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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 15:13:10 GMT
And Garland wasn't also a good choice? @phil_Mattingly @delrayser
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 1, 2017 15:13:52 GMT
The Dems can, of course, try to throw up road blocks to this nomination whether out of spite or base-pandering, but what they cannot do with any real credibility is claim insuitabiliy to serve based on Gorsuch's unanimous confirmation in 2006 which includes several votes by currently-serving Dem senators, including both of my senators. You can hate Trump all you want, and he's not my favorite, but this is a nominee from a list of candidates he released months ago (one I posted several times here) and it's a savvy pick based on that '06 confirmation vote. Senate Dems are not arguing unsuitability; they know Gorsuch has the bona fides. What they want is someone who is more mainstream, more centrist than far-right. Personally, I think they should just save their energies for a later Trump SC pick, should that happen.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 1, 2017 15:18:13 GMT
I would find your surprise a bit more genuine if you hadn't pissily thrown down the gauntlet in your OP.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 1, 2017 15:47:18 GMT
If the Dems block ONE nomination in the next four years I hope it is this one.
The Republicans were assholes to refuse to hold hearings for a year. I hope that the Democrats in Congress make them wait.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 1, 2017 15:49:43 GMT
Realistically, that's not a good plan. lisae is right; Democrats have to pick their battles. As she said, a conservative for a conservative doesn't change much re: the balance of power in the SCOTUS. But once it's time to replace Kennedy....? And what if things get bad enough that they're looking for impeachment votes? No. Don't play games over this one, as emotionally satisfying as it would be. Such a move would be short term pleasure for potential longer-term pain. So the Democrats hunker down and say, fine, we won't try to block this guy. What do you think happens if there is another opening on the Court and Trump nominates another person like this? With Trump in the Whitehouse now more than ever they can not be trusted. Hold out at least until midterm elections.
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Post by Zee on Feb 1, 2017 15:54:04 GMT
I am surprised and I guess should be grateful that he picked an actual judge. It is hard not to want the Democrats to completely block. The Republicans flat out stole what should have by all rights been an Obama pick. I agree but I'm beyond thrilled that he picked an actual judge with real experience. From what I looked at quickly last night, he is more conservative than I would prefer but doesn't seem awful. I'm feeling actual relief.
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Post by Zee on Feb 1, 2017 15:56:35 GMT
I did some reading on Gorsuch – he’s really far-right; if there’s right of right, he might possibly be there. It’s a foregone conclusion Dems will filibuster this. McConnell is a bit hard to pin down right now – he really doesn’t want to confirm if he’ll use the nuclear option should the Dems filibuster, but I’m pretty sure he will. I think Gorsuch will be confirmed with a simple majority. It is what it is. The last couple of years there were many SC decisions that ended in 5-4 splits. We’ll probably see even more of those splits now. Lately, Chief Justice Roberts seems to be moving away from right and toward center so there’s hope there for liberals. They might also be alright as long as the swing, Kennedy, hangs on and continues to be socially liberal. I didn't get the feeling he was so far right. I do know about the Hobby Lobby thing, but I guess I'll need to do more research because I was thinking he's not terrible, it could be worse. Hmmm.
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Post by jonda1974 on Feb 1, 2017 16:06:03 GMT
The Dems can, of course, try to throw up road blocks to this nomination whether out of spite or base-pandering, but what they cannot do with any real credibility is claim insuitabiliy to serve based on Gorsuch's unanimous confirmation in 2006 which includes several votes by currently-serving Dem senators, including both of my senators. You can hate Trump all you want, and he's not my favorite, but this is a nominee from a list of candidates he released months ago (one I posted several times here) and it's a savvy pick based on that '06 confirmation vote. Senate Dems are not arguing unsuitability; they know Gorsuch has the bona fides. What they want is someone who is more mainstream, more centrist than far-right. Personally, I think they should just save their energies for a later Trump SC pick, should that happen. Here's the deal. The SC has become too politicized already. "Mainstream" is code word for "pro-choice". I want a judge who is an originalist and a textualist. Someone who realizes that you pass amendments to change the constitution, not rulings.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 1, 2017 16:09:37 GMT
Senate Dems are not arguing unsuitability; they know Gorsuch has the bona fides. What they want is someone who is more mainstream, more centrist than far-right. Personally, I think they should just save their energies for a later Trump SC pick, should that happen. Here's the deal. The SC has become too politicized already. "Mainstream" is code word for "pro-choice". I want a judge who is an originalist and a textualist. Someone who realizes that you pass amendments to change the constitution, not rulings. Then I wish our nation much luck in finding that someone because the SC has been a super-legislature for over a decade now.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 1, 2017 16:27:42 GMT
Senate Dems are not arguing unsuitability; they know Gorsuch has the bona fides. What they want is someone who is more mainstream, more centrist than far-right. Personally, I think they should just save their energies for a later Trump SC pick, should that happen. Here's the deal. The SC has become too politicized already. "Mainstream" is code word for "pro-choice". I want a judge who is an originalist and a textualist. Someone who realizes that you pass amendments to change the constitution, not rulings. Since when did mainstream become pro-choice. Mainstream means understands the will of the majority of Americans, and upholds the US Constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 16:30:38 GMT
No, he's not an absolute disaster, but it's difficult not to keep in mind the past year and feel like this seat was stolen. Democrats will have to be the grown-ups again and put his confirmation through, despite having been assured by Republicans just six months ago that the court could operate just fine with only eight justices. We have bigger fish to fry. Totally this! Democrats need to pull their heads out of their butts and get their crap together. They need to play the long game here as they really have no power at that moment.
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Post by blondiec47 on Feb 1, 2017 16:32:03 GMT
I want them to block it at least 9 months.. why give them what they want... they played games over the last year. You do realize that the precedent is for the out going president to not put a person up during an election year. This has happened in the past. Heck even Biden reminded Bush about this when Bush was president.
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Post by blondiec47 on Feb 1, 2017 16:32:43 GMT
I am surprised and I guess should be grateful that he picked an actual judge. It is hard not to want the Democrats to completely block. The Republicans flat out stole what should have by all rights been an Obama pick. NO THEY DIDN'T
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Post by Skypea on Feb 1, 2017 16:33:47 GMT
What GOP did to Obama over Garland was disgusting. I hope the Dems don't respond in kind. Disgusting behavior is discouraged for a reason. It lowers the standards and makes every next action more open to more disgusting behavior.dems have gone hog wild with disgusting behavior.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 1, 2017 16:34:46 GMT
Here's the deal. The SC has become too politicized already. "Mainstream" is code word for "pro-choice". I want a judge who is an originalist and a textualist. Someone who realizes that you pass amendments to change the constitution, not rulings. Since when did mainstream become pro-choice. Mainstream means understands the will of the majority of Americans, and upholds the US Constitution. I completely disagree that the will of the majority of Americans is at all relevant for a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. They review lower courts ruling, they determine the constitutionality of laws and they provide judicial review to keep the checks and balances in place. The will of the majority of Americans is NOT the basis for a Supreme Court ruling and fundamentally why they are not elected or subjected to the will of the people at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 16:35:54 GMT
Having seen Trump's cabinet nominations I was expecting someone much worse. I'm kind of surprised, it was a mature on crazy choice. Kind of makes me fearful of what is he hiding in his cards then. Seems to be his MO.
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Post by jonda1974 on Feb 1, 2017 16:39:54 GMT
Here's the deal. The SC has become too politicized already. "Mainstream" is code word for "pro-choice". I want a judge who is an originalist and a textualist. Someone who realizes that you pass amendments to change the constitution, not rulings. Then I wish our nation much luck in finding that someone because the SC has been a super-legislature for over a decade now. Unfortunately it's been that way since Woodrow Wilson who I believe was the first president to use the term living document so he could twist the constitution to his whim.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 16:40:54 GMT
I am surprised and I guess should be grateful that he picked an actual judge. It is hard not to want the Democrats to completely block. The Republicans flat out stole what should have by all rights been an Obama pick. NO THEY DIDN'T YES THEY DID.
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Post by jonda1974 on Feb 1, 2017 16:43:10 GMT
Here's the deal. The SC has become too politicized already. "Mainstream" is code word for "pro-choice". I want a judge who is an originalist and a textualist. Someone who realizes that you pass amendments to change the constitution, not rulings. Since when did mainstream become pro-choice. Mainstream means understands the will of the majority of Americans, and upholds the US Constitution. It basically came out of Nancy Pelosi's mouth last night. She thinks he the worst danger to our nation to ever been seen. Why? Because he's not mainstream, he doesn't believe in pro-choice (not that I believe he's ever ruled on a case for it). Here's the thing about the will of the majority. We are split almost exactly in half. Mainstream depends on which side of the aisle you are on. But I do know the word is being used as code for, either they believe everything we want, or we won't vote for him. What the Republicans did was wrong, wrong wrong. However, the democrats are not going to get a justice of their choosing at this time. If nothing else, Trump can appoint him during congressional recess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 16:45:59 GMT
Since when did mainstream become pro-choice. Mainstream means understands the will of the majority of Americans, and upholds the US Constitution. I completely disagree that the will of the majority of Americans is at all relevant for a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. They review lower courts ruling, they determine the constitutionality of laws and they provide judicial review to keep the checks and balances in place. The will of the majority of Americans is NOT the basis for a Supreme Court ruling and fundamentally why they are not elected or subjected to the will of the people at all. I actually agree with this. At this level, I think it needs to be as much without emotion and outside influence and ALL about the legality and constitutionality of the law...period.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 1, 2017 16:52:40 GMT
I am surprised and I guess should be grateful that he picked an actual judge. It is hard not to want the Democrats to completely block. The Republicans flat out stole what should have by all rights been an Obama pick. NO THEY DIDN'T How did they not? A presidents term is four years. There was still 9-10 months left of Obama's term. He should have been able to choose the SC justice.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 1, 2017 16:56:56 GMT
I completely disagree that the will of the majority of Americans is at all relevant for a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. They review lower courts ruling, they determine the constitutionality of laws and they provide judicial review to keep the checks and balances in place. The will of the majority of Americans is NOT the basis for a Supreme Court ruling and fundamentally why they are not elected or subjected to the will of the people at all. I actually agree with this. At this level, I think it needs to be as much without emotion and outside influence and ALL about the legality and constitutionality of the law...period. If that was the case it shouldn't matter if the justice was left or right leaning. People wouldn't have voted for trump based on the SC vacancies, and the republicans wouldn't have blocked Garland. IMO, moderate is a better word to use than mainstream. Someone who is not too far in one direction or the other and can be more objective. That would be ideal but it doesn't sound like this guy fits that definition.
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Post by peano on Feb 1, 2017 17:07:03 GMT
I want them to block it at least 9 months.. why give them what they want... they played games over the last year. You do realize that the precedent is for the out going president to not put a person up during an election year. This has happened in the past. Heck even Biden reminded Bush about this when Bush was president. False. link
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 1, 2017 17:12:44 GMT
You do realize that the precedent is for the out going president to not put a person up during an election year. This has happened in the past. Heck even Biden reminded Bush about this when Bush was president. False. linkUm your link actually shows there ISN'T a whole lot of precedent for a SUPREME COURT nominee for lame duck presidents and the one time they did nominate someone it failed: The politifact also included lower courts as that was part of Rubio's statement and is completely false.
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 1, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
I am surprised and I guess should be grateful that he picked an actual judge. It is hard not to want the Democrats to completely block. The Republicans flat out stole what should have by all rights been an Obama pick. NO THEY DIDN'T Putting things in all caps doesn't make them true.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 1, 2017 17:29:09 GMT
it's really sad when the political process of legislating is obstructed by the election process, and personal concerns over the congress members' future election rather than the job at hand. just an observation.
And yeah... putting things in ALL CAPS doesn't change something false to true.
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 1, 2017 17:31:23 GMT
I appreciate his views on judication: "I respect, too, the fact that in our legal order it is for Congress and not the courts to write new laws. It is the role of judges to apply, not alter, the work of the people’s representatives. A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands."
Interesting Pros/Cons article on Gorsuch:
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Post by peano on Feb 1, 2017 17:38:57 GMT
Um your link actually shows there ISN'T a whole lot of precedent for a SUPREME COURT nominee for lame duck presidents and the one time they did nominate someone it failed: The politifact also included lower courts as that was part of Rubio's statement and is completely false. Um, blondiec47 said, "You do realize that the precedent is for the out going president to not put a person up during an election year." as if precedent is a tradition or norm. My point is that there's NO tradition for not putting someone up, it's just that there haven't been many opportunities. I just had this argument with my father the other night. It's just an oily, slithery way of the Republican party trying to support their rationale for blocking Garland. This becomes even more evident when you see the number of lower court judges appointed.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 1, 2017 18:05:46 GMT
I appreciate his views on judication: "I respect, too, the fact that in our legal order it is for Congress and not the courts to write new laws. It is the role of judges to apply, not alter, the work of the people’s representatives. A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands."Interesting Pros/Cons article on Gorsuch: “ He’s Scalia Light.” I don't think so. Just my opinion. Of course, the proof of the pudding is in the eating so I’ll wait and see. But the next time anti-discrimination protections are challenged, or big business sees itself in the SC again, and he evangelizes a legal principle, I’ll just create a thread and point it out. If I’m wrong, I’ll gamely eat the pudding with a side of crow. And publish it as well.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 1, 2017 18:19:04 GMT
Um your link actually shows there ISN'T a whole lot of precedent for a SUPREME COURT nominee for lame duck presidents and the one time they did nominate someone it failed: The politifact also included lower courts as that was part of Rubio's statement and is completely false. Um, blondiec47 said, "You do realize that the precedent is for the out going president to not put a person up during an election year." as if precedent is a tradition or norm. My point is that there's NO tradition for not putting someone up, it's just that there haven't been many opportunities. I just had this argument with my father the other night. It's just an oily, slithery way of the Republican party trying to support their rationale for blocking Garland. This becomes even more evident when you see the number of lower court judges appointed. ^^^ this is why I wrote my comment. As if one out of every 4 years, there shouldn't be any work done because of what might happen during an upcoming election? Man, I wish my job worked that way! The election process is getting WAAAAAAAAAAY too much in the way of actually DOING any legislating.
(I wish our elections were only 6 weeks long, like in some other countries)
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