paulaj3266
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Post by paulaj3266 on Aug 17, 2014 1:42:39 GMT
Here is what I don't understand. Why would that DA want to call world-wide attention to the videos of her arrest. Soon everyone will see those videos. She is a hot mess.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 1:57:51 GMT
No, it really doesn't. It wasn't up to the Governor to decide.....I think Rick Perry thought it was, but the voters of her county are who count, not some blowhard Governor who only wanted her to resign, so he could appoint someone of his own liking.
The comparison to the President just makes me laugh.
She wasn't elected AFTER her drunk driving and arrest. She was already in office and had proven herself unfit for her position. Laughing at my comparison simply proves you are willing to justify actions of democrats and vilify that same action when a republican does it. Hundreds of bills have been passed by the House of Representatives. Harry Reid won't let them off his desk and the President has vowed to veto them if they make it to his desk. The President is manipulating the system with the power granted him by the Constitution. Obama's threat to veto bills is politically motivated. Perry did the same thing. He had an outcome in mind and used the power of veto granted him by his state's constitution. It's a pity so many refuse to see that it's the very same thing- using an executive power as a political tool to achieve an agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 2:28:24 GMT
Hundreds of bills that had no chance of ever passing the Senate. I don't care how many AND thank goodness the Senate didn't let them go any further....this country would be in a real world of butt hurt had that happened.
Obviously the rest of the country doesn't really care about how many bills the House has passed either, because they're approval rating is in the toilet at 13%, way lower than the President's. It's a pity that people will bring the President into a issue that has nothing to do with him, but let's not take the focus off the Governor, shall we?
I'll let you gals continue on trying to convince the other side that Rick Perry is a stand up guy and the woman deserved what she got and more.
Have a good evening! I'm going to go watch a movie with the spouse.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 2:33:15 GMT
Enjoy your movie.
And I will state once more, using the executive power of veto in order to ensure your political agenda is achieved is exactly what both Obama and Perry have done. You can agree with the reason for one and not the other, but it doesn't change the bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 2:40:30 GMT
Gia, why are you saying she should resign? I don't see how her DUI is different from all the other politicians who have pleaded guilty, done their time, and then moved on. I already said why I think she should resign right in the post you are responding to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 2:42:06 GMT
No, it really doesn't. It wasn't up to the Governor to decide.....I think Rick Perry thought it was, but the voters of her county are who count, not some blowhard Governor who only wanted her to resign, so he could appoint someone of his own liking.
The comparison to the President just makes me laugh.
She wasn't elected AFTER her drunk driving and arrest. She was already in office and had proven herself unfit for her position. Laughing at my comparison simply proves you are willing to justify actions of democrats and vilify that same action when a republican does it. Hundreds of bills have been passed by the House of Representatives. Harry Reid won't let them off his desk and the President has vowed to veto them if they make it to his desk. The President is manipulating the system with the power granted him by the Constitution. Obama's threat to veto bills is politically motivated. Perry did the same thing. He had an outcome in mind and used the power of veto granted him by his state's constitution. It's a pity so many refuse to see that it's the very same thing- using an executive power as a political tool to achieve an agenda. Same old propaganda line. When I read your comments about The President and what is going on in the Senate I think you are either extremely ignorant or only seeing what you want to see and not looking at all the facts. For what it's worth I don't think it's the first option. As to Rick Perry he overstepped his bounds. As others have suggested it is up to the people that voted for to decide her fate. I believe they can recall her or if not don't vote for her when she is up for reelection.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 2:45:46 GMT
Same old propaganda line. When I read your comments about The President and what is going on in the Senate I think you are either extremely ignorant or only seeing what you want to see and not looking at all the facts. For what it's worth I don't think it's the first option. Congratulations! You nailed my exact impression of your comments regarding the President and Congress!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 2:53:01 GMT
Same old propaganda line. When I read your comments about The President and what is going on in the Senate I think you are either extremely ignorant or only seeing what you want to see and not looking at all the facts. For what it's worth I don't think it's the first option. Congratulations! You nailed my exact impression of your comments regarding the President and Congress! [br Like I said same old line. But I will add where is your proof the President and Harry Reid are doing what you claim they are doing? All you are doing is throwing words out there with no proof. Kind of like this mnkgthshzvsj bkffyuxg mbxddjg.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 2:56:40 GMT
SSDD, Krazy. I refuse to play into your circular arguments tonight. Have a wonderful evening.
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Post by bomo on Aug 17, 2014 2:59:00 GMT
I was the other CA conservative who's vote never counted. I moved out of state, so it is all up to you!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 3:00:48 GMT
SSDD, Krazy. I refuse to play into your circular arguments tonight. Have a wonderful evening. Of course not because as I have over and over again you have not made your case... So you are right this is a waste of time. Good night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 3:06:49 GMT
I'll admit to voting for Perry and I think he's a sleezeball but has been a good governor for Texas.I haven't always voted for him in the primary but I REFUSE to vote for ANY democrat.
And this is completely a political hatchet job. Saying otherwise is just ridiculous.
There are several of us who are conservative Texans who used to participate in political discussions. I pretty much quit because I got tired of being called names. If I want to argue with kids, I have 2 of my own still at home.
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Post by gypsymama on Aug 17, 2014 3:12:10 GMT
you just called him a name... hypocritical much?
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 3:26:29 GMT
SSDD, Krazy. I refuse to play into your circular arguments tonight. Have a wonderful evening. Of course not because as I have over and over again you have not made your case... So you are right this is a waste of time. Good night. Actually, I have over and over again brought before you information that backs this up. So have others on multiple threads. You're the one who refuses to accept the facts regarding this administration. When information is brought to you, you change the argument and demand more proof. That's fine. Enjoy your time with your guy in office. 2016 can't get here fast enough for those of us who are paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 3:51:08 GMT
I voted for Perry. Twice. Like Wildcatmom, I don't like him very much, but no way would I vote Democrat. I no longer live in Texas though.
As far as the indictment, I believe it's completely politically motivated, and ridiculous.
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Post by sugarmama on Aug 17, 2014 4:08:06 GMT
I have voted for Rick Perry and I am not sorry of it. I don't agree with him on some issues and at times have thought him to be too conservative, but I prefer that over one who is too liberal. I guess I'm one of those who thinks this is a politically motivated stunt to discredit him. The way he stood up to take charge on the illegal immigrants really ruffled some feathers obviously. I'm also in the camp that the drunk should have resigned. We've had things like that happen locally on city council, etc. and they always have the decency to resign.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 17, 2014 6:18:05 GMT
Hundreds of bills that had no chance of ever passing the Senate. I don't care how many AND thank goodness the Senate didn't let them go any further....
obviously... BO has said time and again he won't compromise. It's his way or no way. DBO... do what he wants or he'll veto it. So much for being a free country. We aren't anymore.
and look around the country at those who stand up to BO... seems the gov of WI had to go thru it also. don't cross BO, he'll come after you. oh, like those conservatives the IRS went after too.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 17, 2014 6:26:03 GMT
When I read your comments about The President and what is going on in the Senate I think you are either extremely ignorant or only seeing what you want to see and not looking at all the facts. For what it's worth I don't think it's the first option. FWIW, I don't either of those are options for you.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 17, 2014 13:12:07 GMT
I pretty much stopped at this comment. My jaw dropped in shock. Really? Then those who didn't even bother to vote need to STFU about ANY political issues. Seriously. I'm sorry, but it's my mantra, which I share with kids and adults alike, is "if you don't bother to vote, you don't get to complain." How ironic: those who didn't even vote are usually the most likely to have complaints about EVERYTHING, from state reps to the President. Sheesh.
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Post by Merge on Aug 17, 2014 13:34:08 GMT
I voted in the last gubernatorial election ... for Bill White, the Democratic candidate. I'm wondering out of curiosity what some found so "sleazy" about him.
I have my suspicions that most here, as I stated earlier, tend to vote Republican reflexively and generally have no idea of the Democratic candidate's position on major issues.
ETA: a brief conversation with my republican husband just confirmed this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:21:02 GMT
Every veto ever made is politically motivated. The threat to veto bills because a governing body inherently disagrees with the bill's contents is not an abuse of power. Threatening to veto bills in order to try and force a person to resign his/her job is an abuse of power. That is why Perry was indicted and Obama has not. (Special note: executive orders are not the same as vetoes, and whether Obama should be indicted for his use of those is a separate issue from this thread.)
Signed - A centrist who agrees with Perry that the DA should have resigned but thinks he was an idiot to try and blackmail her using the funding bill and deserved to be indicted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:39:18 GMT
I voted in the last gubernatorial election ... for Bill White, the Democratic candidate. I'm wondering out of curiosity what some found so "sleazy" about him. I have my suspicions that most here, as I stated earlier, tend to vote Republican reflexively and generally have no idea of the Democratic candidate's position on major issues. ETA: a brief conversation with my republican husband just confirmed this. I think Perry won against White because Perry refused to debate him. Perry kept his mouth shut and rode the republican ticket back into office. If there had been a debate, it would have been a different race. White was a serious political threat.
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Post by jamh on Aug 17, 2014 15:23:20 GMT
Texas has the lowest voter turnout in the entire country. The reason no Texan admits to voting for rick perry is that almost none of them did. He was sent to Austin by just over 15% of the eligible Texas voters. Hi,compwalla, Just out of curiosity, would you please cite your source of this info? JamH
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 15:50:01 GMT
Texas has the lowest voter turnout in the entire country. The reason no Texan admits to voting for rick perry is that almost none of them did. He was sent to Austin by just over 15% of the eligible Texas voters. Hi,compwalla, Just out of curiosity, would you please cite your source of this info? JamH Obviously not Compwalla, but here's how I verified her info. quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html - Per the US census, the population of Texas in 2010 was 25,145,561. Assuming the percentage of persons under 18 has remained constant (~27%), the population of eligible voters in Texas was 18,356,260. elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe - Per the Texas state election board, 2,737,481 people voted for Rick Perry in the 2010 election. Which is roughly 15% of the eligible voting population. As an aside, only 4,979,840 votes were cast overall in the 2010 Texas governor's race, which is about 27% of all eligible voters.
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Post by katybee on Aug 17, 2014 16:15:57 GMT
Perry did not pull funding from the Public Integrity Unit because DA Lehmberg was arrested for drunk driving. Republicans HATE the Public Integrity Unit because it has targeted many of the corrupt good ol' boy Republicans in the state. But Lehmberg's arrest and the video were a HUGE embarrassment and Perry saw an opportunity and took it... Who's going to raise a fuss over getting a drunk out of office???
But plain and simple-- He broke the law. If you break the law, you have to face the consequences. You cannot pick and choose which laws to follow, no matter how good you think your reasons are.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 17, 2014 16:21:55 GMT
I pretty much stopped at this comment. My jaw dropped in shock. Really? Then those who didn't even bother to vote need to STFU about ANY political issues. Seriously. I'm sorry, but it's my mantra, which I share with kids and adults alike, is "if you don't bother to vote, you don't get to complain." How ironic: those who didn't even vote are usually the most likely to have complaints about EVERYTHING, from state reps to the President. Sheesh. I know we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum @kelpea but on this we can agree!
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Post by compwalla on Aug 17, 2014 17:01:41 GMT
Hi,compwalla, Just out of curiosity, would you please cite your source of this info? JamH Obviously not Compwalla, but here's how I verified her info. quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html - Per the US census, the population of Texas in 2010 was 25,145,561. Assuming the percentage of persons under 18 has remained constant (~27%), the population of eligible voters in Texas was 18,356,260. elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe - Per the Texas state election board, 2,737,481 people voted for Rick Perry in the 2010 election. Which is roughly 15% of the eligible voting population. As an aside, only 4,979,840 votes were cast overall in the 2010 Texas governor's race, which is about 27% of all eligible voters. Thank you! All I have to do is say "what she said." That is what I was coming back to post. What I find most upsetting about Republicans in Texas is the reflexive voting they do. The bias against "D" on the ballot is so strong that it doesn't matter if the GOP runs a total clown, that candidate has a strong chance of winning. I don't expect we'll ever get straight ticket voters to change their minds but I do wish that they would really examine the candidates especially for races that seem less important but actually have a huge impact on their day-to-day lives. More and more we are seeing fiscally moderate to conservative but socially more liberal candidates running on the Democratic ticket because their social positions make them not radical enough to win a GOP primary. If fiscally moderate to conservative voters would just open their minds a tiny bit, I think they would see some of our candidates as better than the guy on their tickets. The best example of this I know if is Mike Collier who is running for state comptroller. He is a CPA who worked for Exxon for many years and is supremely qualified. He's fiscally right-leaning and has really sound ideas about the need for oversight of state spending and has called for increased transparency and accountability from the comptroller's office. The guy running against him is a Tea Party farmer who wants to eliminate property tax and convert the entire state to sales tax which pretty much every reasonable money person agrees will increase the taxes of the average working Texan. He has no experience in accounting and finance whatsoever. Most of all, I am working to get people to register and show up at the polls. I have been absolutely appalled at the obstructionist tactics employed to hamper our efforts to increase participation in this state. We've had deputized registrars told they could not register voters at public events all across the state. They've been barred from voter registration activities over and over because the entrenched in power here know that if participation increases, they will no longer have the votes. 15% of Texas will no longer be enough to keep their jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 17:14:15 GMT
Obviously not Compwalla, but here's how I verified her info. quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html - Per the US census, the population of Texas in 2010 was 25,145,561. Assuming the percentage of persons under 18 has remained constant (~27%), the population of eligible voters in Texas was 18,356,260. elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe - Per the Texas state election board, 2,737,481 people voted for Rick Perry in the 2010 election. Which is roughly 15% of the eligible voting population. As an aside, only 4,979,840 votes were cast overall in the 2010 Texas governor's race, which is about 27% of all eligible voters. Thank you! All I have to do is say "what she said." That is what I was coming back to post. What I find most upsetting about Republicans in Texas is the reflexive voting they do. The bias against "D" on the ballot is so strong that it doesn't matter if the GOP runs a total clown, that candidate has a strong chance of winning. I don't expect we'll ever get straight ticket voters to change their minds but I do wish that they would really examine the candidates especially for races that seem less important but actually have a huge impact on their day-to-day lives. More and more we are seeing fiscally moderate to conservative but socially more liberal candidates running on the Democratic ticket because their social positions make them not radical enough to win a GOP primary. If fiscally moderate to conservative voters would just open their minds a tiny bit, I think they would see some of our candidates as better than the guy on their tickets. The best example of this I know if is Mike Collier who is running for state comptroller. He is a CPA who worked for Exxon for many years and is supremely qualified. He's fiscally right-leaning and has really sound ideas about the need for oversight of state spending and has called for increased transparency and accountability from the comptroller's office. The guy running against him is a Tea Party farmer who wants to eliminate property tax and convert the entire state to sales tax which pretty much every reasonable money person agrees will increase the taxes of the average working Texan. He has no experience in accounting and finance whatsoever. Most of all, I am working to get people to register and show up at the polls. I have been absolutely appalled at the obstructionist tactics employed to hamper our efforts to increase participation in this state. We've had deputized registrars told they could not register voters at public events all across the state. They've been barred from voter registration activities over and over because the entrenched in power here know that if participation increases, they will no longer have the votes. 15% of Texas will no longer be enough to keep their jobs. But Texas isn't alone in that. Illinois was the same - just opposite. There was no chance of getting any Republican representation due to the overwhelming power that Chicago and "Democrat only" voters in Chicago. I'm sure there are other states that are the same, but that's just my view having lived in both states.
A big reason for our move here was to get representation by the party that we most agree with. If that means living in a state where people vote straight party ticket, then so be it. I guarantee that Texas politics will never outdirty Illinois politics.
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Post by compwalla on Aug 17, 2014 17:20:45 GMT
We're working our asses off. You might have to move again soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 17:37:12 GMT
We're working our asses off. You might have to move again soon. Nah. You are in a liberal pocket of the state. Believe me, the red is strong around here.
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