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Post by beaglemom on Mar 18, 2017 5:57:36 GMT
We are considering a move to London (from the SF/Bay Area) in the next year or two. DH's company has an office in london that is working on some stuff that he is really passionate about and we have always wanted to live abroad. The plan as of right now is to go for a year or two and then come back to the states.
We currently have a 6 yr old dd, 4 yr old ds, and 1 year old ds. We are planning to have one more in the next year or so.
I know london can be pricey and that we will end up in a space much, much smaller than what we are currently in. But we are starting to try to get things lined up and I was wondering if people have suggestions on areas we should be looking at. Looking at a map it looks like the office is near a bunch of theaters/SOHO and the British Museum. We aren't opposed to a commute, but would prefer something reasonable. Dh is also happy to ride a bike into work.
If we are in London, would we need a car? Or can we get by with public transportation?
How are the schools? Is public school something that is doable or do we need to look at private? Are preschools common?
I sew - I know getting American fabrics in the UK is difficult and expensive. My biggest concern is sewing machines. Does it make sense to bring mine and get adaptors? Or should I buy something there that will work while we are there and then sell it when we leave?
Is it really as easy as it seems to travel the rest of Europe once we are in the UK. The last time we were there it was so easy to hop a train over and travel away. While living there our hope/plan is to do lots of travel all over the rest of Europe. I know there are some changes coming with Brexit but we are really hoping that we can do a lot while there.
I would love any and all advice and perspectives on such a move! We are super excited about this and my fingers are crossed that it will work!
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2017 7:45:37 GMT
How exciting! Central London is very expensive...definitely including the areas you're talking about, but of course that's comparative. I assume you're renting? Basically the further out of London you travel the less pricey it is but of course you will want to balance that with desirability of the area, but clearly that means a longer commute! Nothing that's cycle-able is going to get any cheaper really. Public transport is good in London, you can certainly manage without a car except for the physical marshalling of 3 or more children onto a bus with a buggy etc Parking in London is pretty much always an issue so it would be easier in that sense at least! You won't have any problem sourcing fabrics and I'm not sure why you would necessarily want American? I don't know anything about sewing machines specifically but which you choose would purely be about cost of buying a new one and whether that's more convenient for you or whether you prefer to have your own. There's no difficulty at all in buying a decent machine here. Pre schools are very common, yes. As for schools, you need to look at some facts and figures on the performances and it will vary quite a lot, especially depending on where you live. Private schooling is very expensive, but again, that's my opinion and I have no idea what's expensive to you Yes, travel is still easy. Of course we don't know yet what Brexit will change as we haven't left yet. That'll be an ongoing and evolving picture.
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Post by wellway on Mar 18, 2017 7:48:03 GMT
What a exciting and slightly daunting move. I'll start with state schools. Schools, childcare, playgroups etc are inspected by a Govt body called OFSTED. This link outlines their remit www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ofsted/aboutThis link will allow you to search for the inspection reports for schools you are interested in etc. You are looking for schools with an outstanding or good rating. www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ofstedThis link will outline how to go about getting a school place in a state school Children here start school earlier than in the US so a child born between 1 September 2012 and 31 August 2013, will be eligible to start school in the school year beginning September 2017. Something to note, schools here to not hold children back to repeat years, the child continues through school with their age group and will be offered more help if struggling. www.gov.uk/schools-admissionsI could add lots more but don't want to overload you. Housing This site pulls together all housing put on the market by various estate agents. You could use it to get a idea of the size of house you can get in various areas and what is in the local areas. www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/property/london/
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Post by wellway on Mar 18, 2017 7:54:51 GMT
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2017 7:57:17 GMT
Good job wellway - was just going to search for Ofsted info!
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Post by wellway on Mar 18, 2017 7:59:52 GMT
This site has lots of info about travelling to Europe by train or ferry www.seat61.com/You can catch the Eurostar from King's Cross and be in Paris in a few hours. www.eurostar.com/
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Post by wellway on Mar 18, 2017 8:02:01 GMT
Good job wellway - was just going to search for Ofsted info! I can tell you, there is a lot of info!!
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2017 8:03:47 GMT
Good job wellway - was just going to search for Ofsted info! I can tell you, there is a lot of info!! Yes, a bit overwhelming to say the least!
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Post by wellway on Mar 18, 2017 9:39:33 GMT
Thnking about it I figured that others will have done the same thing as you are planning to do and that there would probably be a society with an American slant so found this for you. American Women's Club of London awclondon.org/useful-links-for-newcomers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 13:18:35 GMT
I'm British, lived in the US and Japan for 14 years and we're about to move back to the U.K. This summer for 2 years. We decided not to live in central London due to the cost, minimal space, and inconvenience. We'll be living in Surrey about 20 mins from Heathrow as DH travels a lot. Not sure if you'll have a company budget, but my DS needs to continue with a US curriculum, so he'll be going to ACS Cobham.
I also sew, and have a Janome machine bought in the US. Usually electrical items with motors don't work properly, so my kitchen aid mixer also won't work. You can buy a cheap machine when you're there though. Look at Amazon.co.uk. As far as buying fabric, there's really nothing like Joanns in the U.K., but there are lots of independent fabric stores. Quilting is not as popular so not as many stores. Best to bring your stash over with you!
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Post by joelise on Mar 18, 2017 13:30:44 GMT
I'm British, lived in the US and Japan for 14 years and we're about to move back to the U.K. This summer for 2 years. We decided not to live in central London due to the cost, minimal space, and inconvenience. We'll be living in Surrey about 20 mins from Heathrow as DH travels a lot. Not sure if you'll have a company budget, but my DS needs to continue with a US curriculum, so he'll be going to ACS Cobham. I also sew, and have a Janome machine bought in the US. Usually electrical items with motors don't work properly, so my kitchen aid mixer also won't work. You can buy a cheap machine when you're there though. Look at Amazon.co.uk. As far as buying fabric, there's really nothing like Joanns in the U.K., but there are lots of independent fabric stores. Quilting is not as popular so not as many stores. Best to bring your stash over with you! Hobbycraft is similar to Joanns, although smaller, and there are several in the counties around London. They sell fabric and have a good selection of fat quarters. I lived in Weybridge Surrey for several years and can definitely recommend it as a lovely place to live. My now ex DH commuted into London daily.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 13:37:58 GMT
How exciting for you; I'm envious!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 13:38:44 GMT
I'm British, lived in the US and Japan for 14 years and we're about to move back to the U.K. This summer for 2 years. We decided not to live in central London due to the cost, minimal space, and inconvenience. We'll be living in Surrey about 20 mins from Heathrow as DH travels a lot. Not sure if you'll have a company budget, but my DS needs to continue with a US curriculum, so he'll be going to ACS Cobham. I also sew, and have a Janome machine bought in the US. Usually electrical items with motors don't work properly, so my kitchen aid mixer also won't work. You can buy a cheap machine when you're there though. Look at Amazon.co.uk. As far as buying fabric, there's really nothing like Joanns in the U.K., but there are lots of independent fabric stores. Quilting is not as popular so not as many stores. Best to bring your stash over with you! Hobbycraft is similar to Joanns, although smaller, and there are several in the counties around London. They sell fabric and have a good selection of fat quarters. I lived in Weybridge Surrey for several years and can definitely recommend it as a lovely place to live. My now ex DH commuted into London daily. I've never been to Hobbycraft. Judging from the website it looks a lot like Joanns. Thanks for the heads up!!
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Post by ntsf on Mar 18, 2017 14:41:55 GMT
get a book on culture shock.. even though we sort of speak the same language.. there is certainly culture shock.. they don't do things the same, the groceries are different, the assumptions about life are different. as a former expat, I don't think people think enough about this.
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2017 14:44:40 GMT
get a book on culture shock.. even though we sort of speak the same language.. there is certainly culture shock.. they don't do things the same, the groceries are different, the assumptions about life are different. as a former expat, I don't think people think enough about this. That's probably true. I have learned that a lot from 2 peas. For starters religion is rarely mentioned, I don't know if that matters to you at all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 14:49:41 GMT
I thought this might be helpful to the sewing part. Sew Over It They hold sewing classes and what they call a 'sewing cafe' where you can go to work on your projects, it might be helpful in meeting people. Also they do some gorgeous patterns and fabric.
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Post by GiantsFan on Mar 18, 2017 15:00:21 GMT
I have nothing to add, since I've only (literally) ran through Heathrow from one late flight in, to one on-time flight out.
But I just wanted to say I'm excited for you!
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Post by sueg on Mar 18, 2017 16:37:59 GMT
get a book on culture shock.. even though we sort of speak the same language.. there is certainly culture shock.. they don't do things the same, the groceries are different, the assumptions about life are different. as a former expat, I don't think people think enough about this. I have heard from many people here who have lived all over that culture shock can be worse when you go from the US to the UK (or vice versa) than if you go somewhere very different, or with a different language. I expected things to be very different in Germany than back home, not least the fact that it was a new language, so that cushions it a bit. If you go in thinking 'OK, so they speak English, we'll be fine' the differences come as more of a surprise.
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Post by gar on Mar 20, 2017 23:29:03 GMT
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Post by beaglemom on Mar 20, 2017 23:46:14 GMT
Oh my goodness!!! I never got notifications on the post so I thought no one had responded!! Thank you for tagging me....off to read all the responses!!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 21, 2017 1:14:38 GMT
I lived in London for 10 years, I'm an American...I'm happy to answer any questions.
We lived in a suburb... in a London Borough. We had one car but used public transport most of the time. If you want an American school there are a couple. I believe they are all pricey.
The British school system is very different. If it was me I would put my kids in local schools.. (you do not have to go to your closestneighborhood school, you have choices in your local school district)
I think it is a great learning experience.
Would your move be more or less permanent or just for a couple of years?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 2:00:25 GMT
The other Brits have given you a lot of info already. I'll just add a few more bits. Unless you're a multi millionaire no one lives in the center of London. Property prices and rents are astronomical so you would need to seriously think of where you are going to commute from. If you have the post code ( zip code) of the office it would make it easier to recommend where or perhaps your DH could ask the HR in the office he'll be working from, they should be able to give him some tips of where is best. Public transport is pretty good in London itself and the commuter belt around the greater London area is popular and well used....most people commute into London by train. That isn't to say that a car wouldn't be beneficial to you as a family as you would need it to travel in your leisure time if you want to see more of the UK and Europe as well as you might need one if the children do after school activities and for shopping. Be careful in your choice of schools. Research the ones in your district when you find accommodation. Or if you find a good school try and get the accommodation in that district! They start school here full time the September following their 4th birthday. The school year for age goes from 1st September to 31st August. So at 4/5 they would be in Reception 5/6 yrs would be year 1. They do have pre-school and they usually start at 3 years old, some you find start at 2.5 yrs. Some public schools have pre-school/nursery units attached to them but there are many that are privately run too. I found this website for Americans in London about education over here. Unless you're very attached to your sewing machine I would say buy one when you get here. You'll find all the popular makes here. There are a number of fabric shops in London itself mostly individually owned rather than a big box type of store. There won't be any travel changes for you as a non European because of Brexit. Exciting time for you as a family.
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Post by beaglemom on Mar 21, 2017 4:27:24 GMT
This has made me so much more excited!! Thank you so much everyone for all the replies!!
I'm not tied to being in central London, I want dh to have a doable commute and I would love to have a little more space. Thankfully (or not) we are in the bay area, so we are "accustomed" to crazy housing prices - houses in our neighborhood rent for $8-12,000 a month. We are deciding between renting out our house or selling it and then buying something else when we come back. The plan at the moment is to go for 1-2 years and then decide from there.
I sew mainly for my dd, a little for my boys. I can bring some fabric with me, I plan to get over to Paris to shop the fabric stores there! But the machine situation was my main concern. My dream is to buy a ton of fabric in the south of france before we move back home and enjoy that when we get back stateside.
Thank you for all of the links I will be bookmarking and reading up!!
With all the craziness in the states our original plan was to move Sept 2018, now we are debating doing it this September instead. We are also thinking about baby #4, which plays into do we have the baby here and then go there or have the baby there. Dh's company has awesome paternity and part of me wants to do the baby there so we get those extra 12 weeks (he has a full year to use those weeks) to explore Europe (we have traveled lots with the others when they were little too so we do know what we are getting ourselves into).
As things progress I am sure I will have more questions. Thank you so much UK (and expat) peas!!
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I sew mainly for my dd, a little for my boys. I can bring some fabric with me, I plan to get over to Paris to shop the fabric stores there! But the machine situation was my main concern. My dream is to buy a ton of fabric in the south of france before we move back home and enjoy that when we get back stateside. You might find this link useful for some London Fabric shops there are many many more in addition to street markets in different areas. Liberty in the centre of London is another must visit fabric shop. Berwick Street in the Soho district has quite a few too.With all the craziness in the states our original plan was to move Sept 2018, now we are debating doing it this September instead. We are also thinking about baby #4, which plays into do we have the baby here and then go there or have the baby there. Dh's company has awesome paternity and part of me wants to do the baby there so we get those extra 12 weeks (he has a full year to use those weeks) to explore Europe (we have traveled lots with the others when they were little too so we do know what we are getting ourselves into). You need to check out our health service, it's very different to the US's. I'm not sure, without checking, if a non UK citizen is entitled to free medical care ( well it's not free really as we pay for it through out taxes) if they have a working visa. Check with your DH's employer. Unless of course his employer provides private healthcare while he's here.
As things progress I am sure I will have more questions. Thank you so much UK (and expat) peas!! Ask away I'm sure we'll be able to help with some of the day to day things
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Post by gitana on Mar 21, 2017 14:31:38 GMT
I've been an expat twice, but not (yet) in Europe. My best advice is to make certain your expenses are covered by the employer as much as possible. No matter how much you want to move to London, it isn't worth it if you can't live comfortably ( and pay for school and living expenses).
Now- about that sewing. I think you'll find lots of fellow sewists and plenty of fabric. Liberty of London? I'm planning a trip to London just for Liberty! If I were in your position, I'd buy a dual voltage Bernina to take with me. It will be cheaper here than there. I'd also buy my other 220v appliances from amazon to save money- if your relocation costs will be covered bythe company. You CAN. Use transformers to run appliances like a Kitchen Aid and your sewing machine. I did that for 3 years in Asia. But, if I were to do it again (fingers crossed we will), I'll buy new 220 appliances and take them with me.
The expat life isn't for everyone, but it can be a good life. We traipsed all over SE Asia with 3 and 6 year olds and have fantastic memories! Best of luck to you.
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Post by beaglemom on Mar 29, 2017 3:29:34 GMT
I lived in London for 10 years, I'm an American...I'm happy to answer any questions. We lived in a suburb... in a London Borough. We had one car but used public transport most of the time. If you want an American school there are a couple. I believe they are all pricey. The British school system is very different. If it was me I would put my kids in local schools.. (you do not have to go to your closest neighborhood school, you have choices in your local school district) I think it is a great learning experience. Would your move be more or less permanent or just for a couple of years?As of right now the plan is for one or two years, but we are thinking about selling our house to give us flexibility. Our plan is to take as little as possible, but I would love to know what you would recommend bringing. I love to cook...how much of my kitchen stuff should I bring - or does it just make sense to buy stuff there? We are thinking of getting Ikea stuff or renting something furnished there. I was just going to bring current sizes of the kids clothes and then buy stuff there as they grow out of stuff. I'm not tied to american schools, british schools are fine by me. I was talking to my daughter about it and she had a friend that did it last year and her big question was if she would get to wear the adorable uniforms like her friend. Dh is going to talk to work in the next week and now we are thinking about trying to go in the fall rather than waiting another year. I'm excited because I think we are going to purge most of our stuff. There are only a couple pieces of furniture that we are tied to and then my fabric, our books, board games, and a little of the kids stuff. But other than that it is all going to go! So excited!!!
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Post by wellway on Mar 29, 2017 6:10:40 GMT
I lived in London for 10 years, I'm an American...I'm happy to answer any questions. We lived in a suburb... in a London Borough. We had one car but used public transport most of the time. If you want an American school there are a couple. I believe they are all pricey. The British school system is very different. If it was me I would put my kids in local schools.. (you do not have to go to your closest neighborhood school, you have choices in your local school district) I think it is a great learning experience. Would your move be more or less permanent or just for a couple of years?I'm not tied to american schools, british schools are fine by me. I was talking to my daughter about it and she had a friend that did it last year and her big question was if she would get to wear the adorable uniforms like her friend.
I think I can safely say that she will get to wear a uniform, I can't think of any school, private or state, in my surrounding area that doesn't have one. Most uniforms are built around grey skirts/trousers and white shirt/polo shirt with a jumper in the school colour. Most major supermarkets stock school uniforms at very reasonable rates and start advertising them about two days after schools break up for summer, much to my dds disgust!! The only things I got through the school were items with the school badge woven on them. When dd was in primary school I loved the summer uniform which was a light blue/white gingham dress. www.johnlewis.com/baby-child/school-uniform-shop/c6000034?rdr=1ETA Forgot to say, if she likes hair accessories, you can find hair clips, scrunchies, Alice bands etc in most school colours too.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 29, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
I lived in London for 10 years, I'm an American...I'm happy to answer any questions. We lived in a suburb... in a London Borough. We had one car but used public transport most of the time. If you want an American school there are a couple. I believe they are all pricey. The British school system is very different. If it was me I would put my kids in local schools.. (you do not have to go to your closest neighborhood school, you have choices in your local school district) I think it is a great learning experience. Would your move be more or less permanent or just for a couple of years?As of right now the plan is for one or two years, but we are thinking about selling our house to give us flexibility. Our plan is to take as little as possible, but I would love to know what you would recommend bringing. I love to cook...how much of my kitchen stuff should I bring - or does it just make sense to buy stuff there? We are thinking of getting Ikea stuff or renting something furnished there. I was just going to bring current sizes of the kids clothes and then buy stuff there as they grow out of stuff. I'm not tied to american schools, british schools are fine by me. I was talking to my daughter about it and she had a friend that did it last year and her big question was if she would get to wear the adorable uniforms like her friend. Dh is going to talk to work in the next week and now we are thinking about trying to go in the fall rather than waiting another year. I'm excited because I think we are going to purge most of our stuff. There are only a couple pieces of furniture that we are tied to and then my fabric, our books, board games, and a little of the kids stuff. But other than that it is all going to go! So excited!!! Having made the move a few times I can offer a little insight. I sold everything to move to the UK with my husband. We lived there for 10 years. He owned a flat and had all the necessities. I just had to focus on making his bachelor pad a family home! With the exchange rate right now it might not be too bad.. but everything will be more expensive than you are used to paying. Of course you can hit up Ikea, and car boot sales etc. to furnish a house cheaper. When we left the UK we packed up all our stuff and shipped it. That was expensive but his company paid a good chunk of it. When I moved back to the US I paid to move our stuff, but no furniture. Again its not cheap. If you are planning on moving back to the US. I would take the bare minimum. Clothes, etc are all going to be more expensive. But of course that is part of the fun of it. Personally I would not sell everything, I would store it while you are gone. IF you do a good cull before you leave and you will naturally do another one when you return you will end up with having things you love and not a lot of junk. As for Kitchen stuff you can get anything you want/need in the UK. The only thing I had trouble finding was a broom I liked. Couldn't find a good O'Ceadar broom with angled bristles. School starts in the UK at the very end of August or beginning of September. They have a lot more breaks during the year and a shorter summer. The break will be nice for traveling within the UK and Europe.
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Post by georgiapea on Mar 29, 2017 17:49:21 GMT
How exciting for your family. I would LOVE to live in England. We will be eager to hear of your experiences. Finding a place to live, settling in, etc. If someone told me I could trade my life here for a life there I'd be all over it.
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