrive (often early October). Other schools have early decision deadlines (big string attached), early action deadlines, and regular decision deadlines. Remember that academic teachers can get dozens of requests for letters of recommendation. You'd be surprised how long each letter takes. (Colleges notice when a teacher repeatedly write the same letter.) Please give several weeks notice. You want the teacher in a good mood when writing this letter.
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Post by peabay on Aug 15, 2014 13:42:15 GMT
In defense of **high school** counselors. Their job is the assist students with issues related to that particular high school (scheduling, earning the right amounts of credits to graduate in that school district, discipline problems). There are over 7000 post secondary institutions recognized by the department of education. IMO it is a bit unrealistic to expect someone who specializes in secondary education to be able to help navigate through over 7000 options outside of their area of specialization. Just like you shouldn't expect the college advisor to have a lot of information about the job market after college graduation. If you find it overwhelming limit the number of schools you allow your student to apply to. Other than bragging rights there isn't a reason to apply to 20 places. Each website will tell you what their minimum standards are. If your student isn't meeting those standards, or just barely, he will be better off applying to a place where he easily exceeds the standards. You can weed the field down yourself. because peas like facts.. where the number of schools come from: nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84I don't disagree with you at all. The guidance counselors at our school function as social workers and psychologists and babysitters and class advisors and mentors. They can't be expected to be college counselors too. It's something we're working on in our district because there's just no way for them to do everything they are expected to do and do all of it well. We have 1800 kids and not nearly enough counselors. I don't envy their jobs at all. But - some people come into high school thinking that the guidance counselors are going to function like private college "coaches" and that is not the case at all. Certainly not at our school. The kids and their parents have to do much of it on their own.
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Post by triplettkarla on Aug 15, 2014 13:53:14 GMT
Ohh this makes me mad High School counselors were worthless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did nothing nada never responded to questions all i know they do here is sit in the office and drink coffee.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 15, 2014 14:04:46 GMT
Our school seems to be similar to Pea-ality, they start holding group and individual meetings with parents in 9th grade. The counselors promote all options, as opposed to my fellow parents.
I'm bookmarking this thread. I've read the 2Peas threads in past years and had counted on you being there when it's it time.
Glad to know you're still here! Volt especially, the kid is interested in one similar in description to yours. His scores are high enough, more elite schools are within reach, but he has his heart set on a respected state school.
ETA Ours is a large suburban, public, high school.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 15, 2014 14:07:27 GMT
You know, I am job hunting right now. And in the meantime, dying of boredom. Reading this thread makes me wonder if I shouldn't contact the high school and volunteer to help with this part of the "high school guidance counseling" service. It seems to me that having someone who is fairly familiar with the system would be helpful.
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Post by ReneeH20 on Aug 15, 2014 14:19:14 GMT
I think all the HS counselors did in helping my kids with the college process was have the secretary send the transcripts. They had a couple of college "fairs" during conferences and also a couple seminars for parents paying for college. My kids' HS had 1600 students and 3 counselors. It went by last name so I got to deal with the woman frequently. Kids' schedules were often messed up. I was not impressed with her at all especially after I was the legal guardian of a another student for a year. That counselor was totally on the ball.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 15, 2014 15:13:35 GMT
My son went to a small private school and my daughter attended an enormous public high school. The difference between the college counseling was night and day.
At my son's school, he met numerous times with the college counselor . My husband and I were included in several of these meetings. The college counselor helped us narrow down the schools my son applied to, helped him through the application process and personally contacted one of the admissions officers at his dream school to put in a good word for him. (She didn't write a letter of recommendation for him as she felt those letters should come from a teacher who had actually had my son in class).
I called my daughter's college counselor once to ask a simple question about how grade point averages were calculated and she gave me an answer which turned out to be incorrect.
I know college counselor are probably overworked and don't have enough resources, but it's such an important decision, I wish every student, was able to receive some individual guidance. Some kids are highly motivated and are able to navigate the college admission process by themselves, but a lot of kids could use some help and encouragement.
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Post by LauraTen on Aug 15, 2014 15:14:35 GMT
DS will apply early decision to one school and early action to another in mid November.
Pending that result, the other applications have deadlines in early January.
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Post by tanyab on Aug 15, 2014 16:45:19 GMT
My son will start applying in October and from what I was told, will do it all at school with the guidance counselor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 16:47:46 GMT
My son went to a small private school and my daughter attended an enormous public high school. The difference between the college counseling was night and day. At my son's school, he met numerous times with the college counselor . My husband and I were included in several of these meetings. The college counselor helped us narrow down the schools my son applied to, helped him through the application process and personally contacted one of the admissions officers at his dream school to put in a good word for him. (She didn't write a letter of recommendation for him as she felt those letters should come from a teacher who had actually had my son in class). I called my daughter's college counselor once to ask a simple question about how grade point averages were calculated and she gave me an answer which turned out to be incorrect. I know college counselor are probably overworked and don't have enough resources, but it's such an important decision, I wish every student, was able to receive some individual guidance. Some kids are highly motivated and are able to navigate the college admission process by themselves, but a lot of kids could use some help and encouragement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 16:55:23 GMT
I know college counselor are probably overworked and don't have enough resources, but it's such an important decision, I wish every student, was able to receive some individual guidance. Some kids are highly motivated and are able to navigate the college admission process by themselves, but a lot of kids could use some help and encouragement. Every *college* has admissions counselors to help students navigate the admissions process at their college. I'm still puzzled why people are looking for high school counselors to help navigate the college system. If you are interested in applying at a college ask their admissions department to put you in contact with their admissions counselor/officer. That is why colleges have them.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 15, 2014 17:12:01 GMT
[Every *college* has admissions counselors to help students navigate the admissions process at their college. I'm still puzzled why people are looking for high school counselors to help navigate the college system. If you are interested in applying at a college ask their admissions department to put you in contact with their admissions counselor/officer. That is why colleges have them. Yes colleges are the final source. But the better high schools have active departments providing preliminary information, guiding students as they select majors and careers, and all other things leading up to college. Helping with college admissions is a natural result of their other efforts. Our school system has this mission, starting in Kindergarten, as unlikely as that seems! It's partly the reason it is one of the top systems in the country, why that benefits our community, and businesses are able to be recruited to move here. So, it's not really necessary- but it's part of the package families expect when they select this district. And actually it's not just "our" district doing this, but neighboring ones as well.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2014 18:03:18 GMT
We pretty much did it on our own. Counselor at my girls HS was very laid back, and set up colleges to be there, and meet with, supplied the Trascripts, etc. but that's about it. It was fairly easy doing it on our own. The college admission counselor was helpful in telling us the deadlines. They both applied in Nov-dec, and heard by the 1st of the yr.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 15, 2014 18:10:34 GMT
And how much do counselors help? I applied for the one and only college I applied to as soon as their admissions opened - the Fall before I wanted to go there (Fall of Senior year). I don't know how much counselors really help - depending on what you're looking for help with. I knew what school I wanted to go to, applied, was accepted. Done and done.
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