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Post by melanell on Mar 16, 2017 2:53:06 GMT
Was jack going to rob the bar? Yes to get the money back from the poker game... That was the most shocking part of the show to me! Overall I liked the episode but I don't think it was a good finale. I think this bit does play into something we've already seen. When Jack went to his dad for money for the house, his dad immediately guessed that it was for gambling debt. So seeing Jack get himself into hot water gambling wasn't a surprise to me. And I can see him being tempted to do something rash to avoid having to go to his father to bail him out, because we have seen his father be a complete a$$ all season long. But ultimately I think that Jack's character wouldn't have stolen the money even if not distracted by Rebecca. I just don't think he could bring himself to actually go through with it. Save
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Post by coloradocropper on Mar 16, 2017 3:46:11 GMT
He quit on the previous episode. I'm no longer a fan of Jack. This was the 1980's. Yes, I know he was heartbroken over Rebecca, but he knew better than driving drunk. Kids in elementary school at that time had posters everywhere about drugs and drinking; the just say no campaign. MADD was a big thing. I'm not surprised he wanted to rob a bar. He said he was tired of being the good guy and not getting anywhere; hence the illegal gambling and then robbing because he was robbed. It was just meh for me. I thought they would meet at a wedding. It was actually the 1990s. The kids were born in 1980 or 81. They're 36 now/when filming. When they were teens, as in this episode, it was the mid 90s. There was a shot of him driving and his registration sticker on the window said 1996
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Post by leeny on Mar 16, 2017 3:48:15 GMT
What the what? Just watched the ending online because my DVR cut it off!
Did I see an editing issue? When they were arguing in the kitchen, it looked like they had a stainless steel fridge with ice service on the door. Did they have those then?
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Post by ~Susan~ on Mar 16, 2017 3:58:40 GMT
What the what? Just watched the ending online because my DVR cut it off! Did I see an editing issue? When they were arguing in the kitchen, it looked like they had a stainless steel fridge with ice service on the door. Did they have those then? I noticed the same thing!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 16, 2017 8:58:59 GMT
Disappointed.
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 16, 2017 12:38:21 GMT
I'm still thinking it's suicide as his cause of death. I don't think so - I think Jack loves his kids to much and wouldn't want to leave them or hurt them. My experience with suicide/suicide attempt is that in that moment suicide victims often truly believe that they are doing what is best for their kids/families by taking their life. It truly is an act of desperation.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Mar 16, 2017 12:46:50 GMT
What the what? Just watched the ending online because my DVR cut it off! Did I see an editing issue? When they were arguing in the kitchen, it looked like they had a stainless steel fridge with ice service on the door. Did they have those then? I noticed that as well!
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Post by myshelly on Mar 16, 2017 13:49:43 GMT
What the what? Just watched the ending online because my DVR cut it off! Did I see an editing issue? When they were arguing in the kitchen, it looked like they had a stainless steel fridge with ice service on the door. Did they have those then? It was 1996. Yes.
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 16, 2017 14:20:11 GMT
I liked this episode. I'm glad there wasn't a huge cliffhanger, I think that gets tiresome. I loved seeing more of Jack's & Rebecca's backgrounds. I think they did a good job of showing how far they've come as well as Jacks imperfections. I don't think it was the fight alone that made them separate. It was Jack's drinking as well as the fact that Jack didn't seem to trust her. He didn't go to to her show because he wanted to see her, he went because he was pissed about Brad and Rebecca knew that. I think it will be interesting to see if they reconcile before he dies. I also loved the last part-Jacks speech and a glimpse into what each of the kids will do next season. Overall, I wasn't disappointed at all. The previous 2 episodes were so emotional, this was a good change, imo. ITA. Jack's "why I love you" speech was great, but he still had to go for a few nights or a while while they work things out as they discussed after the big fight. After what he did? Driving drunk like that, (and not knowing for sure if he had driven the kids drunk as well), and then coming to her show and picking a huge fight? Oh, I'm sorry but I'd be kicking him out too, pretty speech or no..you gotta at least make it clear you aren't going to be putting up with that, I mean, sheesh! And I did cry at his 'why I love you" speech, I thought that was beautifully acted. And count me as another who is tired of season ending cliff hangers. I wasn't bored at all and l enjoyed following their story. And ITA about him robbing back the bar that took his money after the gambling win. I don't think he would have really gone through with it in the end, Rebecca or no.
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 16, 2017 14:24:18 GMT
Well, at least we known that Kate and Toby move back to CA. I called the separation early in the season, so that wasn't particularly surprising to me. And Jack would not have robbed that bar. Completely out of character. I totally agree! He's an adult (28) who has, as far as we can tell, never been in trouble, never broken the law. No way does someone suddenly turn bad at that age and to that degree (and yes, I know this was the deceit behind Breaking Bad, and it was one reason why I never wanted to watch it, because I found the premise ridiculous). I swear, I think the writers lost their minds. I feel as though they messed with us, and I don't like it. In fact I might not want to watch the show anymore. I really don't know. Ah, and I can tell you never watched Breaking Bad..because if you had watched that absolutely brilliant show, you wouldn't think it was ridiculous that Walter White turned bad at all. You get sucked completely in and wind up rooting for and loathing him all at the same time. Amazing how they did that.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 16, 2017 14:40:32 GMT
I don't like that the tone of the whole episode was so depressing and dark. I don't mind that he didn't die because I'd love for him to stay alive as long as possible. I like watching their story. But I hate that it was so moody and broody and that's all we have for the next 6 months. And Rebecca is officially my least favorite character after last night. Telling him he's like his dad? That was below the belt. He was speaking truth (even if in an unkind manner). She was just being mean. It's funny how different people can watch the same thing and see it completely differently. I see it the exact opposite of you. Rebecca was speaking the truth and he hit below the belt. I have never understood the Jack love on this board. What would the peas say on any other thread about an unemployed 28 year old who lives in his parents' attic? Jack is kind of an asshole. He has a gambling problem (alluded to in an earlier episode when his dad talked about his gambling debts). He is a raging alcoholic. He refuses to admit that he is an alcoholic and refuses to get help for being an alcoholic. He hides his drinking. He lies about his drinking. He drives drunk. And not just a little bit. Long trips with open containers in the car. And no, times were not different. It was 1996. He could have killed people. He could have killed himself. Then he drunkenly beat a man in a bar. And only by the grace of his victim did he not go to jail and ruin his family's life with jail time and legal fees. What would the peas say to a woman who posts here "my husband gets violent when he's drunk, what should I do?" Um, we would all say she should leave. Yes, Jack makes good speeches and romantic gestures. AFTER he makes colossal screw ups that give Rebecca good reasons to leave. Jack was BAD that night. He almost irrevocably altered their lives in many ways that night. There is no way Rebecca should have just forgiven his sorry ass and let him stay. Could you trust an alcoholic with your kids? Could you trust a man who had just beat someone in a drunken rage with your kids? Would you let your kids in a car with a drunk driver? How can she trust him or respect him after any of that?
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Post by quinlove on Mar 16, 2017 14:44:35 GMT
I totally agree! He's an adult (28) who has, as far as we can tell, never been in trouble, never broken the law. No way does someone suddenly turn bad at that age and to that degree (and yes, I know this was the deceit behind Breaking Bad, and it was one reason why I never wanted to watch it, because I found the premise ridiculous). I swear, I think the writers lost their minds. I feel as though they messed with us, and I don't like it. In fact I might not want to watch the show anymore. I really don't know. Ah, and I can tell you never watched Breaking Bad..because if you had watched that absolutely brilliant show, you wouldn't think it was ridiculous that Walter White turned bad at all. You get sucked completely in and wind up rooting for and loathing him all at the same time. Amazing how they did that. Breaking Bad. Best. Show. Ever. This Is Us is right up there.
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Post by scrapcat on Mar 16, 2017 15:45:54 GMT
I'm still not really sure I like this show. I ended up watching the first half of season On Demand, bcz I really couldn't get into it at first. Then I liked it by the end of the first half with the whole adoption story. This half has been sorta meh. I don't know what it is...I think they are all talented actors, and I like the rhythm of the show, but I don't think it's as good as it's claimed to be?! I liked the idea of it being a little more realistic, but I feel like it's starting to fall into the pattern of "things always working out."
I also was kind of meh on the ending. I don't understand why we only got like 4 or 5 shows for this part of the season too. Honestly if I didn't like Milo so much, not sure I'd still be watching.
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Post by frenchie on Mar 16, 2017 18:29:15 GMT
Well, at least we known that Kate and Toby move back to CA. I called the separation early in the season, so that wasn't particularly surprising to me. And Jack would not have robbed that bar. Completely out of character. I totally agree! He's an adult (28) who has, as far as we can tell, never been in trouble, never broken the law. No way does someone suddenly turn bad at that age and to that degree (and yes, I know this was the deceit behind Breaking Bad, and it was one reason why I never wanted to watch it, because I found the premise ridiculous). I swear, I think the writers lost their minds. I feel as though they messed with us, and I don't like it. In fact I might not want to watch the show anymore. I really don't know. I think the owner of that bar was the guy who was holding the poker game and had Jack beat up to get the money back. I think Jack felt justified in trying to get that money back from him, even if it meant robbing the guy's bar.
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Post by compwalla on Mar 16, 2017 18:33:25 GMT
If Jack is staying at Miguel's house then something must happen to Jack that involves Miguel. That would explain the weird relationship between the adult kids and Miguel. I guess I was not really disappointed by this episode because it added a bit to my speculation of what happens to Jack. That fight was a doozy. But in marriage it was not what I would consider a separation worthy fight. It actually showed they still had passion, they should have used that passion to make up and that would have given them both more depth. When do they come back? He called his wife and her dreams a JOKE in a loud screaming voice. He loves her but he maybe doesn't see her as a whole person. You can't just bounce back from that. She said "we meant what we said" so I do think they need some time to cool off and figure things out.
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Post by kelly316 on Mar 16, 2017 18:48:44 GMT
I don't like that the tone of the whole episode was so depressing and dark. I don't mind that he didn't die because I'd love for him to stay alive as long as possible. I like watching their story. But I hate that it was so moody and broody and that's all we have for the next 6 months. And Rebecca is officially my least favorite character after last night. Telling him he's like his dad? That was below the belt. He was speaking truth (even if in an unkind manner). She was just being mean. It's funny how different people can watch the same thing and see it completely differently. I see it the exact opposite of you. Rebecca was speaking the truth and he hit below the belt. I have never understood the Jack love on this board. What would the peas say on any other thread about an unemployed 28 year old who lives in his parents' attic? Jack is kind of an asshole. He has a gambling problem (alluded to in an earlier episode when his dad talked about his gambling debts). He is a raging alcoholic. He refuses to admit that he is an alcoholic and refuses to get help for being an alcoholic. He hides his drinking. He lies about his drinking. He drives drunk. And not just a little bit. Long trips with open containers in the car. And no, times were not different. It was 1996. He could have killed people. He could have killed himself. Then he drunkenly beat a man in a bar. And only by the grace of his victim did he not go to jail and ruin his family's life with jail time and legal fees. What would the peas say to a woman who posts here "my husband gets violent when he's drunk, what should I do?" Um, we would all say she should leave. Yes, Jack makes good speeches and romantic gestures. AFTER he makes colossal screw ups that give Rebecca good reasons to leave. Jack was BAD that night. He almost irrevocably altered their lives in many ways that night. There is no way Rebecca should have just forgiven his sorry ass and let him stay. Could you trust an alcoholic with your kids? Could you trust a man who had just beat someone in a drunken rage with your kids? Would you let your kids in a car with a drunk driver? How can she trust him or respect him after any of that? Oh how I love this board (and this show). You just gave me a new perspective. You are absolutely right, if this were any other man, we would think he was terrible. I'm thinking maybe it's because we saw his good side so many times before most of the bad??? Maybe the order of the show (timeline) throws off our perspective sometimes!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:58:42 GMT
I don't like that the tone of the whole episode was so depressing and dark. I don't mind that he didn't die because I'd love for him to stay alive as long as possible. I like watching their story. But I hate that it was so moody and broody and that's all we have for the next 6 months. And Rebecca is officially my least favorite character after last night. Telling him he's like his dad? That was below the belt. He was speaking truth (even if in an unkind manner). She was just being mean. It's funny how different people can watch the same thing and see it completely differently. I see it the exact opposite of you. Rebecca was speaking the truth and he hit below the belt. I have never understood the Jack love on this board. What would the peas say on any other thread about an unemployed 28 year old who lives in his parents' attic? Jack is kind of an asshole. He has a gambling problem (alluded to in an earlier episode when his dad talked about his gambling debts). He is a raging alcoholic. He refuses to admit that he is an alcoholic and refuses to get help for being an alcoholic. He hides his drinking. He lies about his drinking. He drives drunk. And not just a little bit. Long trips with open containers in the car. And no, times were not different. It was 1996. He could have killed people. He could have killed himself. Then he drunkenly beat a man in a bar. And only by the grace of his victim did he not go to jail and ruin his family's life with jail time and legal fees. What would the peas say to a woman who posts here "my husband gets violent when he's drunk, what should I do?" Um, we would all say she should leave. Yes, Jack makes good speeches and romantic gestures. AFTER he makes colossal screw ups that give Rebecca good reasons to leave. Jack was BAD that night. He almost irrevocably altered their lives in many ways that night. There is no way Rebecca should have just forgiven his sorry ass and let him stay. Could you trust an alcoholic with your kids? Could you trust a man who had just beat someone in a drunken rage with your kids? Would you let your kids in a car with a drunk driver? How can she trust him or respect him after any of that? I agree with some of this. I had a whole post typed out and it got lost in cyberspace and I didn't feel like re-typing it. But yeah, Rebecca is right in letting him leave to give them some space. Even after his speech. It was a great speech, and the wink was swoon-worthy. But his actions were pretty shitty. But we didn't know up to this episode that he was a 28 year old, unemployed man living in his parents attic. And although his dad did allude to Jack having a gambling problem, I took that with a grain of salt. His dad is a worse asshole. I think when he's good, and he's good quite often, his bad behavior was overlooked. And basically, up to now, other than the drinking we saw early on, he's portrayed a wonderful father and husband character, and Rebecca was the one who was not a good wife. Now all this stuff is coming out about Jack. I was thinking Kate's problem with her weight was a Rebecca problem. But maybe not. Time will tell.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Mar 16, 2017 21:23:27 GMT
So I'm heard ANOTHER new theory that I thought was interesting. The whole huge fight and sweet speech with a wink Jack gave Rebecca towards the end never really happened. She was dreaming because he died right before that..maybe driving to her? The fight at the bar with her Ex? Something.
On another note not related to this ^^ theory I also read that we won't find out how he died until season 3.
I swear I'm getting sucked in with all this theory stuff... 🙄
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Post by coloradocropper on Mar 16, 2017 21:28:52 GMT
What I liked about Rebecca was when her bandmate tried kissing her, she was having none of that and quit the band.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 16, 2017 21:35:11 GMT
Spoiler - you've been warned - I can't believe she let Jack walk out after that speech and that wink - he was SO HOT!!! That just made my heart melt! I thought it was way too dragged out - but it does open up a lot more story lines to go into their history - which will keep Jack around for a while! Not the cliffhanger I expected - but - does something happen to him while they are separated? Or while he is on the way to Miguel's house? The wink made my heart leap, too. They cast the right person in that part, for sure.
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Post by cycworker on Mar 17, 2017 0:13:10 GMT
So I'm heard ANOTHER new theory that I thought was interesting. The whole huge fight and sweet speech with a wink Jack gave Rebecca towards the end never really happened. She was dreaming because he died right before that..maybe driving to her? The fight at the bar with her Ex? Something. On another note not related to this ^^ theory I also read that we won't find out how he died until season 3. I swear I'm getting sucked in with all this theory stuff... 🙄 That would certainly fit with Kate blaming herself. But he taught the kids to drive... are they 16 yet?
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Post by PaperAngel on Mar 17, 2017 0:37:54 GMT
This episode filled in more of the backstory. However, like the last episode before the holiday break, the editing made it feel disjointed/piecemeal.
Given I generally dislike shows with the flashback format & my favorite character has died (RIP William) & likely will have rare (flashback) appearances, I'm uncertain that it will still be on my DVR list in the fall..
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Post by zella on Mar 17, 2017 7:54:33 GMT
LOL about Breaking Bad. DH watched every episode, and ranks it as one of his favorite shows ever. I did try to watch at first, but I just couldn't get into it. And in general I don't like shows with a lot of violence and multiple crappy characters.
I really didn't think much about Jack and the drinking; the post above now has me thinking, though. I don't think he had a gambling problem; I think that was just his dad being an ass. As for him being 28 and living in his parents' attic, he'd been to Vietnam remember. He was trying really hard to find work. So I don't hold that against him.
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Post by procrastiscrap on Mar 17, 2017 13:12:13 GMT
What would the peas say on any other thread about an unemployed 28 year old who lives in his parents' attic?
I would say it was a different time then. Vietnam vets weren't treated very well when they got home from war, many had a hard time finding jobs.
There is no excuse for the drinking and driving. We've seen multiple shows of him being an outstanding guy and one show where he was making really, really bad choices, so it's hard to put in perspective which behavior is the norm for him. Hopefully next year we get to see more and more backstory.
And I for one liked the episode....and cried...
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Post by quinlove on Mar 17, 2017 13:52:43 GMT
Hugely disappointed because I was under the assumption that our beloved Jack dies. Last night I rewatched it with new eyes. With the pressure off, I really enjoyed seeing all the back story. I do believe that it was a cliffhanger. We all expected Jack to die, but now - this could go a hundred different ways. Glad I rewatched.
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Post by ModChick on Mar 18, 2017 16:18:13 GMT
I liked this episode. I'm glad there wasn't a huge cliffhanger, I think that gets tiresome. I loved seeing more of Jack's & Rebecca's backgrounds. I think they did a good job of showing how far they've come as well as Jacks imperfections. I don't think it was the fight alone that made them separate. It was Jack's drinking as well as the fact that Jack didn't seem to trust her. He didn't go to to her show because he wanted to see her, he went because he was pissed about Brad and Rebecca knew that. I think it will be interesting to see if they reconcile before he dies. I also loved the last part-Jacks speech and a glimpse into what each of the kids will do next season. Overall, I wasn't disappointed at all. The previous 2 episodes were so emotional, this was a good change, imo. I agree. I really didn't want to be gutted and then wait months for the show to be back. I did tear up at Jack's speech. He just loves Rebecca so so much. I adore him I also loved seeing more backstory. I love stories that reveal themselves over time. Overall I wasn't left speechless or bawling but I still really enjoyed the show. Can't wait for season 2!
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Post by Really Red on Mar 18, 2017 17:17:50 GMT
I just watched it and was hugely disappointed. It was so stupid. I seriously do not know anyone IRL who would act that way. Any of those ways. It was 20 years ago, no so long ago. The said Rebecca was 40, but wasn't she 30 when she had the kids? They don't age her at all and that just troubles me. I do not like her. I don't like how she parents and I don't like how she spouses. I don't think Jack is better as a spouse, but he seems to be a very good parent.
But face it, all three kids have serious problems!! Randall has dealt with his the best, yet still struggles, but the other two are seriously messed up.
I like Randall and Beth. Even Kevin is interesting to me. But I think I'm done with the show. Did anyone see Pitch? I thought those characters were real and excellent and believable.
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