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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 13:26:18 GMT
"Ashley Biden, former vice-president Joe Biden's daughter, has launched a new clothing line that President Trump should be pleased about. Livelihood is 100% made in the USA and proceeds will go to help underserved communities across the country. American manufacturing is a big thing for the president so he's got to be pretty happy, right? In contrast, items from Trump's daughter Ivanka's fashion line were made in China and shipped in.... t comes as no real surprise that a social worker has launched a clothing line which financially supports struggling areas in society." www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38955611/trump-should-love-ashley-bidens-new-fashion-line
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Post by gailoh on Feb 13, 2017 13:42:17 GMT
don't care...just tired of the BS of it all
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Post by cade387 on Feb 13, 2017 14:08:33 GMT
don't care...just tired of the BS of it all You think putting manufacturing jobs in the USA is BS?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 14:17:21 GMT
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 13, 2017 14:50:26 GMT
I think what she is doing sounds great and I hope the business is very successful. I could care less whether her father is a Democrat or a Republican.
I do think we are all going to have to accept the fact that goods made in America are going to generally be more expensive than goods made elsewhere. Manufacturers in America are legally required to pay minimum wage, maintain a safe working environment, not use child labor, etc., which is not the case in many parts of the world where goods are manufactured.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 13, 2017 14:59:53 GMT
I think what she is doing sounds great and I hope the business is very successful. I could care less whether her father is a Democrat or a Republican. I do think we are all going to have to accept the fact that goods made in America are going to generally be more expensive than goods made elsewhere. Manufacturers in America are legally required to pay minimum wage, maintain a safe working environment, not use child labor, etc., which is not the case in many parts of the world where goods are manufactured. My husband's family ran a domestic textile company from the 1940s-1990s. They went bankrupt--they used domestic mills to manufacture and they simply could not, in the end, in the era of cheap fast fashion, make a profit.
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Post by cade387 on Feb 13, 2017 15:07:20 GMT
I think what she is doing sounds great and I hope the business is very successful. I could care less whether her father is a Democrat or a Republican. I do think we are all going to have to accept the fact that goods made in America are going to generally be more expensive than goods made elsewhere. Manufacturers in America are legally required to pay minimum wage, maintain a safe working environment, not use child labor, etc., which is not the case in many parts of the world where goods are manufactured.
I totally agree. That is why I'm trying to understand why it is BS (per a different poster)
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Post by gar on Feb 13, 2017 15:20:26 GMT
It's likely she meant politics in general, but why she opened a political thread to tell us that I'm not sure
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Post by cade387 on Feb 13, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
It's likely she meant politics in general, but why she opened a political thread to tell us that I'm not sure I agree.... could have been posted on the twitter thread, etc.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 13, 2017 15:28:18 GMT
I'll be curious about the volume she'll be able to achieve at $99 for a plain hoodie. I'd think she would have done something to differentiate them.
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Post by kat on Feb 13, 2017 15:28:37 GMT
gailohYou spend all day every day BTT'g posts telling refupeas with kids and pets how to take care of them because they can't do that without your help, but you feel that helping people in communities by bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is BS that you are tired of? One post makes you tired of the subject?
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Post by amom23 on Feb 13, 2017 15:30:24 GMT
Good for her for trying!
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Post by kat on Feb 13, 2017 16:09:20 GMT
I'll be curious about the volume she'll be able to achieve at $99 for a plain hoodie. I'd think she would have done something to differentiate them. If they are a heavy material and well made so they fit better then the 5.99 hoodies at Walmart, I would buy one. Hoodies don't seem to go out of style but agree it would be nice to have a made in the USA tag or something on it.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 13, 2017 16:49:11 GMT
I think what she is doing sounds great and I hope the business is very successful. I could care less whether her father is a Democrat or a Republican. I do think we are all going to have to accept the fact that goods made in America are going to generally be more expensive than goods made elsewhere. Manufacturers in America are legally required to pay minimum wage, maintain a safe working environment, not use child labor, etc., which is not the case in many parts of the world where goods are manufactured. I find this is often missing from the conversation. Americans want cheap good and services AND well paying manufacturing jobs in the US. Something has to give. I hope the line is successful and we see more companies shifting production to the US, but I think it will be tough for companies. They need to find a market they can tap into that is willing to pay a premium. I do see successful companies in very niche, high end markets for outdoor gear. And some not as high end. If you are looking for quality wool socks, I highly recommend Darn Tough socks. They are made in Vermont and the socks are awesome (only socks we wear for hiking/camping/trail running).
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Post by angel97701 on Feb 20, 2017 17:06:42 GMT
I think what she is doing sounds great and I hope the business is very successful. I could care less whether her father is a Democrat or a Republican. I do think we are all going to have to accept the fact that goods made in America are going to generally be more expensive than goods made elsewhere. Manufacturers in America are legally required to pay minimum wage, maintain a safe working environment, not use child labor, etc., which is not the case in many parts of the world where goods are manufactured. Not to mention paying workman's comp, Unemployment taxes, FMLA, etc. It is VERY expensive to run a small business in the US. Many of the laws on the books favor the employee to the point where a small business CAN NOT make a profit. I am not saying that we should have unsafe work places, or not provide a working wage. But when an employee says he quits, and then can still get unemployment that effects the employers bottom line that is JUST WRONG! (And yes this happened to our company more than once!) We can give training on safe behaviors on the job and when an employee is injured when NOT following the rules, the company is still responsible. Personal responsibility for the employee is almost non-existent, and the employer is like a parent having to following a child around to keep them from hurting them self. OK, sorry for de-railing OP's original thread, rant over!
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Post by brina on Feb 20, 2017 17:44:11 GMT
pudgy groundhog nailed it - you cannot have well paying manufacturing jobs and cheap prices - the math does not work out.
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Post by loco coco on Feb 20, 2017 17:49:28 GMT
I think these will sell just because they are hers, just like Ivankas stuff started flying off the shelves. I hope she does well but I think she should have added a logo or a little more design, I don't know many people who would pay this much for a plain hoody.
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Post by flanz on Feb 20, 2017 17:53:32 GMT
I think what she is doing sounds great and I hope the business is very successful. I could care less whether her father is a Democrat or a Republican. I do think we are all going to have to accept the fact that goods made in America are going to generally be more expensive than goods made elsewhere. Manufacturers in America are legally required to pay minimum wage, maintain a safe working environment, not use child labor, etc., which is not the case in many parts of the world where goods are manufactured. I find this is often missing from the conversation. Americans want cheap good and services AND well paying manufacturing jobs in the US. Something has to give. I hope the line is successful and we see more companies shifting production to the US, but I think it will be tough for companies. They need to find a market they can tap into that is willing to pay a premium. I do see successful companies in very niche, high end markets for outdoor gear. And some not as high end. If you are looking for quality wool socks, I highly recommend Darn Tough socks. They are made in Vermont and the socks are awesome (only socks we wear for hiking/camping/trail running). Our family second's your Darn Tough socks rec! Buying quality and having it last is often faaar less expensive in the long run too. That's why I love our Blendtec (workhorse!) blender, Miele dishwasher, etc. They last, and last, and last. I know it is a privilege to be able to afford them, but I am grateful that I'm not throwing a cheap blender into the landfill every year when I go out and buy another $30 one to replace it....
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 20, 2017 18:40:30 GMT
pudgy groundhog nailed it - you cannot have well paying manufacturing jobs and cheap prices - the math does not work out. Very relevant to the discussion, I recently listened to this Plant Money episode about protectionist policies in Argentina and how it played out: The Phone at the End of the World
(and this is not saying we shouldn't do what we can to have manufacturing jobs in the US, but rather you can't have the government propping up unsustainable industries)
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 20, 2017 18:41:45 GMT
I find this is often missing from the conversation. Americans want cheap good and services AND well paying manufacturing jobs in the US. Something has to give. I hope the line is successful and we see more companies shifting production to the US, but I think it will be tough for companies. They need to find a market they can tap into that is willing to pay a premium. I do see successful companies in very niche, high end markets for outdoor gear. And some not as high end. If you are looking for quality wool socks, I highly recommend Darn Tough socks. They are made in Vermont and the socks are awesome (only socks we wear for hiking/camping/trail running). Our family second's your Darn Tough socks rec! Buying quality and having it last is often faaar less expensive in the long run too. That's why I love our Blendtec (workhorse!) blender, Miele dishwasher, etc. They last, and last, and last. I know it is a privilege to be able to afford them, but I am grateful that I'm not throwing a cheap blender into the landfill every year when I go out and buy another $30 one to replace it.... I agree! I hate that it's often cheaper to just buy something new than have it repaired (if you could even find somebody to repair it).
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Post by brina on Feb 20, 2017 19:18:00 GMT
We definitely cannot have the government propping up industries, that does not work.
Part of the problem is Wall Street. Stock prices respond to short term gains - stock prices rise when a company posts a six month gain, or a predicted quarterly or even annual profit. Wall street ignores long term plans and investments. Even steady profits are seen as a failure - its all about growth. Privately held companies have an advantage in that they do not have to answer to the market.
Consumers do not help when they demand cheap prices at any cost. A few years back I purchased my daughter a new hockey bag. It was really just a large duffle made our of extra tough fabric with reinforced seams. Our club's logo was on the side and it was sold by a small locally owned store that employs kids from our high school. It was made in America and cost $100. A friend of mine sent me an email of a fancier bag that cost less and told me I should return the one that I purchased. The one available on-line was made in a third world country and was sold by a website that did not maintain a bricks and mortar store.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:57:20 GMT
I hope it's a success for her and it sounds great at what she is doing to help the communities that need it.
At least she doing more than Trump himself is. I was surprised after all the preaching he's done about buying American that the FLOTUS turned up at the rally in Florida yesterday wearing a dress from a British designer and shoes from a French designer!
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Post by georgiapea on Feb 21, 2017 0:01:25 GMT
I have no problem with her endeavor but that's a really ugly hoodie. The sleeves are too tight, the hood is big and baggy and it looks like it has a big ugly metal zipper.
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Post by Sam on Feb 21, 2017 0:04:16 GMT
gailoh You spend all day every day BTT'g posts telling refupeas with kids and pets how to take care of them because they can't do that without your help, but you feel that helping people in communities by bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is BS that you are tired of? One post makes you tired of the subject? Sorry....tell me how gailoh posting her PSA about kids and animals in any way equates to someone building a brand on the latest zeitgeist and making money from it? To be honest, I can see why she sees this as BS and, if you can't, more fool you. The comment was more than likely based on the fact that this is yet another family member of yet another politician who will gain publicity from that link. I don't see in the article cited exactly what % of the 'proceeds will go to help underserved communities across the country' so I am pretty much as cynical as she is. I also don't see any reference to who will be making this range and whether or not they are paid more than minimum wage, whether the manufacturing will be focused on areas that most need the employment, which zip codes are liekly to be selected or the prijects the line will fund. So, from that point of view, I agree that it's verging on (if not over the edge of) BS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 0:25:05 GMT
gailoh You spend all day every day BTT'g posts telling refupeas with kids and pets how to take care of them because they can't do that without your help, but you feel that helping people in communities by bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is BS that you are tired of? One post makes you tired of the subject? Sorry....tell me how gailoh posting her PSA about kids and animals in any way equates to someone building a brand on the latest zeitgeist and making money from it? To be honest, I can see why she sees this as BS and, if you can't, more fool you. The comment was more than likely based on the fact that this is yet another family member of yet another politician who will gain publicity from that link. I don't see in the article cited exactly what % of the 'proceeds will go to help underserved communities across the country' so I am pretty much as cynical as she is. I also don't see any reference to who will be making this range and whether or not they are paid more than minimum wage, whether the manufacturing will be focused on areas that most need the employment, which zip codes are liekly to be selected or the prijects the line will fund. So, from that point of view, I agree that it's verging on (if not over the edge of) BS In the second link further down the thread it has a bit more info
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Post by lucyg on Feb 21, 2017 0:29:24 GMT
gailoh You spend all day every day BTT'g posts telling refupeas with kids and pets how to take care of them because they can't do that without your help, but you feel that helping people in communities by bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is BS that you are tired of? One post makes you tired of the subject? Sorry....tell me how gailoh posting her PSA about kids and animals in any way equates to someone building a brand on the latest zeitgeist and making money from it? To be honest, I can see why she sees this as BS and, if you can't, more fool you. The comment was more than likely based on the fact that this is yet another family member of yet another politician who will gain publicity from that link. I don't see in the article cited exactly what % of the 'proceeds will go to help underserved communities across the country' so I am pretty much as cynical as she is. I also don't see any reference to who will be making this range and whether or not they are paid more than minimum wage, whether the manufacturing will be focused on areas that most need the employment, which zip codes are liekly to be selected or the prijects the line will fund. So, from that point of view, I agree that it's verging on (if not over the edge of) BS That's a whole big buttload full of opinion on something you admittedly know almost nothing about.
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Post by Sam on Feb 21, 2017 0:33:45 GMT
Sorry....tell me how gailoh posting her PSA about kids and animals in any way equates to someone building a brand on the latest zeitgeist and making money from it? To be honest, I can see why she sees this as BS and, if you can't, more fool you. The comment was more than likely based on the fact that this is yet another family member of yet another politician who will gain publicity from that link. I don't see in the article cited exactly what % of the 'proceeds will go to help underserved communities across the country' so I am pretty much as cynical as she is. I also don't see any reference to who will be making this range and whether or not they are paid more than minimum wage, whether the manufacturing will be focused on areas that most need the employment, which zip codes are liekly to be selected or the prijects the line will fund. So, from that point of view, I agree that it's verging on (if not over the edge of) BS That's a whole big buttload full of opinion on something you admittedly know almost nothing about. Why don't you educate me then, rather than insulting me? What percentage of profit goes to the causes, what causes are they and how do funds get distributed?
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Post by Sam on Feb 21, 2017 0:39:21 GMT
Sorry....tell me how gailoh posting her PSA about kids and animals in any way equates to someone building a brand on the latest zeitgeist and making money from it? To be honest, I can see why she sees this as BS and, if you can't, more fool you. The comment was more than likely based on the fact that this is yet another family member of yet another politician who will gain publicity from that link. I don't see in the article cited exactly what % of the 'proceeds will go to help underserved communities across the country' so I am pretty much as cynical as she is. I also don't see any reference to who will be making this range and whether or not they are paid more than minimum wage, whether the manufacturing will be focused on areas that most need the employment, which zip codes are liekly to be selected or the prijects the line will fund. So, from that point of view, I agree that it's verging on (if not over the edge of) BS In the second link further down the thread it has a bit more info Thank you for that.At least you provided further information for me to look at which I appreciate.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 21, 2017 0:47:20 GMT
That's a whole big buttload full of opinion on something you admittedly know almost nothing about. Why don't you educate me then, rather than insulting me? What percentage of profit goes to the causes, what causes are they and how do funds get distributed? I don't know and I don't need to know. I'm not the one who made all the claims about how BS the whole thing is. YOU go research it, and then you'll have a leg to stand on when you complain about someone trying to do something good and generous. Let me tell you something about Joe Biden and his family that you may or may not already know. Joe Biden is one of the few men who did not get filthy rich during a long career in the U.S. Senate. He is not driven by money and he's raised his family the same way. I don't know the details about how his daughter's business is being run. But I do know if she wanted to get rich off her dad's name, she wouldn't have become a social worker.
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Post by Sam on Feb 21, 2017 0:53:31 GMT
Why don't you educate me then, rather than insulting me? What percentage of profit goes to the causes, what causes are they and how do funds get distributed? I don't know and I don't need to know. I'm not the one who made all the claims about how BS the whole thing is. YOU go research it, and then you'll have a leg to stand on when you complain about someone trying to do something good and generous. Let me tell you something about Joe Biden and his family that you may or may not already know. Joe Biden is one of the few men who did not get filthy rich during a long career in the U.S. Senate. He is not driven by money and he's raised his family the same way. I don't know the details about how his daughter's business is being run. But I do know if she wanted to get rich off her dad's name, she wouldn't have become a social worker. OK, Lucy. You know even less than I do, but choose to berate me for asking for clarification. if you wish to address or change opinion, I suggest you go about it in a different way in future.
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