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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 25, 2017 22:45:14 GMT
How do you know that they are all Christian? Simply being white-skinned and male does not indicate that they are Christian. I am Canadian and religion doesn't come into factor in most of our politics. I never knew what religion our last PM was (Mr. Harper) but do know that Mr. Trudeau was baptized and married in a Catholic church. Unfortunately for us, you know that religion comes with politics here. It's true that we can't say just by looking that those are all Christian men, though it's probably a safe bet given the current party platform. I believe this is actually a photo of the Freedom Caucus. Mike Pence meet with them and tweeted out the photo. They are all extremely right wing and Christian.. and a big part of why the health care bill did not go forward. (For them it did not go far enough)
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 25, 2017 22:47:41 GMT
trying to legislate their religious views into public policy. SaveSaveI know it's your reality, I've seen it spoken about here often enough but somehow I still can't get my head around it. I mean, if you're Christian everything's hunky dory but anything else? You'll have to largely live by someone else's beliefs!! Sorry, I'll get back in my box now. Those of us who live it all the time find it hard to get our heads around too!! Sometimes mine just pops off and rolls down the stairs.
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Post by gar on Mar 25, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
I know it's your reality, I've seen it spoken about here often enough but somehow I still can't get my head around it. I mean, if you're Christian everything's hunky dory but anything else? You'll have to largely live by someone else's beliefs!! Sorry, I'll get back in my box now. Those of us who live it all the time find it hard to get our heads around too!! Sometimes mine just pops off and rolls down the stairs. I can quite believe that!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 0:04:54 GMT
btw, I know I can be super snarky - especially when disgusted by the greed and selfishness of many of my fellow citizens, but I wasn't kidding when I said that some are saying the GOP is too diverse to make laws. Seriously, that big giant group of mostly middle-aged Christian white men is too diverse. According to none other than 538. "Why the health care push fell apart While there was not a vote, the American Health Care Act failed because of a coalition of Republicans that was both ideologically and geographically diverse. The representatives wary of voting for the AHCA, which reached about 50 in number by week’s end, according to The Washington Post — more than double the 22 GOP votes the party could afford to lose — included members from deeply conservative districts where Trump won overwhelmingly but also areas where he lost. The list of potential “no” votes included veteran members, such as 64-year-old Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, whose district includes parts of Miami, but also 36-year-old Justin Amash of Michigan. There were Northeastern moderates, Southerners and a strong Midwestern contingent, as well." fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-trump-lost-on-health-care/It's interesting to ponder.
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Post by imkat on Mar 26, 2017 0:27:15 GMT
I believe this is this freedom caucus meeting with Mike Pence. He was trying to sweeten the deal on the AHCA by removing required coverage such as maternity care. Sweeten....let that sink in.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 26, 2017 0:41:10 GMT
I wish I could explain how pervasive religion is in American politics and American culture. We know they are Christian because they talk about it relentlessly, are questioned about it relentlessly, use it as a campaign point, use it to attack their opponents, use it to attack those who disagree with them, There's not a single politician on the national stage whose religion hasn't been examined, questioned, and spoken about ad nauseum. Unfortunately for us, you know that religion comes with politics here. It's true that we can't say just by looking that those are all Christian men, though it's probably a safe bet given the current party platform. ******* Thanks for this information. I was aware that religion was a factor in your politics. I also will say that my personal definition of a "Christian" is probably very different from your definitions. We have many politicians with various lifestyles and religions, as the Premier of Ontario is a Lesbian and there are several Sikhs and many other faiths in our Federal & Provincial governments. If only religion weren't a factor in our politics! Imagine how much could get accomplished, and how forward we could be moving.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 0:48:56 GMT
If only religion weren't a factor in our politics! Imagine how much could get accomplished, and how forward we could be moving. Amen.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 26, 2017 12:09:11 GMT
I believe this is this freedom caucus meeting with Mike Pence. He was trying to sweeten the deal on the AHCA by removing required coverage such as maternity care. Sweeten....let that sink in. I looked it up it is the Freedom Caucus. They are scary.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 26, 2017 13:50:47 GMT
Funny memory: We took a family pilgrimage to D.C. in 2002. While sitting in the visitors' gallery in the House, my eight year old son commented that all the people on one side of the room looked "normal, like people from home" and those on the other side "looked like businessmen." Honestly, the difference as represented by sex and race was pretty startling.
Note 1: My kids also declared the House Republicans much better dressed Note 2: The Senate was much less diverse on both sides of the aisle. And all were natty dressers.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Mar 27, 2017 4:43:30 GMT
I wish I could explain how pervasive religion is in American politics and American culture. We know they are Christian because they talk about it relentlessly, are questioned about it relentlessly, use it as a campaign point, use it to attack their opponents, use it to attack those who disagree with them, There's not a single politician on the national stage whose religion hasn't been examined, questioned, and spoken about ad nauseum. As an atheist, the thought of our politics being so influenced by religion horrifies me. I just can't imagine how unrepresented I'd feel.They are too stale, pale, male and frail to truly represent society
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Mar 27, 2017 5:30:59 GMT
I'm trying to keep up, but I have been wondering who exactly the "Freedom Caucus" is. I agree that anyone who is not a white Christian is underrepresented in the US--to the point where other points of view are not acknowledged, not understood, and really not even considered.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 27, 2017 5:37:08 GMT
I'm trying to keep up, but I have been wondering who exactly the "Freedom Caucus" is. I agree that anyone who is not a white Christian is underrepresented in the US--to the point where other points of view are not acknowledged, not understood, and really not even considered. I think the Freeodm Caucus is the new incarnation of the Tea Party.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Mar 27, 2017 5:51:02 GMT
I'm trying to keep up, but I have been wondering who exactly the "Freedom Caucus" is. I agree that anyone who is not a white Christian is underrepresented in the US--to the point where other points of view are not acknowledged, not understood, and really not even considered. I think the Freeodm Caucus is the new incarnation of the Tea Party. Well that makes sense then. I was thinking that we have been a free country for a while now and wasn't sure why we would need a freedom caucus.
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