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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 7, 2017 22:59:40 GMT
The thing that really worries me - We have shifted so far one direction and with all the calls "remember Nov 2018" that we are going to do exactly the opposite in a few years. So we are screwed one way and then the other way. I know it's too much to ask for people just to be moderate! But I know the vast majority collectively prefers to be far right and far left and no middle ground. I'm sorry, but the republicans have been working for nobody but themselves the last 8 years. It is time for them to go. Not everyone is far left or far right, but the ones who have shown than they are not listening to their constituents or willing to work across the aisle are not doing their jobs.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 7, 2017 23:01:40 GMT
Ugh. I just have to outlast her. I'm a teacher. I have a kindergartener and an 11 month old. Hopefully she doesn't do too much damage. AND why is this an APPOINTED position and not a voted position?
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Post by flanz on Feb 7, 2017 23:04:27 GMT
yet another reason to continue homeschooling. That's how my dd feels...she homeschools her kids and has done so for several years.
Sad, nonetheless for those that don't have that opportunity.
EXACTLY! Being able to home school is a privilege a great many people just don't have!
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 7, 2017 23:04:42 GMT
Ugh. I just have to outlast her. I'm a teacher. I have a kindergartener and an 11 month old. Hopefully she doesn't do too much damage. AND why is this an APPOINTED position and not a voted position? Are you advocating for elected cabinet positions? lol - because we have such a rich history of consistent participation as a voting public. SaveSave
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Post by flanz on Feb 7, 2017 23:06:28 GMT
As a public school teacher of 21 years...my heart hurts today. I believe in public education.
(((HUGS)))) and THANK YOU!!!
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 7, 2017 23:07:43 GMT
Ugh. I just have to outlast her. I'm a teacher. I have a kindergartener and an 11 month old. Hopefully she doesn't do too much damage. AND why is this an APPOINTED position and not a voted position? Are you advocating for elected cabinet positions? lol - because we have such a rich history of consistent participation as a voting public. SaveSaveWhat do you think aut all of the charter schools in Michigan that have performed badly, and for which she has resisted calls for accountability?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 23:09:18 GMT
@zingermack - I messaged you the payroll info. Will have a look.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Feb 7, 2017 23:12:54 GMT
I'm not aware of a teacher shortage. In fact, there are many certified teachers who cannot find employment. It depends on where you are and on what subjects are looking at. There are lots of elementary teachers, But not so many science and math, for instance That's what I've been hearing for over a decade. However, math and science teachers are also having a hard time and math professors an even harder time.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 7, 2017 23:15:37 GMT
Unshockingly, both votes from my state were yes.
I say unshockingly, because our state govt has spent the past several years destroying our education system.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 7, 2017 23:28:40 GMT
Are you advocating for elected cabinet positions? lol - because we have such a rich history of consistent participation as a voting public. SaveSaveWhat do you think aut all of the charter schools in Michigan that have performed badly, and for which she has resisted calls for accountability? My reply to sea explore was regarding elected cabinet positions. However, there are as many studies out there regarding the inefficiency of charter schools as there are the success of charter schools. I can tell you that the charter schools that are struggling the most are the ones that stepped into the quagmire left behind after the demise of the Detroit Public Schools - a system that was disgustingly run into the ground by the corrupt political leadership there. The challenges faced by a new educational system thrown together to provide SOMEWHERE for these trapped students to go are unfathomable. Some charters have failed, some have thrived, and some are still finding their way. Just like the public schools. SaveSave
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 7, 2017 23:28:50 GMT
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 7, 2017 23:29:13 GMT
As a public school teacher of 21 years...my heart hurts today. I believe in public education.
Thank you for your commitment to our kids.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 7, 2017 23:31:00 GMT
I only have one word to express how I feel: FUCK!
I will do what I can to help get rid of our Senator Deb Fischer in 2018.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 7, 2017 23:32:17 GMT
So much for "draining the swamp"
Looks to me like he's simply expanding the Everglades. :/ SMH.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 7, 2017 23:33:48 GMT
What do you think aut all of the charter schools in Michigan that have performed badly, and for which she has resisted calls for accountability? My reply to sea explore was regarding elected cabinet positions. However, there are as many studies out there regarding the inefficiency of charter schools as there are the success of charter schools. I can tell you that the charter schools that are struggling the most are the ones that stepped into the quagmire left behind after the demise of the Detroit Public Schools - a system that was disgustingly run into the ground by the corrupt political leadership there. The challenges faced by a new educational system thrown together to provide SOMEWHERE for these trapped students to go are unfathomable. Some charters have failed, some have thrived, and some are still finding their way. Just like the public schools. SaveSaveDoesn't look good. www.freep.com/story/news/education/2017/01/18/charter-schools-michigan/96720276/The pubic schools no doubt have problems, and buildings are among them. But is this the answer?
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Post by Merge on Feb 7, 2017 23:42:26 GMT
That's how my dd feels...she homeschools her kids and has done so for several years.
Sad, nonetheless for those that don't have that opportunity.
EXACTLY! Being able to home school is a privilege a great many people just don't have! Plus, to be perfectly honest, it's something that a great many people are not equipped to do. If you're struggling with they're/their/there and you're/your - and a quick glance through the comments section of any news site shows that many people are - please leave teaching to the professionals.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 7, 2017 23:47:40 GMT
EXACTLY! Being able to home school is a privilege a great many people just don't have! Plus, to be perfectly honest, it's something that a great many people are not equipped to do. If you're struggling with they're/their/there and you're/your - and a quick glance through the comments section of any news site shows that many people are - please leave teaching to the professionals. It is also not socially desirable that all parents homeschool. I teach around 250 adults law every year; if I homeschooled, society would lose that. Public schools are wonderful for 10,000 reasons, but among many other things, they are more efficient than having everyone teach their own kids.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 7, 2017 23:54:21 GMT
My reply to sea explore was regarding elected cabinet positions. However, there are as many studies out there regarding the inefficiency of charter schools as there are the success of charter schools. I can tell you that the charter schools that are struggling the most are the ones that stepped into the quagmire left behind after the demise of the Detroit Public Schools - a system that was disgustingly run into the ground by the corrupt political leadership there. The challenges faced by a new educational system thrown together to provide SOMEWHERE for these trapped students to go are unfathomable. Some charters have failed, some have thrived, and some are still finding their way. Just like the public schools. SaveSaveDoesn't look good. www.freep.com/story/news/education/2017/01/18/charter-schools-michigan/96720276/The pubic schools no doubt have problems, and buildings are among them. But is this the answer? The main difference between failing public schools and failing charter schools is that the charters are forced to close and students relocated/reassigned. Public schools get to fail and fail and fail and fail and fail. For years. YEARS. Additionally, in Detroit, the Mayor refused to allow charters to locate within one mile of an existing public school. So, not only were public schools failing their students, they were also hamstringing a student's ability to relocate to a more successful school. So, yeah, I think that options in education is absolutely the answer. Is it always pretty and perfect? Nope. But, better than sentencing the most vulnerable students to the most abhorrent of conditions with no other options available. That's a jail sentence. SaveSave
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 7, 2017 23:55:58 GMT
trust me - in my district we were paying 6 figures for an art teacher. A high school art teacher. I'm not sure if you're trying to imply that public school teacher salary should be dependent on subject taught. I live in a state where many municipalities have separate elementary and high school districts, and the high school salaries are often substantially higher...and back when I taught (deaf) early childhood, I knew some non-educators who believed I should get paid less than the elementary teachers 'cause it was "only preschool"...and when I taught (deaf) elementary, some non-educators believed I should get paid less than other elementary teachers 'cause I only had eight students in my class. So, I'm always curious about people's opinions about teacher salaries. My opinion? I will always push back on the argument that it's "harder" to teach a teen to read/analyze Shakespeare than it is to teach a six year-old to read. Similar arguments can be made about the comparison of difficulty teaching academics and the arts.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 7, 2017 23:56:43 GMT
Seriously. Does he not know a single contributor who attended public school for at least a short time? Or someone who once took a course on education? Maybe even someone who at least sold a product to public schools? Someone who has heard of IDEA A teacher at our rural school, in her 28th year of teaching, made less than the brand new entry level employee (her son) at our chain lumberyard. That is disgusting! My cousin in Wyoming started out making more money as a first year teacher than her aunt with a Masters degree in Utah. BTW, she doesn't feel the need to have a concealed weapon while teaching to thwart the grizzly bears. She does own guns and she uses them; for hunting. She feels quite safe in her classroom.
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Post by melissa on Feb 8, 2017 0:01:11 GMT
Relieved to know she feels safe from the grizzlies in her classroom! Does she feel the same on the playground? Do they have bearproof fences in Wyoming?
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 8, 2017 0:12:00 GMT
Relieved to know she feels safe from the grizzlies in her classroom! Does she feel the same on the playground? Do they have bearproof fences in Wyoming? It's weird, she lives in an area with a population of almost 25,000. Nowhere near Yellowstone National Park. It's so odd to see these things called towns. There's even sidewalks, rec centers, and shopping.
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Post by scrapaddie on Feb 8, 2017 0:12:27 GMT
It depends on where you are and on what subjects are looking at. There are lots of elementary teachers, But not so many science and math, for instance That's what I've been hearing for over a decade. However, math and science teachers are also having a hard time and math professors an even harder time. In our area, in the sciences, We might have only five or six applicants that are qualified to teach chemistry or physics. Biology teachers are easier to find. But still, we may only have 12 applicants whereas when there's a history position to fill there may be 50 to 60 applicants. for elementary positions our school gets literally hundreds of applications. when my daughter decided she want to go back and get a degree in education, I highly recommended that she become certified in special-education. After checking with her friends who are teaching, that is exactly what she did
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 8, 2017 0:24:33 GMT
Just read this-from NY Magazine: Image She’ll get to be secretary of Education, but probably won’t have much luck getting Congress to enact her policies. Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images Betsy DeVos and the president who nominated the longtime champion of publicly funded private schools to be secretary of Education can have a muted celebration today after Vice-President Mike Pence broke a Senate tie to confirm her. But the surprisingly difficult struggle over DeVos is not a good sign for the policies with which she has been identified. For one thing, her nomination and her performance in confirmation hearings galvanized public education advocates to an unprecedented degree, and also made her a symbol of the sometimes comical fecklessness of the incoming Trump administration generally. As Alia Wong notes, DeVos was the target of a savagely effective Saturday Night Live skit and has become something of a social-media cartoon villain. “All us education nerds were on Twitter saying, ‘Whoa, there was an education secretary being spoofed on SNL!’ That says it all, right?” said Joshua Starr, the CEO of PDK International, a professional educators’ association, and the former superintendent of Montgomery County Schools in Maryland. What matters most about DeVos, though, is the polarizing effect her nomination produced in the Senate. None of the ten Democratic senators from states carried by Trump who are up for reelection in 2018 supported her confirmation, and she lost two Republicans (Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski). That spells trouble for the idea Trump embraced during the presidential campaign: using federal education funds as a carrot and stick to get states to embrace and expand “school choice” options, which in the Trump-DeVos universe means giving parents public money to choose private (including religious) schools as well as independently operated public charter schools. Enacting that proposal would involve an amendment to the Every Student Succeeds Act (the successor to No Child Left Behind) that would normally require 60 Senate votes, including eight Democrats. It’s hard to see where those votes would come from. It is possible a radical education proposal like this could be nestled into one of the two budget reconciliation bills Congress is expected to consider this year, assuming Republicans can get their act together on various related political and policy decisions. But the first of those bills is supposed to repeal Obamacare, and the second is reserved for tax cuts, and after the furor over DeVos it is doubtful the administration or its congressional allies will want to risk either of those mega-priorities by engaging the political buzzsaw that endangered the DeVos nomination. I hope that is what happens.
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Post by wholarmor on Feb 8, 2017 0:47:22 GMT
Relieved to know she feels safe from the grizzlies in her classroom! Does she feel the same on the playground? Do they have bearproof fences in Wyoming? It's weird, she lives in an area with a population of almost 25,000. Nowhere near Yellowstone National Park. It's so odd to see these things called towns. There's even sidewalks, rec centers, and shopping. We have all of that, and no bears, but we do get moose! The local PD had to put a notice out to tell people to quit calling 911 if they saw a moose- unless it was being violent.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 8, 2017 0:54:26 GMT
We have all of that, and no bears, but we do get moose! The local PD had to put a notice out to tell people to quit calling 911 if they saw a moose- unless it was being violent. Moose scare me! They are so mean and fast! I wouldn't call 911, but I'd probably call the non-emergency number.
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Post by frenchie on Feb 8, 2017 1:03:52 GMT
And you know what really ticks me off? Pat Toomey's phones have been turned off for days. On his facebook page, he claims it is because he was getting too many calls from out of state people and he only wants to hear from his constituents. Really? But you can accept $60K in donations from an out-of-state donor and then vote for her for a Cabinet position which she is highly unqualified for. And IRL, I do not know a single Republican who was in support of her. My Republican DH is losing all faith in his party. Exactly. Out of State money is AOK. So donate to their opponents. Funny how they never mind out of state money, just out of state phone calls. Toomey is one of my senators (I'm embarrassed to even say it). He will be hearing from me. Asshole.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 8, 2017 1:05:12 GMT
Ugh. I just have to outlast her. I'm a teacher. I have a kindergartener and an 11 month old. Hopefully she doesn't do too much damage. AND why is this an APPOINTED position and not a voted position? Are you advocating for elected cabinet positions? lol - because we have such a rich history of consistent participation as a voting public. SaveSaveI don't know what I'm advocating for. Do you think she would win the popular vote? I'm curious what the cabinet would look like if "donations" and the money trail were removed.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 8, 2017 1:05:20 GMT
What do you think aut all of the charter schools in Michigan that have performed badly, and for which she has resisted calls for accountability? My reply to sea explore was regarding elected cabinet positions. However, there are as many studies out there regarding the inefficiency of charter schools as there are the success of charter schools. I can tell you that the charter schools that are struggling the most are the ones that stepped into the quagmire left behind after the demise of the Detroit Public Schools - a system that was disgustingly run into the ground by the corrupt political leadership there. The challenges faced by a new educational system thrown together to provide SOMEWHERE for these trapped students to go are unfathomable. Some charters have failed, some have thrived, and some are still finding their way. Just like the public schools. SaveSaveI dunno; it all sounds bad, but the charters sound worse. And let me say that this story meshes with what I have been observing in Ohio. Charters were so outrageous here that the legislature, goaded by article after article of poor charter performance and public money RIP-offs, finally passed some standards that charters must live by. www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-more-school-choice-but-not-better-schools.html?_r=1
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Post by wholarmor on Feb 8, 2017 1:08:33 GMT
We have all of that, and no bears, but we do get moose! The local PD had to put a notice out to tell people to quit calling 911 if they saw a moose- unless it was being violent. Moose scare me! They are so mean and fast! I wouldn't call 911, but I'd probably call the non-emergency number. Yeah, we haven't had any cases of them being mean. They just sit around in people's backyards. They did have to tell people to quit hand feeding them.
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