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Post by cade387 on Mar 1, 2017 3:40:14 GMT
It was a fantastic speech. Not surprised at the snipes, but more and more, I find myself just smiling at the Trump haters thinking "you go right on with your big bad selves". In the meantime,this President is keeping the campaign promises he made to the people who voted for him. And I for one Am thrilled. Thrilled. At last we might get some sanity back in this country. And other than forcing employers to pay for maternity leave, I agreed with everything he said and frankly can't understand how any rational person who loves their country could disagree with what he said. Go President Trump So you also agree that the threats to JCCs are fake? Wow
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Post by PLurker on Mar 1, 2017 3:42:17 GMT
He read his speech better than I've seen him before. Let's hope he can keep it up day to day and when he has to respond to people with other opinions.
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Post by librarylady on Mar 1, 2017 3:42:19 GMT
It was a fantastic speech. Not surprised at the snipes, but more and more, I find myself just smiling at the Trump haters thinking "you go right on with your big bad selves". In the meantime,this President is keeping the campaign promises he made to the people who voted for him. And I for one Am thrilled. Thrilled. At last we might get some sanity back in this country. And other than forcing employers to pay for maternity leave, I agreed with everything he said and frankly can't understand how any rational person who loves their country could disagree with what he said. Go President Trump I'm a Trump hater, but I agree with what you wrote, ~Lauren~. I had to chuckle when he said his drain the swamp bit, as he filled it with people not really qualified, IMO.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 1, 2017 3:42:48 GMT
It was a fantastic speech. Not surprised at the snipes, but more and more, I find myself just smiling at the Trump haters thinking "you go right on with your big bad selves". In the meantime,this President is keeping the campaign promises he made to the people who voted for him. And I for one Am thrilled. Thrilled. At last we might get some sanity back in this country. And other than forcing employers to pay for maternity leave, I agreed with everything he said and frankly can't understand how any rational person who loves their country could disagree with what he said. Go President Trump So you also agree that the threats to JCCs are fake? Wow Don't bother. It really isn't worth it.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Mar 1, 2017 3:48:11 GMT
I thought his speech was good and I think it was unifying. I think like Van said on CNN he became presidential tonight. I think his reaching out to the Seal' wife during the speech was a reset for him. Can he build on this and grow let's hope.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Mar 1, 2017 3:53:51 GMT
Question I've watched other addresses and can't remember does the opposition normally not clap or stand during the addresses and does the military usually look so serious and stoic.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 1, 2017 3:56:36 GMT
Question I've watched other addresses and can't remember does the opposition normally not clap or stand during the addresses and does the military usually look so serious and stoic. Each side only claps for areas they believe in, so often the opposition does not clap or stand unless it is a bipartisan thing.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 1, 2017 3:57:14 GMT
It was a good speech. Not a lot of substance, lots of seemingly conflicting statements to his actions. The invited guests seemed overly exploitive, I'd like all victims of violent crime addressed not just those at the hands of immigrants, which seems devisive. Civil rights are still the civil rights of our time.
I am still trying to process Ryan Owens' widow.
I can only imagine her grief, and I think Americans and the commander in chief should face the unpleasant business of sending the "warriors" off to defend us. It all sounds so noble and beautiful, which IMO makes it far too easy for decisions to be made. Her grief is palpable, and those in attendance clearly tried to honor that and her husband's sacrifice. But the way he spoke, doubling down on the raid as very successful and that they "set a record" was very disengenuous and seemed a very "so there" moment. It is important to insure American treasure is sent carefully into harms way, and avoiding hard questions by hiding behind grieving family members does not serve the military or their families. Military families grieve differently, and Ryan Owens' father's questions are just as important. Asking the hard questions and learning from outcomes in no way diminishes Ryan Owens' life or willing sacrifice.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 1, 2017 3:58:41 GMT
Question I've watched other addresses and can't remember does the opposition normally not clap or stand during the addresses and does the military usually look so serious and stoic. The military would be trying for apolitical, as well as the Supreme Court Justices. There was also speculation that the military has tried to get POTUS to stop saying "radical Islamic terrorism" which he very deliberately said.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Mar 1, 2017 4:01:05 GMT
Question I've watched other addresses and can't remember does the opposition normally not clap or stand during the addresses and does the military usually look so serious and stoic. The military would be trying for apolitical, as well as the Supreme Court Justices. Ok thought that as I was typing my question as I noticed they never reacted, TY!
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Post by annabella on Mar 1, 2017 4:03:16 GMT
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Post by huskergal on Mar 1, 2017 4:05:07 GMT
Is Trump going to begin his "buy American" by moving his and Ivanka's manufacturing to America?
I am no economist, but if companies move their manufacturing back to the U.S. and it is 70-80% more expensive, how will people be able to afford it and how will that help the economy and create more jobs?
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 1, 2017 4:10:53 GMT
I don't want to question a widow a month out from losing her husband and the father of her children however she wants to grieve. I know there will be gold star families on both sides, including Ryan Owens own family apparently. I agree that Ivanka was not dressed appropriately for the occasion, which was magnified by her attempts to comfort Carryn Owens. I can't speak for the Joint Chiefs, but clapping for your husband getting killed just seems wrong and the whole thing seemed very exploitive. The other families with loved ones killed as well.
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Post by zztop11 on Mar 1, 2017 4:11:36 GMT
Well I will say that I think he looked a little better. His suit was buttoned. Looked more professional.
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Post by zztop11 on Mar 1, 2017 4:13:36 GMT
"Interesting none of the military men were standing or clapping for her."
I could be wrong but I believe that they stay neutral and don't clap just like the Supreme Court justices usually do not clap.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 1, 2017 4:13:48 GMT
He read his speech better than I've seen him before. Let's hope he can keep it up day to day and when he has to respond to people with other opinions. Reading this, I just have to think that the bar is set so low for him. Ugh. I didn't watch. I can't stand to watch or listen to him for any length of time. He is self-serving and short sighted. He has no ability to see the consequences of his actions, and apparently the republicans in congress don't either. There are so many things they are doing right now that are just out to serve business but will cause a lot of problems in other areas (increasing health problems when we have dirty air and water; loss of jobs and money due to reduced tourism in the country; loss of productivity from deportations; increased cost of goods; and on and on). But, I guess if the rich get richer that is fine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 4:16:45 GMT
It was a good speech. Not a lot of substance, lots of seemingly conflicting statements to his actions. The invited guests seemed overly exploitive, I'd like all victims of violent crime addressed not just those at the hands of immigrants, which seems devisive. Civil rights are still the civil rights of our time. I am still trying to process Ryan Owens' widow. I can only imagine her grief, and I think Americans and the commander in chief should face the unpleasant business of sending the "warriors" off to defend us. It all sounds so noble and beautiful, which IMO makes it far too easy for decisions to be made. Her grief is palpable, and those in attendance clearly tried to honor that and her husband's sacrifice. But the way he spoke, d oubling down on the raid as very successful and that they "set a record" was very disengenuous and seemed a very "so there" moment. It is important to insure American treasure is sent carefully into harms way, and avoiding hard questions by hiding behind grieving family members does not serve the military or their families. Military families grieve differently, and Ryan Owens' father's questions are just as important. Asking the hard questions and learning from outcomes in no way diminishes Ryan Owens' life or willing sacrifice. Are you saying that you think his comment about setting a record was related to the raid? It wasn't - it was related to the length of the ovation for his widow.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 1, 2017 4:17:42 GMT
I thought his speech was good and I think it was unifying. I think like Van said on CNN he became presidential tonight. I think his reaching out to the Seal' wife during the speech was a reset for him. Can he build on this and grow let's hope.I hope, but one well read, prepared speech does not a president make. Or make up for all the previous real him-talking-speech.(and twitter) We can hope though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 4:17:51 GMT
I'm listening (and drinking) only because I want to hear what he has to say (reading a prepared speech he didn't write) I have a sleep mask on, I can't watch. He got a huge round of applause. Cameras didn't pan on dem side. This will be interesting. How do you know that the cameras didn't pan the dem side if you had a sleep mask on. Because they definitely did. At least on Fox news. I watched it without a sleep mask so I saw it.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 1, 2017 4:17:55 GMT
It was a good speech. Not a lot of substance, lots of seemingly conflicting statements to his actions. The invited guests seemed overly exploitive, I'd like all victims of violent crime addressed not just those at the hands of immigrants, which seems devisive. Civil rights are still the civil rights of our time. I am still trying to process Ryan Owens' widow. I can only imagine her grief, and I think Americans and the commander in chief should face the unpleasant business of sending the "warriors" off to defend us. It all sounds so noble and beautiful, which IMO makes it far too easy for decisions to be made. Her grief is palpable, and those in attendance clearly tried to honor that and her husband's sacrifice. But the way he spoke, d oubling down on the raid as very successful and that they "set a record" was very disengenuous and seemed a very "so there" moment. It is important to insure American treasure is sent carefully into harms way, and avoiding hard questions by hiding behind grieving family members does not serve the military or their families. Military families grieve differently, and Ryan Owens' father's questions are just as important. Asking the hard questions and learning from outcomes in no way diminishes Ryan Owens' life or willing sacrifice. Are you saying that you think his comment about setting a record was related to the raid? It wasn't - it was related to the length of the ovation for his widow. No I know it was about the applause. But it was a cheap thing to say IMO.
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Post by linda~lou on Mar 1, 2017 4:21:40 GMT
I'm listening (and drinking) only because I want to hear what he has to say (reading a prepared speech he didn't write) I have a sleep mask on, I can't watch. He got a huge round of applause. Cameras didn't pan on dem side. This will be interesting. How do you know that the cameras didn't pan the dem side if you had a sleep mask on. Because they definitely did. At least on Fox news. I watched it without a sleep mask so I saw it. I only watched the beginning, the part I watched didn't pan. I'm sure it did at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 4:21:44 GMT
No I know it was about the applause. But it was a cheap thing to say IMO. I guess to each their own. I think it was a great tribute to him, and her, that the ovation was that long. I think ultimately she is the only one that can say if it was a cheap shot or not.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 1, 2017 4:21:54 GMT
Are you saying that you think his comment about setting a record was related to the raid? It wasn't - it was related to the length of the ovation for his widow. No I know it was about the applause. But it was a cheap thing to say IMO. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 4:22:56 GMT
I only watched the beginning, the part I watched didn't pan. I'm sure it did at some point. It did on Fox. I guess each channel decides what they will or won't show. Who would guess that Fox would show the Dems and another station wouldn't.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 1, 2017 4:36:57 GMT
generic speech but for trump a revelation. we're doomed. <<< copy/paste off twitter lucyg is that you? ;o)
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Post by trollie on Mar 1, 2017 4:48:10 GMT
Are you saying that you think his comment about setting a record was related to the raid? It wasn't - it was related to the length of the ovation for his widow. No I know it was about the applause. But it was a cheap thing to say IMO. "Ryan is looking down right now and he's very happy because I think he just broke a record," Trump joked, prompting another wave of adulation for the Gold Star wife. How the fuck would Trump know how Ryan Owens is feeling at this point in time if he was indeed looking down upon his grieving wife? What a presumptuous asshole. link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 4:48:27 GMT
I found a transcript of the speech and started reading it.
I started making notes. Then I quit reading it. There were sooo many lies and twisting of the facts I just got disgusted. For example.
"A new national pride is sweeping across the country". Really? What are all those protests about? And all the unhappy folks at Republican Town Hall meetings. Not only protests in this country but around the world.
He talks about drugs pouring across the borders but from what I hear the real problem are prescription opioids.
He talks about fixing the inner cities. But where is he going to get the money from if he is cutting taxes and building up the military.
He talks about fixing the infrastructure. Nice idea. But unless they change it, it's going to be private businesses "investing" in various projects and getting tax credits in return. The key word here is investing. Whenever someone "invests" in something they want a return on their investment. What kind of return can one get on an investment in dams or roads or new water pipes in places like Flint, Michigan? Oroville Dam in CA is going to need work. You get a private company to "invest" in the dam to make the repairs. What is their return on that investment? Also are the places that really need the infrastructure work going to get it under this plan?
And then there is his 94M of folks not in the workforce. That's is true but that includes retired people, disabled people, students, stay at home moms or dads. In other words the vast majority are those who chose not to be or can't be in the work force.
He talks about all those jobs roaring back. There is no guarantee, if those jobs come back, that will be well paying jobs or that they will go to areas that need them. They could all come to CA and skip the rust belt states all together.
In reality the only thing that benefits from a higher stock market is my 401(k). A higher stock market doesn't necessarily mean it will create jobs. Businesses have and will continue to use their profits to invest in technology. One of the biggest job killer is technology.
As far as the ACA goes . he is now starting to use Paul Ryan's talking points. Specifically the word "access". That is the one word that should concern people. As a number have folks have already said. Just because one has access to something doesn't mean they can afford it or even pay for it.
And that is when I quit reading.
I get that some are somewhat impressed that he was able to give a coherent speech without going off on a rant about the media or whatever.
But as everything in life the devil is in the details.
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Post by basketdiva on Mar 1, 2017 4:57:32 GMT
He is signing autographs? I don't think I have ever seen that before in this situation. I seem to remember a Bush signing autigraphs and maybe Obama.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 5:04:59 GMT
I found a transcript of the speech and started reading it. I started making notes. Then I quit reading it. There were sooo many lies and twisting of the facts I just got disgusted. For example. " A new national pride is sweeping across the country". Really? What are all those protests about? And all the unhappy folks at Republican Town Hall meetings. Not only protests in this country but around the world. He talks about drugs pouring across the borders but from what I hear the real problem are prescription opioids. He talks about fixing the inner cities. But where is he going to get the money from if he is cutting taxes and building up the military. He talks about fixing the infrastructure. Nice idea. But unless they change it, it's going to be private businesses "investing" in various projects and getting tax credits in return. The key word here is investing. Whenever someone "invests" in something they want a return on their investment. What kind of return can one get on an investment in dams or roads or new water pipes in places like Flint, Michigan? Oroville Dam in CA is going to need work. You get a private company to "invest" in the dam to make the repairs. What is their return on that investment? Also are the places that really need the infrastructure work going to get it under this plan? And then there is his 94M of folks not in the workforce. That's is true but that includes retired people, disabled people, students, stay at home moms or dads. In other words the vast majority are those who chose not to be or can't be in the work force. He talks about all those jobs roaring back. There is no guarantee, if those jobs come back, that will be well paying jobs or that they will go to areas that need them. They could all come to CA and skip the rust belt states all together. In reality the only thing that benefits from a higher stock market is my 401(k). A higher stock market doesn't necessarily mean it will create jobs. Businesses have and will continue to use their profits to invest in technology. One of the biggest job killer is technology. As far as the ACA goes . he is now starting to use Paul Ryan's talking points. Specifically the word "access". That is the one word that should concern people. As a number have folks have already said. Just because one has access to something doesn't mean they can afford it or even pay for it. And that is when I quit reading. I get that some are somewhat impressed that he was able to give a coherent speech without going off on a rant about the media or whatever. But as everything in life the devil is in the details. I'm not even going to go any further than this because one person's reality is another person's denial. My FB has been full of people saying they have renewed pride and patriotism. I don't deny those that don't agree with him and are protesting but the reality is that there are just as many people on the other side and to deny or ignore that is short sighted
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 5:24:40 GMT
I found a transcript of the speech and started reading it. I started making notes. Then I quit reading it. There were sooo many lies and twisting of the facts I just got disgusted. For example. " A new national pride is sweeping across the country". Really? What are all those protests about? And all the unhappy folks at Republican Town Hall meetings. Not only protests in this country but around the world. He talks about drugs pouring across the borders but from what I hear the real problem are prescription opioids. He talks about fixing the inner cities. But where is he going to get the money from if he is cutting taxes and building up the military. He talks about fixing the infrastructure. Nice idea. But unless they change it, it's going to be private businesses "investing" in various projects and getting tax credits in return. The key word here is investing. Whenever someone "invests" in something they want a return on their investment. What kind of return can one get on an investment in dams or roads or new water pipes in places like Flint, Michigan? Oroville Dam in CA is going to need work. You get a private company to "invest" in the dam to make the repairs. What is their return on that investment? Also are the places that really need the infrastructure work going to get it under this plan? And then there is his 94M of folks not in the workforce. That's is true but that includes retired people, disabled people, students, stay at home moms or dads. In other words the vast majority are those who chose not to be or can't be in the work force. He talks about all those jobs roaring back. There is no guarantee, if those jobs come back, that will be well paying jobs or that they will go to areas that need them. They could all come to CA and skip the rust belt states all together. In reality the only thing that benefits from a higher stock market is my 401(k). A higher stock market doesn't necessarily mean it will create jobs. Businesses have and will continue to use their profits to invest in technology. One of the biggest job killer is technology. As far as the ACA goes . he is now starting to use Paul Ryan's talking points. Specifically the word "access". That is the one word that should concern people. As a number have folks have already said. Just because one has access to something doesn't mean they can afford it or even pay for it. And that is when I quit reading. I get that some are somewhat impressed that he was able to give a coherent speech without going off on a rant about the media or whatever. But as everything in life the devil is in the details. I'm not even going to go any further than this because one person's reality is another person's denial. My FB has been full of people saying they have renewed pride and patriotism. I don't deny those that don't agree with him and are protesting but the reality is that there are just as many people on the other side and to deny or ignore that is short sighted You can't have a country as divided as this country and claim there is a national pride " sweeping" across it. Sweeping would imply that the masses or majority feel the same way. That is not the case. Not even close. To imply that something is more than what it is would be misleading.
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