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Post by Olan on Mar 26, 2017 3:09:29 GMT
After all that marching and on the cusp of International Womens Day 
Survived Ebola
Edited to add: Karwah was 1of3 |
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Post by roberta on Mar 26, 2017 4:50:32 GMT
This is really sad, how awful that the caretakers were afraid to help her.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Mar 26, 2017 5:36:08 GMT
What a tragedy.
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Post by monicad on Mar 26, 2017 5:40:23 GMT
How horrible.  She sounds like such an amazing woman and deserved more than that, especially since she probably saved who knows how many lives. Hopefully this will bring more awareness to the need for better medical prevention and treatment there. |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Mar 26, 2017 8:12:01 GMT
So incredibly tragic. May she rest in peace and I hope her little family find peace. As they grow, I hope they know what a hero she was.  |
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Post by melissa on Mar 26, 2017 8:39:44 GMT
Such a sad story.
My first guess is postpartum eclampsia. It's unusual but it does happen. I've seen it exactly once.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 26, 2017 10:18:20 GMT
Named 2014 Person of the Year (specifically it was the Ebola fighters) and dies 3 years later.  It will be interesting to see who it is for 2017. It can be controversial for sure. |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 26, 2017 10:52:19 GMT
After all that marching and on the cusp of International Womens Day What is your point here? What do women marching to protest against Trump have to do with a poor West African country that has a lack of doctors and medical supplies? "All that marching"?? Doesn't even make sense in the context of that article and what happened to that poor women. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 26, 2017 12:05:04 GMT
After all that marching and on the cusp of International Womens Day What is your point here? What do women marching to protest against Trump have to do with a poor West African country that has a lack of doctors and medical supplies? "All that marching"?? Doesn't even make sense in the context of that article and what happened to that poor women. Was it widely reported in Australia that the marches only focus was the protest of 45? Also I disagree with you. |
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 26, 2017 12:23:37 GMT
Was it widely reported in Australia that the marches only focus was the protest of 45? Also I disagree with you. I agree with you it was more than just protesting Donald Trump. However, she wasn't admitted because she was an Ebola survivor
" Her foaming mouth and violent seizures panicked the staff. “They said she was an Ebola survivor,” says her sister by telephone. “They didn’t want contact with her fluids. They all gave her distance. No one would give her an injection.” |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 12:55:25 GMT
She was "one of" the Ebola fighters on the 2014 cover as "Person of the Year".
What does that have to do w/the Women's March of 3 MILLION women worldwide in 2017?
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Post by pjaye on Mar 26, 2017 13:11:35 GMT
Was it widely reported in Australia that the marches only focus was the protest of 45? Also I disagree with you. Not "only" but mainly and it was certainly his election that prompted those marches to occur at that point in time. Do you think the world wide women's marches were about female Ebola survivor's subsequent lack of medical treatment?? I'll bet pretty much no-one marching would have come up with that while the march was happening. In a country like that, the same thing would have happened to an Ebola survivor male if he presented post surgery convulsing and frothing at the mouth. The people in that community people saw thousands die within a few short months, so I doubt they care if the sick person is male or female, they are just out to look after themselves and not die. What does that have to do with a woman's march or International Women's Day in first world countries? She wasn't left to die because she was a woman she was left to die because those people are shit scared of catching Ebola. Also "I disagree with you" is a pretty poor argument and/or back-up to whatever it is that you are thinking - how about actually stating your thoughts? You seem to be tossing out one liners today with no discussion, no backup and hoping people will be able to extrapolate what the hell you are on about from one link and one short cryptic sentence. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 26, 2017 13:27:24 GMT
Was it widely reported in Australia that the marches only focus was the protest of 45? Also I disagree with you. Not "only" but mainly and it was certainly his election that prompted those marches to occur at that point in time. Do you think the world wide women's marches were about female Ebola survivor's subsequent lack of medical treatment?? I'll bet pretty much no-one marching would have come up with that while the march was happening. In a country like that, the same thing would have happened to an Ebola survivor male if he presented post surgery convulsing and frothing at the mouth. The people in that community people saw thousands die within a few short months, so I doubt they care if the sick person is male or female, they are just out to look after themselves and not die. What does that have to do with a woman's march or International Women's Day in first world countries? She wasn't left to die because she was a woman she was left to die because those people are shit scared of catching Ebola. Also "I disagree with you" is a pretty poor argument and/or back-up to whatever it is that you are thinking - how about actually stating your thoughts? You seem to be tossing out one liners today with no discussion, no backup and hoping people will be able to extrapolate what the hell you are on about from one link and one short cryptic sentence. I don't feel like its my responsibility to make the connections for you. Its also not worth it to engage. Not sure where you getting the cryptic one liner vibe from but I also disagree with your dissection of my posting style just being more deliberate about how I spend my time online. You can disagree with the connections between the Women's March on Washington/International Women's Day and Karwah's death all so close together being ironic and I'll just give you another poor argument of "I disagree"  |
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 26, 2017 14:46:53 GMT
I don't feel like its my responsibility to make the connections for you. Its also not worth it to engage. Not sure where you getting the cryptic one liner vibe from but I also disagree with your dissection of my posting style just being more deliberate about how I spend my time online. You can disagree with the connections between the Women's March on Washington/International Women's Day and Karwah's death all so close together being ironic and I'll just give you another poor argument of "I disagree" I'm having a hard time understanding the connections of the Women's March on Washington/international Women's Day and Karwah's death. Wouldn't they have done the same thing to a man if he was an Ebola survivor? I admit that I don't know the ins and outs of healthcare in Liberia. I thought it had to do more with not having enough resources or knowledge on how to medically treat others. That's why I'm confused by your post. I agree with not getting into a pissing match with someone and using gross generalizations about "the other side", but I don't see anything wrong in clarifying what you mean about this specific situation. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 26, 2017 15:06:23 GMT
I don't feel like its my responsibility to make the connections for you. Its also not worth it to engage. Not sure where you getting the cryptic one liner vibe from but I also disagree with your dissection of my posting style just being more deliberate about how I spend my time online. You can disagree with the connections between the Women's March on Washington/International Women's Day and Karwah's death all so close together being ironic and I'll just give you another poor argument of "I disagree" I'm having a hard time understanding the connections of the Women's March on Washington/international Women's Day and Karwah's death. Wouldn't they have done the same thing to a man if he was an Ebola survivor? I admit that I don't know the ins and outs of healthcare in Liberia. I thought it had to do more with not having enough resources or knowledge on how to medically treat others. That's why I'm confused by your post. I agree with not getting into a pissing match with someone and using gross generalizations about "the other side", but I don't see anything wrong in clarifying what you mean about this specific situation. I think it's important to know when it's a pissing match or useful discourse. (General) You can pretend to not know the difference but I see g-you. I do think that if a male patient presented foaming at the mouth he would have also died. Though that wasn't the point I was trying to make. Which for the record is how sad, ironic, fucked up, tragic, maddening etc is it that this woman died under those circumstances. Also should I change the title to "1 of 3" so as not to be misleading? Did any of you really find issue with that? |
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 26, 2017 15:51:09 GMT
So tragic and sad.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 26, 2017 19:26:44 GMT
I think it's important to know when it's a pissing match or useful discourse. (General) You can pretend to not know the difference but I see g-you. I do think that if a male patient presented foaming at the mouth he would have also died. Though that wasn't the point I was trying to make. Which for the record is how sad, ironic, fucked up, tragic, maddening etc is it that this woman died under those circumstances. I don't know what you mean by that?  My point about a male patient was would he be helped and a female would not? Not if he would have died. If he would have been helped, then I see the tie to the Women's march. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 26, 2017 20:03:38 GMT
I think it's important to know when it's a pissing match or useful discourse. (General) You can pretend to not know the difference but I see g-you. I do think that if a male patient presented foaming at the mouth he would have also died. Though that wasn't the point I was trying to make. Which for the record is how sad, ironic, fucked up, tragic, maddening etc is it that this woman died under those circumstances. I don't know what you mean by that? My point about a male patient was would he be helped and a female would not? Not if he would have died. If he would have been helped, then I see the tie to the Women's march. General you. "G-you". I don't know how to respond to the deflection without being rude so I won't. You missed my point though. I'll take 100% of the blame for that. |
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Post by bebe on Mar 26, 2017 20:35:55 GMT
Such a sad story. My first guess is postpartum eclampsia. It's unusual but it does happen. I've seen it exactly once. My daughter had post partum eclampsia--gran mal seizure and all the things that go with it--scariest time of my life as I was with her when she seized--turned out fine--she is healthy, grandson is healthy--now 30 years old--but it never leaves this Mama's brain. Having a baby is not a small thing and lots of folks just take it for granted it is all going to be okey dokey!!  |
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Post by Sam on Mar 26, 2017 20:48:43 GMT
Maybe the OP should have focused on and lamented "the failures of Liberia’s broken medical system. ... and the lingering social stigma faced by many of Ebola’s survivors".
It seems to me that someone as selfless and caring as she was would prefer that to be the focus than some political argument about the timing of her death.
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Post by Olan on Mar 26, 2017 21:01:13 GMT
Maybe the OP should have focused on and lamented "the failures of Liberia’s broken medical system. ... and the lingering social stigma faced by many of Ebola’s survivors". It seems to me that someone as selfless and caring as she was would prefer that to be the focus than some political argument about the timing of her death. Maybe you are right. I should have listed all the complexities and failures not just the one that stood out the most to me. I think that would have made all the difference |
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Post by Sam on Mar 26, 2017 21:16:37 GMT
Maybe the OP should have focused on and lamented "the failures of Liberia’s broken medical system. ... and the lingering social stigma faced by many of Ebola’s survivors". It seems to me that someone as selfless and caring as she was would prefer that to be the focus than some political argument about the timing of her death. Maybe you are right. I should have listed all the complexities and failures not just the one that stood out the most to me. I think that would have made all the difference I agree - I think it would have made a world of difference. I think her death is a terrible tragedy which was exacerbated by the fear which still surrounds Ebola and the way in which patients are approached and treated. Her story is (as I said) tragic, but it also highlights the incredible ways in which some humans act and react to their circumstances and I applaud her for her amazing strength. |
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Post by pondrunner on Mar 26, 2017 21:28:26 GMT
During the Ebola crisis I recall that there was an absurdly small number of doctors for a large population. Something like hundreds of doctors for a country of some millions. It's terrible and a reason to keep foreign aid strong and targeted.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 26, 2017 21:45:25 GMT
This is heartbreaking. I remember Salome from a program on TV. she was so brave and helped so many. Her death is so sad. May she rest in peace.
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She sounds like such an amazing woman and deserved more than that, especially since she probably saved who knows how many lives. Hopefully this will bring more awareness to the need for better medical prevention and treatment there. 
It will be interesting to see who it is for 2017. It can be controversial for sure.
My point about a male patient was would he be helped and a female would not? Not if he would have died. If he would have been helped, then I see the tie to the Women's march.
