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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 22, 2017 3:16:06 GMT
I'll echo those who state you would be welcomed.
I'm pro-choice, but also pro-life.
It should be MY choice, not the government as to what happens to my body.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 8:54:51 GMT
They weren't "anti-Trump" protests. They were PRO-women's and all people's equal rights marches. I think labeling them as "anti-Trump" protests dismisses all of what they actually were about and makes it easier to brush away the specific varied concerns people were shouting to ALL of their legislators, not simply the clown we have for President. pro-choice, pro-equal treatment for LGBTQ, POC, Women; religious freedom for all; Pro-healthcare; pro-education; pro-Planned Parenthood My apologies elaine. I can see where I was dismissive of these other groups. |
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Post by wellway on Jan 22, 2017 9:17:00 GMT
I would think that politicans looking to be elected in the mid terms will notice. I understand the voter turnout in America is low so the fact that so many took to the streets all over the US should give them food for thought.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 22, 2017 15:46:39 GMT
Can we not be deliberately obtuse to the prolife posters. For one who believes that life begins at conception, abortion is taking a life and many view that act as no different than taking a life after birth. You don't tell some who is against any other issue - well don't do it, but don't care if other people do it. I mean can you imagine if an issue you were passionate about - let say discrimination or hate crimes - and you're told - oh if you don't support discrimination that's fine - don't do it, but don't tell anyone else not to burn crosses. I'm prochoice - mostly as I rarely come down on an issue where I think the government should dictate personal medical decisions - but I don't pretend that "if you don't like abortion, don't have one" is building any bridges these women who came here saying they supported much of the agenda of the women's march but felt uninvited due to their pro-life stance- you're essentially telling them they're right.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 22, 2017 16:02:04 GMT
Thank you Darcy Collins for putting it into words that resonate with me. I am also pro choice. However, i have no illusions that abortion is not the killing of a human being. And that is a valid position for the prolife side. |
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Post by katybee on Jan 22, 2017 16:17:36 GMT
Can we not be deliberately obtuse to the prolife posters. For one who believes that life begins at conception, abortion is taking a life and many view that act as no different than taking a life after birth. You don't tell some who is against any other issue - well don't do it, but don't care if other people do it. I mean can you imagine if an issue you were passionate about - let say discrimination or hate crimes - and you're told - oh if you don't support discrimination that's fine - don't do it, but don't tell anyone else not to burn crosses. I'm prochoice - mostly as I rarely come down on an issue where I think the government should dictate personal medical decisions - but I don't pretend that "if you don't like abortion, don't have one" is building any bridges these women who came here saying they supported much of the agenda of the women's march but felt uninvited due to their pro-life stance- you're essentially telling them they're right. I respect the views of pro-life women. And I want to tell them--we CAN dramatically reduce the number of abortions in this world by educating young women, building up their self-worth and confidence, providing them with easy access to health care and birth control. BY PROVIDING COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION AT AN AGE WHERE IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE (instead of RIDICULOUS abstinence only programs), make sure there is a social safety net so if a girl does find herself pregnant, she knows there are options so that she and her baby do not end up on the street. Do not be REACTIVE. Be PROACTIVE. I don't think there is any pro-choice woman anywhere that wants more abortions...  |
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Post by elaine on Jan 22, 2017 16:30:34 GMT
Can we not be deliberately obtuse to the prolife posters. For one who believes that life begins at conception, abortion is taking a life and many view that act as no different than taking a life after birth. You don't tell some who is against any other issue - well don't do it, but don't care if other people do it. I mean can you imagine if an issue you were passionate about - let say discrimination or hate crimes - and you're told - oh if you don't support discrimination that's fine - don't do it, but don't tell anyone else not to burn crosses. I'm prochoice - mostly as I rarely come down on an issue where I think the government should dictate personal medical decisions - but I don't pretend that "if you don't like abortion, don't have one" is building any bridges these women who came here saying they supported much of the agenda of the women's march but felt uninvited due to their pro-life stance- you're essentially telling them they're right. Darcy, if you read what I said it was substantially MORE than simply don't want one, don't have one. The second component, which is/was more important in regards to yesterday's marches is: Don't march to LEGISLATE or TAKE AWAY another woman's choices. And yes, to be honest, marching in order to support the government taking control over our reproductive rights wouldn't have been welcome. And I don't see that as hypocritical. I also don't see that as unwelcoming or unsupportive of any woman who IS pro-choice. It is unsupportive of trying to force that stance on others. To me, there is a big difference. My apologies elaine. I can see where I was dismissive of these other groups. No problem! I actually think it is a GOP spin that their media is purposefully framing it that way. The interesting thing is that 3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump, and so if you lumped the major cities' marches together, in numbers you get a visual representation of how many more people actually did vote for Clinton than Trump. That many more voted for Clinton and their votes didn't matter. So, for the general you pondering where all those people were on Election Day if these issues were important to them, every single one of them who legally could vote (of age, civilians, felony-free), might have voted for Clinton and these were the results. That is why people feel that the Electoral College isn't working any more. In total, 64,654,483 people voted for Clinton, many millions more than marched yesterday. Can you imagine what it would have looked like if all had marched? But, just as not everyone who voted for Trump supports the GOP Platform, not everyone who voted for Clinton supports the Human and Reproductive Rights Movements, so they had no reason to feel compelled to march. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 22, 2017 16:31:27 GMT
Can we not be deliberately obtuse to the prolife posters. For one who believes that life begins at conception, abortion is taking a life and many view that act as no different than taking a life after birth. You don't tell some who is against any other issue - well don't do it, but don't care if other people do it. I mean can you imagine if an issue you were passionate about - let say discrimination or hate crimes - and you're told - oh if you don't support discrimination that's fine - don't do it, but don't tell anyone else not to burn crosses. I'm prochoice - mostly as I rarely come down on an issue where I think the government should dictate personal medical decisions - but I don't pretend that "if you don't like abortion, don't have one" is building any bridges these women who came here saying they supported much of the agenda of the women's march but felt uninvited due to their pro-life stance- you're essentially telling them they're right. I respect the views of pro-life women. And I want to tell them--we CAN dramatically reduce the number of abortions in this world by educating young women, building up their self-worth and confidence, providing them with easy access to health care and birth control. BY PROVIDING COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION AT AN AGE WHERE IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE (instead of RIDICULOUS abstinence only programs), make sure there is a social safety net so if a girl does find herself pregnant, she knows there are options so that she and her baby do not end up on the street. Do not be REACTIVE. Be PROACTIVE. I don't think there is any pro-choice woman anywhere that wants more abortions... I agree there is much, much more we can do to reduce unintended pregnancy. I posted on an ACA thread last week about Colorado's success in reducing abortions 40% with free long term birth control. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 22, 2017 16:36:27 GMT
There were several posters elaine who weighed in, so I wasn't responding directly to you. I will say that the message is the same - if you don't believe in legal abortion you were not welcome. This is a red line issue for many, many people on BOTH sides. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 22, 2017 16:44:02 GMT
There were several posters elaine who weighed in, so I wasn't responding directly to you. I will say that the message is the same - if you don't believe in legal abortion you were not welcome. This is a red line issue for many, many people on BOTH sides. That's okay. I view it differently than you - I have many pro-life friends (how cliche), but I would have welcomed every one of them to march alongside me for Human Rights. And I never would have called them "Monsters." I personally find the cartoon offensive in how it portrays pro-choice women as people who are so simple-minded and hate-filled, but that doesn't matter to those who post it and support it, I'm sure. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 22, 2017 16:49:00 GMT
There were several posters elaine who weighed in, so I wasn't responding directly to you. I will say that the message is the same - if you don't believe in legal abortion you were not welcome. This is a red line issue for many, many people on BOTH sides. That's okay. I view it differently than you - I have many pro-life friends (how cliche), but I would have welcomed every one of them to march alongside me for Human Rights. And I never would have called them "Monsters." I personally find the cartoon offensive in how it portrays pro-choice women as people who are so simple-minded and hate-filled, but that doesn't matter to those who post it and support it, I'm sure. I find the whole cartoon/meme movement offensive. I imagine if we spent less time making caricatures of people and more time talking and understanding our similarities (and yes differences) the world would be a kinder place. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 22, 2017 16:49:26 GMT
That's okay. I view it differently than you - I have many pro-life friends (how cliche), but I would have welcomed every one of them to march alongside me for Human Rights. And I never would have called them "Monsters." I personally find the cartoon offensive in how it portrays pro-choice women as people who are so simple-minded and hate-filled, but that doesn't matter to those who post it and support it, I'm sure. I find the whole cartoon/meme movement offensive. I imagine if we spent less time making caricatures of people and more time talking and understanding our similarities (and yes differences) the world would be a kinder place.  |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 22, 2017 17:02:47 GMT
I find the whole cartoon/meme movement offensive. I imagine if we spent less time making caricatures of people and more time talking and understanding our similarities (and yes differences) the world would be a kinder place. Meme that have no real agenda (cute puppies!) etc I have no problem with. But with this political climate they are starting (ok past starting) to bug me. They are so cherry picked to find the extreme or anomaly on one side to prove the point you want to make on your side/take. Like all the marchers are violent protesters because of one instance of violence from unknown source. Or all Trump supporters are racists because of an instance of racism by someone who did support Trump. They (meme) are fighting with extremes and just coloring things one way or the other to make their intended point. Most of us don't fall in with the "extreme" but land somewhere in the middle. Those memes are of little value to finding a middle ground of agreement. I guess that is the point of those who make them. |
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