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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 18:06:43 GMT
Coming from the drunk DA in Travis county, this is totally political (and I am not a Rick Perry fan). Completely laughable and pathetic. Lehmberg's office had nothing to do with Perry's investigation & indictment by the grand jury. In fact, she was investigated herself by the previous grand jury.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 18:10:12 GMT
But this:
How can someone who is sitting in the passenger seat of a car, in a parking lot, be arrested for drunk driving? There has to be more to that.
I'm not defending her - just addressing your question ------ if you are drunk the in the driver's seat, even if the car is not turned on, they can charge you with DUI in Texas. The legal presumption is that you could drive and you might drive. I have no idea if that lady actually drove or not. I did think she was in the driver's seat, but I'm not following it that closely.
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Post by Merge on Aug 16, 2014 18:15:03 GMT
I don't follow Texas politics at all but there have to be some Peas who actually voted for him ~ right? It seems that everyone dislikes him but yet he got elected. Lesser of two evils? Bingo! I've never heard any Texan, here or in real life, admit to having voted for him ... yet he just keeps getting elected over and over again. I think it is a lesser of two evils thing for many. But the vast majority of people I know IRL here in Texas vote Republican as reflexively as they scratch an itch. If you're white and middle class suburban, or if you're white and live in a small town or rural area, you almost always vote Republican here. I also think the more conservative Texans on this board aren't very vocal. Maybe because we liberal Texans tend to be so outspoken, or maybe because they're just not inclined to participate in political discussions here. I know they're here, though, because IRL people like me and the other Texas liberals here are very much in the minority!
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 16, 2014 18:20:42 GMT
But this:
How can someone who is sitting in the passenger seat of a car, in a parking lot, be arrested for drunk driving? There has to be more to that.
I'm not defending her - just addressing your question ------ if you are drunk the in the driver's seat, even if the car is not turned on, they can charge you with DUI in Texas. The legal presumption is that you could drive and you might drive. I have no idea if that lady actually drove or not. I did think she was in the driver's seat, but I'm not following it that closely. She was driving. Another motorist noticed her driving erratically and called police. When the police arrived she had pulled over. It's all on videotape.
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Post by doxielady on Aug 16, 2014 19:00:09 GMT
I'm not defending her - just addressing your question ------ if you are drunk the in the driver's seat, even if the car is not turned on, they can charge you with DUI in Texas. The legal presumption is that you could drive and you might drive. I have no idea if that lady actually drove or not. I did think she was in the driver's seat, but I'm not following it that closely. She was driving. Another motorist noticed her driving erratically and called police. When the police arrived she had pulled over. It's all on videotape. Thanks for the clarifications. As I said - I thought there was a bit more than was stated in the story. I also wondered if the laws in Texas specified about being in the car with liquor - and it sounds like it does.
Either way - drunk driving is serious and that's a real problem for the head of the Public Integrity Unit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 19:32:00 GMT
just reading this... I will admit I voted for Perry when I still lived in TX... sometimes voted against him in a primary though depending on who else was running. but if he was the R choice, he got my vote. Abbott would get my vote now. Not embarrassed to admit it.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 16, 2014 19:33:30 GMT
See, there is a God!
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Post by loco coco on Aug 16, 2014 19:45:32 GMT
Bingo! I've never heard any Texan, here or in real life, admit to having voted for him ... yet he just keeps getting elected over and over again. I think it is a lesser of two evils thing for many. But the vast majority of people I know IRL here in Texas vote Republican as reflexively as they scratch an itch. If you're white and middle class suburban, or if you're white and live in a small town or rural area, you almost always vote Republican here. I also think the more conservative Texans on this board aren't very vocal. Maybe because we liberal Texans tend to be so outspoken, or maybe because they're just not inclined to participate in political discussions here. I know they're here, though, because IRL people like me and the other Texas liberals here are very much in the minority! I guess we run in different circles, the majority of my friends here in TX are Dem and I am definitely the minority in the conversations. Im not uber conservative and believe thats whats killing the republican party. As far as Perry, meh... Ive never been on the love or hate bandwagon but he is definitely not the 1st to abuse power.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 16, 2014 19:45:54 GMT
The reason he's been indicted isn't because of the veto it's because of the threats he made beforehand. Threats that he would veto bills in order to further his agenda? Sounds vaguely familiar. you're right. It does! and Perry has spoken out against that 'other someone'. bad things happen to those who do that in this country! I wondered how long before it would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 19:46:58 GMT
Threats that he would veto bills in order to further his agenda? Sounds vaguely familiar. you're right. It does! and Perry has spoken out against that 'other someone'. bad things happen to those who do that in this country! I wondered how long before it would happen. And there it is. ROFLMAO!
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 16, 2014 21:09:24 GMT
Laugh all you want, Scrappower. While I'm not quite as certain as skypea that this was in retaliation, I do think it's oddly coincidental that this indictment happened after Perry actually took action to secure Texas' border when the President wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 22:33:55 GMT
I don't that's related - this grand jury has been in session for months now. However, this is Texas politics, so it is all abut power & money (and lots of both).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 22:42:09 GMT
Laugh all you want, Scrappower. While I'm not quite as certain as skypea that this was in retaliation, I do think it's oddly coincidental that this indictment happened after Perry actually took action to secure Texas' border when the President wouldn't. The indictment may have happened after that, but the investigation has been going on long before his political posturing at the border. I felt like it was Christmas this morning when I read the headlines and it even lessened my slight hangover as I was reading about the indictment.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 16, 2014 22:49:14 GMT
The DA committed a crime, driving while intoxicated. That is not an abuse of power, it is a lack of good judegement. If she had tried to use her position to get the cops to not arrest her, or to get the charges dropped to avoid jail, then you could claim she abused her power.
It sounds like she used the incident to get treatment and turn her life around. Which is what punishment for crimes is supposed to do, right??
Governor good hair, abused his powers when he threatened to withhold the funds necessary for her to do her job, if she didn't resign her position. That is good old fashioned coersion and extortion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 22:52:37 GMT
I see lots of comments on his "good hair". What's that all about?
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Post by straggler on Aug 16, 2014 22:59:38 GMT
It seems so few people have a conscience any more. You are the elected head of an Public Integrity Group and you get caught falling down drunk, and worse yet, you are driving under those conditions, are convicted, serve time and you don't resign from public office? How do people sink so low?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 23:12:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 23:15:28 GMT
It seems so few people have a conscience any more. You are the elected head of an Public Integrity Group and you get caught falling down drunk, and worse yet, you are driving under those conditions, are convicted, serve time and you don't resign from public office? How do people sink so low? What does this have to do with Governor Perry's indictment? The issue isn't the DA drunk driving conviction. Do you approve of the behavior the Governor is accused of then? So, in Texas, if you are an elected official and you do something wrong, regardless of whether you pay "your debt to society", it's a requirement that you resign?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:19:22 GMT
It seems so few people have a conscience any more. You are the elected head of an Public Integrity Group and you get caught falling down drunk, and worse yet, you are driving under those conditions, are convicted, serve time and you don't resign from public office? How do people sink so low? What does this have to do with Governor Perry's indictment? The issue isn't the DA drunk driving conviction. Do you approve of the behavior the Governor is accused of then? So, in Texas, if you are an elected official and you do something wrong, regardless of whether you pay "your debt to society", it's a requirement that you resign? Seems as the head of a Public Integrity Group she's missing one of the main qualifications for the job. Integrity. Sounds like she should resign.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:24:50 GMT
What does this have to do with Governor Perry's indictment? The issue isn't the DA drunk driving conviction. Do you approve of the behavior the Governor is accused of then? So, in Texas, if you are an elected official and you do something wrong, regardless of whether you pay "your debt to society", it's a requirement that you resign? Seems as the head of a Public Integrity Group she's missing one of the main qualifications for the job. Integrity. Sounds like she should resign. So for all the people saying that she shouldn't be able to hold political office, did you feel the same about George W. Bush and his DUI?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:32:18 GMT
What does this have to do with Governor Perry's indictment? The issue isn't the DA drunk driving conviction. Do you approve of the behavior the Governor is accused of then? So, in Texas, if you are an elected official and you do something wrong, regardless of whether you pay "your debt to society", it's a requirement that you resign? Seems as the head of a Public Integrity Group she's missing one of the main qualifications for the job. Integrity. Sounds like she should resign. So again, what does her drunk driving conviction and her decision not to resign have to do with the indictment? Is it because those of you that are focusing on her behavior believe that the behavior Governor Perry is accused of is okay or justified?
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Post by compwalla on Aug 17, 2014 0:32:23 GMT
Texas has the lowest voter turnout in the entire country. The reason no Texan admits to voting for rick perry is that almost none of them did. He was sent to Austin by just over 15% of the eligible Texas voters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:34:35 GMT
Seems as the head of a Public Integrity Group she's missing one of the main qualifications for the job. Integrity. Sounds like she should resign. So for all the people saying that she shouldn't be able to hold political office, did you feel the same about George W. Bush and his DUI? That isn't what I said at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:44:44 GMT
Gia, why are you saying she should resign?
I don't see how her DUI is different from all the other politicians who have pleaded guilty, done their time, and then moved on.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 17, 2014 0:54:36 GMT
I know a lot of alcoholics both active and in recovery who are very good at their jobs. Most practicing alcoholics can hold it together during working hours. They are "functional" alcoholics. If the DA was getting hammered during the course of her job and bumbling her work, then that would be cause for her to lose her job. She got her DUI during non working hours.
A DUI is sometimes the thing that wakes a person up to the fact that their drinking has become a "problem" so they seek treatment.
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Post by txdancermom on Aug 17, 2014 1:00:56 GMT
I will admit I voted for him - partly because the opponent(s) was sleezier....don't trust Perry one bit. And this is a mess and an embarrassment - both Perry and the DA are not blameless in this, but the DA admitted she drove drunk, did time, he doesn't see what he did (threaten her) was wrong. In her county it evidently is not a reason to boot her out of office, and whether she resigned or not was up to her and her constituents, not Perry.
it is political - everything involving politicians in Texas is....
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Post by denda on Aug 17, 2014 1:04:54 GMT
So it is ok then for a law enforcement official to be arrested for a DUI and to continue in her capacity of DA down there is Texas? Since she refused to do the right thing. resign, Perry would have been remiss if he allowed the funding to go to her office when she clearly has a drinking problem and has exhibits poor judgement. Well said!
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 1:05:17 GMT
It seems so few people have a conscience any more. You are the elected head of an Public Integrity Group and you get caught falling down drunk, and worse yet, you are driving under those conditions, are convicted, serve time and you don't resign from public office? How do people sink so low? What does this have to do with Governor Perry's indictment? The issue isn't the DA drunk driving conviction. Do you approve of the behavior the Governor is accused of then? So, in Texas, if you are an elected official and you do something wrong, regardless of whether you pay "your debt to society", it's a requirement that you resign? First of all, it has everything to do with the indictment. If the DA hadn't been irresponsibly drunk and out driving, he wouldn't have had to call for her resignation. If she had resigned as directed, he wouldn't have had to use his veto power to withhold funding her group until she resigned. If you don't approve of the Governor using his veto powers in order to further his agenda, you should be calling for a federal indictment of President Obama as well. He is doing the exact same thing. And yes, if you're caught putting people's lives at risk by breaking the law and drinking and driving (3x the legal limit! ARE YOU KIDDING ME???) you don't get to KEEP your job as the HEAD of a Public INTEGRITY Group. I don't get what part of that is unreasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 1:19:50 GMT
What does this have to do with Governor Perry's indictment? The issue isn't the DA drunk driving conviction. Do you approve of the behavior the Governor is accused of then? So, in Texas, if you are an elected official and you do something wrong, regardless of whether you pay "your debt to society", it's a requirement that you resign? First of all, it has everything to do with the indictment. If the DA hadn't been irresponsibly drunk and out driving, he wouldn't have had to call for her resignation. If she had resigned as directed, he wouldn't have had to use his veto power to withhold funding her group until she resigned. If you don't approve of the Governor using his veto powers in order to further his agenda, you should be calling for a federal indictment of President Obama as well. He is doing the exact same thing. And yes, if you're caught putting people's lives at risk by breaking the law and drinking and driving (3x the legal limit! ARE YOU KIDDING ME???) you don't get to KEEP your job as the HEAD of a Public INTEGRITY Group. I don't get what part of that is unreasonable. No, it really doesn't. It wasn't up to the Governor to decide.....I think Rick Perry thought it was, but the voters of her county are who count, not some blowhard Governor who only wanted her to resign, so he could appoint someone of his own liking.
The comparison to the President just makes me laugh.
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Post by paulaj3266 on Aug 17, 2014 1:38:37 GMT
This whole thing could be politically motivated. We hold elected officials to a higher standard, and an obvious drunk should not be in the office of Public Integrity. Her behavior was boorish and combative. There must be some voters in Austin who don't agree that she should still hold that office.
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