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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 1:44:15 GMT
My 8th grade DD's English class is starting a unit on perceptions and prejudices. Their assignment is to survey several adults to gather information.
If you wouldn't mind helping us:
Do you think that it's okay for police to search people who might have illegal drugs/weapons? First name: Gender: Race: Response:
Thanks for your help.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 19, 2014 1:47:01 GMT
I feel like that's a really poorly worded and therefore impossible to answer question.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 1:51:11 GMT
I feel like that's a really poorly worded and therefore impossible to answer question.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 1:51:26 GMT
Oops. Sent to soon...
I don't disagree with you. I am also not excited about the inclusion of "race" as a demographic. As this is leading to a research project, I'm wondering if the strange wording of the question is the point of the lesson
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 19, 2014 1:52:03 GMT
I'm sure part of the assignment is her asking people herself, not having her mom do it on an online message board where she (your daughter) knows not a soul.
Please have her ask people. Use her communication skills. Teach her how to take notes. These are functional skills kids need.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 1:56:50 GMT
I'm sure part of the assignment is her asking people herself, not having her mom do it on an online message board where she (your daughter) knows not a soul. Please have her ask people. Use her communication skills. Teach her how to take notes. These are functional skills kids need. Actually, since the assignment is due in only one day, on the night of Open House, the teacher suggested using online communication for a larger cross section of people than the few she would come in contact with in the limited amount of time. As far as her doing the typing of the question, that is a skill she needs no practice at. Thanks for being so helpful!
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Post by sbartist on Aug 19, 2014 1:59:46 GMT
I think there needs to be a scenario within which to justify such a search first.
The way the question is worded, it sounds like a random search, which is not legal.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 19, 2014 2:01:24 GMT
I didn't say typing, I said note taking, which are completely different skills.
And I'm sorry, but online communication still isn't asking strangers on her mom's favorite message board at 9PM. You can agree to disagree, but I'm pretty confident this isn't what the student had in mind.
Not sure why you're being so rude to me, as I'm not being rude to you. I'm being honest about having your daughter actually have a part in this assignment, since it is her homework, by having her find adults (you, her dad, friend parents, etc) to talk to, even if it's via text/FB.
Sorry if you don't like my response.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 2:04:27 GMT
I think there needs to be a scenario within which to justify such a search first. The way the question is worded, it sounds like a random search, which is not legal. i'm glad I'm not the only one that see this as odd. This is the assignment that was given, as is.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 19, 2014 2:05:37 GMT
*Bold mine*
ANYONE might have illegal drugs and/or weapons. Who decides who might have them? How do they decide?
Is the question therefore asking "Do you think that it's okay for police to search ANYONE?"
If that is word for word the question that was put to the students, then I would want to know from the teacher if it was meant to have the children really think and come to the conclusion that it would really be asking if it is okay for police to randomly search anyone without cause (which it isn't. It's illegal), or if it was a sloppy assignment with no forethought.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 2:09:40 GMT
*Bold mine* ANYONE might have illegal drugs and/or weapons. Who decides who might have them? How do they decide? Is the question therefore asking "Do you think that it's okay for police to search ANYONE?" If that is word for word the question that was put to the students, then I would want to know from the teacher if it was meant to have the children really think and come to the conclusion that it would really be asking if it is okay for police to randomly search anyone without cause (which it isn't. It's illegal), or if it was a sloppy assignment with no forethought. Apparently this is related to the New York "Stop and Frisk" policy that was discussed in class.
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Post by sbartist on Aug 19, 2014 2:15:02 GMT
I am pretty sure you can't just randomly stop someone and frisk them. I would think once they were actually under arrest, then they could be searched.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 19, 2014 2:20:57 GMT
My 8th grade DD's English class is starting a unit on perceptions and prejudices. Their assignment is to survey several adults to gather information. If you wouldn't mind helping us: Do you think that it's okay for police to search people who might have illegal drugs/weapons? First name: Gender: Race: Response: Thanks for your help. I'll play. This sounds just like an assignment my kids would get. It's early into the school year and the kids may have been involved in a class discussion and the assignment evolved from there. Michelle female caucasian No. There must be probable cause.
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Post by txdancermom on Aug 19, 2014 2:25:24 GMT
I'll Help
Pat Female White Only if there is probable cause, and with a warrant unless there are extenuating circumstances
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Post by cycworker on Aug 19, 2014 2:28:15 GMT
I'll take part. I think I can see where the teacher is going... the question reminds me of something we did in one of the anti-racism courses I took.
First Name: Tania Gender: Female Race: Caucasian Response: While I'm on the fence, I will say yes. If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem with allowing them to search you?*
*That's my honest answer based on when I took this initially... it was a great exercise is reminding me of my white, middle class privilege; basically I grew up in a bubble where I held this notion that most people are good and police officers would never do nasty things like pick on people just because they're Native/Asian/East Indian (the 3 biggest non-Caucasian groups in my community)
Now, since I know - or at least I'm pretty sure I can guess - where the teacher is going with this assignment, and I kinda gave the answer that I suspect is proving of the hypothesis she's going for, I am not sure my participation is valid. But I'm also willing to be perceived as classist and racist for the purposes of the greater good of helping these teens become aware of these lessons, so I am fine with you giving her my data and answer w/o telling her I have a sense of what the teacher is looking for.
Of course, at this point, I am opposed to it because I've become aware of racial profiling and such. When I first did this exercise, it was pre-Rodney King
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Post by scrapaddie on Aug 19, 2014 2:29:45 GMT
Lana Female Caucasian No, not without probable cause
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Post by myshelly on Aug 19, 2014 2:31:26 GMT
Shelly Female Caucasian No
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Post by doesitmatter on Aug 19, 2014 2:37:25 GMT
I'll help:
Tara Female Caucasian yes with probable cause
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Post by raindancer on Aug 19, 2014 2:44:37 GMT
Haha! Gotta love the peas. Like you came up with this on your own. And dani, we use technology all the time in surveys for public health. It's a great way to get a lot of data, and it's been shown that people are more likely to be honest when they are anonymous. It's not that big of a deal. We simply cannot rely on data collection as it was done 50 years ago, since those methods are outdated and inefficient. In fact the majority of survey's used to be done via telephone...not so much now since so many people don't have a home phone. Asking an online community is going to have bias, but you can adjust for that. And for the purpose of an 8th grade survey, it's good enough.
Do you think that it's okay for police to search people who might have illegal drugs/weapons? First name: Heidi Gender:F Race: Caucasian Response:With probable cause, otherwise no.
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 19, 2014 2:46:21 GMT
My response, which may be tainted based on my life experience and the chosen profession of many loved ones: First name: angela Gender: female Race: white (Hispanic) Response: yes, with probable cause, and it is my understanding that probable cause is very easy to achieve.
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Post by peasapie on Aug 19, 2014 3:09:01 GMT
Name: Suzy Gender: Female Race: Caucasian Response: no. Not without probable cause.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 3:10:33 GMT
Thank you, everyone. I think cycworker hit the nail on the head. This data will be used in further discussion to illustrate a point.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 19, 2014 3:58:08 GMT
Name: Megan Gender: Female Race: Caucasian Response: Yes
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Post by Marina on Aug 19, 2014 6:24:06 GMT
Marina Female Caucasian No.
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Post by bluepoprocks on Aug 19, 2014 9:37:50 GMT
Barbara Female Caucasian Yes
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 19, 2014 10:59:42 GMT
Jo Female Caucasian not without demonstrable probable cause
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Post by smokey2471 on Aug 19, 2014 11:30:05 GMT
Shelley Female White Yes w/probable cause.
My 12 year old daughter Lillie Female White No
Her twin brother Jacob Male White Yes if they look shifty (lol I think he means probable cause by that.
DH Male White Yes with probable cause but would feel violated if searched he understands the reason behind it but does not like it. He feels this way about a lot of things.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Aug 19, 2014 12:16:37 GMT
Thank you so much! I knew I could rely on the Peas. I am interested to find out about the resulting discussion from this data.
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Post by mom2jnk on Aug 19, 2014 12:41:26 GMT
Michelle Female Caucasian Yes, with probable cause
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Post by picotjo on Aug 19, 2014 13:18:16 GMT
Joanne Female Caucasian Yes , with probably cause
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