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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 15, 2017 11:18:44 GMT
I must have missed the explanation of the moon necklace. Care to share? Jack gave Rebecca that necklace in the first episode I believe.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 15, 2017 11:20:25 GMT
Well, at least we known that Kate and Toby move back to CA. I called the separation early in the season, so that wasn't particularly surprising to me. And Jack would not have robbed that bar. Completely out of character.
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Post by bratkar on Mar 15, 2017 12:08:58 GMT
Here is my take, when the show became hugely popular, they changed the ending to season 1, so they can expand on a lot of different story lines in the next two seasons. The whole episode felt like it wasn't part of the whole series I watched this year. It felt different... Yes, very disappointed, I didn't expect to find out how Jack died, they stated that early last week, we wouldn't know that. But it just felt, disjointed. (which I am not sure that's the word I am looking for. But for a season finale, it was a HUGE LET DOWN!
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Post by StephDRebel on Mar 15, 2017 12:19:09 GMT
I feel asleep. I might skip this episode, I liked last week as a finale.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 12:57:03 GMT
If Jack is staying at Miguel's house then something must happen to Jack that involves Miguel. That would explain the weird relationship between the adult kids and Miguel. I guess I was not really disappointed by this episode because it added a bit to my speculation of what happens to Jack. That fight was a doozy. But in marriage it was not what I would consider a separation worthy fight. It actually showed they still had passion, they should have used that passion to make up and that would have given them both more depth. When do they come back? I agree about the fight. The yelling was just awful and I found it uncomfortable but there was nothing said that justified a separation in my view. He was yelling about the sacrifices he has made and she was yelling about feeling the need to be more than just a mom. I think that exact frustration is probably felt at least sometimes in most homes.
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Post by hollymolly on Mar 15, 2017 13:14:28 GMT
TankTop The necklace is a moon because she was singing Moonshadow the first time he saw her. I can't decide if I'm disappointed or if that was a brilliant bookend to the first episode. I loved seeing the beginning of their relationship. I thought it was perfect the way his speech at the end was juxtaposed with the kids today. But for a show that makes me cry all the time, I didn't shed a single tear last night. The closest I came was Jack's speech. What is wrong with Rebecca?!?!? First, not remotely a separation-worthy fight. Second, how do you not immediately fall back in love with a man who gives you a speech and then a wink like that? Do people really throw away a good marriage so quickly? Is that why we have such a high divorce rate? To my first point, I saw Mandy and Milo on either the aftershow or some other interview. They said that Jack and Rebecca have such a great relationship that they don't really know how to fight. I guess I will accept that as the explanation, but I still think it was incredibly selfish of Rebecca to kick him out, and incredibly selfless of Jack to tell her that the kids would be alright and it wouldn't scar them for life. Jack planned to rob the bar, but he was having serious doubts. In the end, he just couldn't do it, so he chose to go to the date instead. And then he got up and saw Rebecca. To the kids -I was happy to see Kate and Toby back in LA, and living together, even though I'm anti-Toby. He may be really good for her right now. I know he will support and encourage her singing. It crossed my mind that perhaps he has been less supportive of her weight loss because his first wife was thin and she treated him so badly. - I'm very worried about Kevin going back to LA. It's too soon in his rekindled relationship with Sophie. The family doesn't even know about it yet. On one hand, it's an opportunity for him to prove he's grown and matured and won't make the same mistake again. On the other, I don't think I could handle the doubt and the stress if I were Sophie. -Wow about Randall wanting to adopt. Just wow. I wonder if Beth will support that. Can't decide if it's real, or just a reaction to William's death. I feel like Beth will know the difference. She's my actual favorite on this show, with Randall a close second.
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Post by disneypal on Mar 15, 2017 13:21:19 GMT
I must have missed the explanation of the moon necklace. Care to share? When he first saw her, she was singing the song "Moonshadow"
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Mar 15, 2017 13:33:25 GMT
I just finished it...so many thoughts.
- I also agree with a poster up thread about this ending not being the original one. I think the show got popular and they need to keep Jack around to hold their audience longer so he won't be dying anytime soon. - I'm still thinking it's suicide as his cause of death. I think something happens big durning the separation that sends Rebecca over the edge even more to file for divorce and Jack can't handle it. Maybe he ends his life in Miguel's home and he was unable to save him in some way and that's why the kids have issues with him .....idk. - the episode itself was great IMO, I'm soooooo happy they didn't go on and on more about Randall and his Bio dad. That story line is over now and I want to move on...in fact I think Randall is getting too much screen time in general. I want to know the other characters more. I loved how we got to see the early years of Rebecca and Jack meeting. - I think the bar where he was at was the bar he got robbed at and he was just taking back money that was his to start with. Even if he would ha e taken the money out of the cash register it was his! I don't blame him one bit. - I'm glad Jack hit the ExBF of Rebecca he had it coming.
As far as this particular episode bring the ending for season 1? It sucked! I was wanting and expecting some cliffhanger but I didn't get it. I really think this could have been just a regular episode. I'm kinda mad actually that we still have no real answers about anything. I'm curious how far they plan on taking the show to, I mean at the moment the kids are teens and so there is only so much more back flashes they can do before they get to present day. Maybe then it will just be like a regular show they has scenes from present day on forward...idk.
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 15, 2017 13:45:04 GMT
Boring. And we only heard one line from "Moonshadow". Boo. That's one of my favorite songs and I've been singing it all day haha. I just finished watching on HULU. I had been singing it since last night because my daughter has a science test today and was studying about eclipses and I was singing Moon Shadow to her. I too wanted to hear more of the song since I love it.
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Post by annimal on Mar 15, 2017 14:04:50 GMT
Since he was moving in with Miguel, I'm wondering if that has anything to do with Kevin's resentment towards him.
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Post by annimal on Mar 15, 2017 14:22:33 GMT
I knew they weren't going to say how Jack died, but I thought it was a pretty dull episode. I also just KNEW that he wasn't the blind date Mrs. Peabody set them up with. But was he supposed to be at the bar and watch her sing? Is that what he saw when he pulled that paper from his wallet? He told her he was going to meet someone else, but he stayed when he heard her singing.
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Post by Rhondito on Mar 15, 2017 14:32:57 GMT
The way the fall tv seasons are now, my bet is October :/
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Post by khaleesi on Mar 15, 2017 15:28:34 GMT
I am a party of one again, I see. I thought it was fantastic. To me, it was a huge cliffhanger. Do they reconcile? Does Jack die before they can? Is that why Kate blames herself? Because in the mind of a child (I know she's a teen, but still... she's young enough in some ways that I buy her taking on too much guilt), if she hadn't told Jack to go, they wouldn't have had the fight, and thus they wouldn't have separated. And if they had never separated, Jack would still be alive. I for one thing Jack will fall apart during the separation, keep drinking, and generally get in a mess of trouble that will result in his death, thus Kate making the false leap that it's her fault. I am with you, I really enjoyed it. To me, not every season finale has to have a huge cliffhanger like I think many wanted. NBC had been hinting at it so I can see where some would be underwhelmed and disappointed. I really enjoyed the episode, we got so much more backstory that I felt it was a great compliment to be a bookend to the first episode. I was glad to see that they fought but didn't immediately make up. I liked that Jack still left to go to Miguel's. I think they were on the verge of making up but I appreciated that he still left because it was obvious they still needed a bit of space. To me that is real. I don't think it means they are divorcing or permanently separating over this fight but it was obvious they needed some space from each other. That space could be a few hours, or a few days. I also think that Rebecca may not realize just how she saved Jack when they met at the bar that night. I don't know if she knew the real reason he was at the bar. I also loved more of Jack's story that we saw: how he ended up with the Chevelle he ended up selling to get their house, that he was a mechanic, he was in Vietnam, etc.
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Post by coloradocropper on Mar 15, 2017 15:42:46 GMT
I liked the episode also. I loved learning how Jack and Rebecca's story started. And the look in his eye when he spotted her on stage and his plan to steal the money was totally forgotten. I love how nothing was what I thought. So many shows are predictable and this one isn't. I'm not disappointed and I can't wait to keep watching.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 15, 2017 17:55:25 GMT
Here is my take, when the show became hugely popular, they changed the ending to season 1, so they can expand on a lot of different story lines in the next two seasons. The whole episode felt like it wasn't part of the whole series I watched this year. It felt different... Yes, very disappointed, I didn't expect to find out how Jack died, they stated that early last week, we wouldn't know that. But it just felt, disjointed. (which I am not sure that's the word I am looking for. But for a season finale, it was a HUGE LET DOWN THIS!! I totally think this last show was re-shot. If you remember Milo IRL only was clean shaven Feb 10th. THAT was the only time he was clean shaven. That was only a month ago. That's when they filmed this finale. Also before when they were telling us we would have answers at the end. We don't. They decided otherwise. Also I don't think he dies for awhile. I think it goes well in to the 2nd season. Maybe the end of season 2? They signed on for how many more seasons? Remember Jack taught the kids to drive. He hasn't done that yet.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 15, 2017 18:03:52 GMT
Was jack going to rob the bar? Yes to get the money back from the poker game... That was the most shocking part of the show to me! Overall I liked the episode but I don't think it was a good finale.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Mar 15, 2017 18:06:40 GMT
I thought my dvr cut something off since I was expecting a big cliff hanger. It was a bit boring.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Mar 15, 2017 18:21:55 GMT
Here is my take, when the show became hugely popular, they changed the ending to season 1, so they can expand on a lot of different story lines in the next two seasons. The whole episode felt like it wasn't part of the whole series I watched this year. It felt different... Yes, very disappointed, I didn't expect to find out how Jack died, they stated that early last week, we wouldn't know that. But it just felt, disjointed. (which I am not sure that's the word I am looking for. But for a season finale, it was a HUGE LET DOWN THIS!! I totally think this last show was re-shot. If you remember Milo IRL only was clean shaven Feb 10th. THAT was the only time he was clean shaven. That was only a month ago. That's when they filmed this finale. Also before when they were telling us we would have answers at the end. We don't. They decided otherwise. Also I don't think he dies for awhile. I think it goes well in to the 2nd season. Maybe the end of season 2? They signed on for how many more seasons? Remember Jack taught the kids to drive. He hasn't done that yet. I don't think the finale was reshot. I don't think it was ever originally shot. When a show is not yet renewed and it's in its first season, they don't shoot the entire season right away. Once the show was renewed, I'm sure that they wrote the script so that they can draw on the drama for more than just one season
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Post by sweetpea4utoo on Mar 15, 2017 19:04:05 GMT
They did a great job of disappointing me, and...like a bad relationship, they made me hate them so it'll be easier to get over it. 'Cause six months woulda been a bitch.
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Post by just PEAchy on Mar 15, 2017 19:46:05 GMT
I liked this episode. I'm glad there wasn't a huge cliffhanger, I think that gets tiresome. I loved seeing more of Jack's & Rebecca's backgrounds. I think they did a good job of showing how far they've come as well as Jacks imperfections. I don't think it was the fight alone that made them separate. It was Jack's drinking as well as the fact that Jack didn't seem to trust her. He didn't go to to her show because he wanted to see her, he went because he was pissed about Brad and Rebecca knew that. I think it will be interesting to see if they reconcile before he dies.
I also loved the last part-Jacks speech and a glimpse into what each of the kids will do next season. Overall, I wasn't disappointed at all. The previous 2 episodes were so emotional, this was a good change, imo.
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Post by oaksong on Mar 15, 2017 19:58:36 GMT
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Post by ladytrisha on Mar 15, 2017 20:01:42 GMT
I think NBC overhyped it with the promos showing him driving and the empty beer cans. I didn't hear that they decided not to say how Jack dies so it definitely felt incomplete.
That was NOT a divorce/separation argument so maybe that's why it felt odd too - it didn't feel genuine at all.
And there was no Kleenex even touched during the episode ... finale fail! LOL
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Post by kelly316 on Mar 15, 2017 20:48:55 GMT
I am now convinced the writers want us to experience the full spectrum of our emotions! Just when we think we will cry forever, now we are angry! While it was anti-climactic, I enjoyed seeing more of young Jack and Rebecca. Maybe we don't always need a huge cliffhanger.
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Post by kelly316 on Mar 15, 2017 20:49:59 GMT
I think NBC overhyped it with the promos showing him driving and the empty beer cans. I didn't hear that they decided not to say how Jack dies so it definitely felt incomplete. That was NOT a divorce/separation argument so maybe that's why it felt odd too - it didn't feel genuine at all. And there was no Kleenex even touched during the episode ... finale fail! LOL I was really worried because I was out of tissues. Turned out there was no need. That wink though! That wink made it all worth it.
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Post by disneypal on Mar 15, 2017 21:08:59 GMT
I'm still thinking it's suicide as his cause of death. I don't think so - I think Jack loves his kids to much and wouldn't want to leave them or hurt them.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 15, 2017 21:09:31 GMT
I think Randall quitting would have been a better end to the season He quit on the previous episode. I'm no longer a fan of Jack. This was the 1980's. Yes, I know he was heartbroken over Rebecca, but he knew better than driving drunk. Kids in elementary school at that time had posters everywhere about drugs and drinking; the just say no campaign. MADD was a big thing. I'm not surprised he wanted to rob a bar. He said he was tired of being the good guy and not getting anywhere; hence the illegal gambling and then robbing because he was robbed. It was just meh for me. I thought they would meet at a wedding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 22:11:13 GMT
I don't like that the tone of the whole episode was so depressing and dark. I don't mind that he didn't die because I'd love for him to stay alive as long as possible. I like watching their story. But I hate that it was so moody and broody and that's all we have for the next 6 months.
And Rebecca is officially my least favorite character after last night. Telling him he's like his dad? That was below the belt. He was speaking truth (even if in an unkind manner). She was just being mean.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 15, 2017 22:26:53 GMT
I think Randall quitting would have been a better end to the season He quit on the previous episode. I'm no longer a fan of Jack. This was the 1980's. Yes, I know he was heartbroken over Rebecca, but he knew better than driving drunk. Kids in elementary school at that time had posters everywhere about drugs and drinking; the just say no campaign. MADD was a big thing. I'm not surprised he wanted to rob a bar. He said he was tired of being the good guy and not getting anywhere; hence the illegal gambling and then robbing because he was robbed. It was just meh for me. I thought they would meet at a wedding. It was actually the 1990s. The kids were born in 1980 or 81. They're 36 now/when filming. When they were teens, as in this episode, it was the mid 90s.
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Post by zella on Mar 16, 2017 1:11:03 GMT
Well, at least we known that Kate and Toby move back to CA. I called the separation early in the season, so that wasn't particularly surprising to me. And Jack would not have robbed that bar. Completely out of character. I totally agree! He's an adult (28) who has, as far as we can tell, never been in trouble, never broken the law. No way does someone suddenly turn bad at that age and to that degree (and yes, I know this was the deceit behind Breaking Bad, and it was one reason why I never wanted to watch it, because I found the premise ridiculous). I swear, I think the writers lost their minds. I feel as though they messed with us, and I don't like it. In fact I might not want to watch the show anymore. I really don't know.
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Post by melanell on Mar 16, 2017 2:47:35 GMT
The whole episode felt like it wasn't part of the whole series I watched this year. It felt different... This is exactly how I felt. And I agree that this is probably why: I think they tried to force new stuff into their original ideas for this episode and we wound up with a mess. Save
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