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Post by librarylady on Mar 28, 2017 21:37:45 GMT
Since so many of you have a new interest in your ancestors, wondered if you were planning on joining something like the DAR or similar organization.
My cousin did the hard work and joined DAR, so I am tagging on to her research and applying for membership. She is a first cousin so all I need are my link to the common grandparent (my mother).
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Post by kate on Mar 28, 2017 22:30:02 GMT
I've thought about it for DD (I'm nowhere near American enough for it LOL), but I'm not really sure what the benefit would be. Can you illuminate?
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Post by perumbula on Mar 28, 2017 22:31:48 GMT
My family has researched more than one line through that period, so I could join if I wanted, but I haven't really seriously considered it. I have to say Gilmore Girls sure didn't make the DAR look good.
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Post by katelynr439 on Mar 28, 2017 22:38:37 GMT
No. Admittedly I don't know very much about DAR, and I'm sure they do some good charitable or historical work, but it feels almost a little xenophobic in the current political climate. I wouldn't be comfortable joining a group that feels a little like "I've verified my white puritanical roots!"
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Mar 28, 2017 22:41:34 GMT
My mom volunteered for DAR and did the paperwork verification for applicants. I just have to prove that I am related to her to join. If I were younger and looking for scholarship $, maybe. But as has been said, by its very nature, it's kind of a white club, so meh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 5:27:18 GMT
My father said his mother and her mother belonged. I should find out more, because my DNA test came back with that side of the family being more middle eastern than Irish(white).
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Post by mallie on Mar 29, 2017 12:34:01 GMT
I am eligible but have zero interest.
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 29, 2017 12:36:33 GMT
I'm also eligible, my grandmother was a very active member and I have no interest whatsoever.
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Post by Linda on Mar 29, 2017 12:46:17 GMT
my girls will be eligible once they turn 18 - I think the individual chapters vary quite a bit - I have a family friend who is a member and was very active for years with research and community service and her chapter was a good mix of ages from young adult to seniors but I suspect that hers was one of the better chapters, our local one doesn't seem to do too much beyond scholarships for high school students and is mostly retirees
I'm not eligible myself but both of DH's grandmothers were members
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Post by hop2 on Mar 29, 2017 12:47:12 GMT
I toyed with the idea for a while but didn't feel like doing the work. Then I found out that the stories my uncle told when I was a kid were all lies. lol Funny thing is HE is the one to do the work and shoot down his lies! So that's out for me, however had I bothered to gather the info to try I'd have found the lie much sooner, and I wouldn't have told my Kids the lie.
Hey, you win some you loose some, at least now I don't have confirmed slave owners for ancestors. ALL of my ancestors came here within 3 generations ( great grand parents ) of me now. And I do have documentation for that.
I say go for it you don't know what you'll learn!
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Post by melanell on Mar 29, 2017 13:00:45 GMT
I have a couple of different pathways to the DAR and have for some time, now, but I have never really felt any pressing need to join. I figure my info is always there if I ever change my mind, but I've been working on genealogy for quite some time now so I don't know how likely it is that I will actually choose to ever join, since I haven't already. My future genealogy goals are much more linked to traveling to the places my relatives came from or in joining organizations that are local and have more to do with the ancestral home countries. There are a few local groups, for instance, that are for descendants from one region or county, etc. that some of my relatives come from. Now those I will likely join some day. I haven't felt that I had the time to devote to them before, but as my kids get older I start to see more time available to me. Save
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Post by oaksong on Mar 29, 2017 13:16:33 GMT
My aunt was active in her local chapter, but I've never found a compelling reason to join.
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Post by librarylady on Mar 29, 2017 13:19:22 GMT
No. Admittedly I don't know very much about DAR, and I'm sure they do some good charitable or historical work, but it feels almost a little xenophobic in the current political climate. I wouldn't be comfortable joining a group that feels a little like "I've verified my white puritanical roots!" Not sure it would be that. We are white, but my brother found black relatives on the tree. I was not happy to know some slave had been violated by someone in our family line. I never thought it through because the generations of our family that I know don't have money for hired help---but most people who lived in Virginia (where our people came into the country) had slaves. I was surprised to figure out that my ancestors did have slaves...and not thrilled about it.
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Post by compwalla on Mar 29, 2017 13:24:44 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Mar 29, 2017 13:25:02 GMT
I help do tours at our local historical park. (I'm the one giving tours at the log cabins circa 1840s) So, I have an interest in local history. DAR promotes "know your history" They have an essay contest for kids in grades 5-8 (history theme). They give scholarships to American Indian tribe members. Give scholarships to history majors at various universities. ..not all tea and crumpets.
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Post by katelynr439 on Mar 29, 2017 13:26:25 GMT
No. Admittedly I don't know very much about DAR, and I'm sure they do some good charitable or historical work, but it feels almost a little xenophobic in the current political climate. I wouldn't be comfortable joining a group that feels a little like "I've verified my white puritanical roots!" Not sure it would be that. We are white, but my brother found black relatives on the tree. I was not happy to know some slave had been violated by someone in our family line. I never thought it through because the generations of our family that I know don't have money for hired help---but most people who lived in Virginia (where our people came into the country) had slaves. I was surprised to figure out that my ancestors did have slaves...and not thrilled about it. Why join DAR then? It literally is a group of people who have verified their families were part of the group most likely to have slaves. What's the appeal?
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Post by Zee on Mar 29, 2017 13:35:46 GMT
I don't think it's necessarily just slave owners, is it? Maybe if your ancestors are from Southern colonies. I am pretty sure my ancestors did not own slaves, as the only branch here before the 1880s came from Germany to PA. They could have, but I believe they did not. Slavery was allowed in the early days in PA but not widely practiced. Through this branch I believe I have eligibility but I'm not really interested in joining what feels to me like an elitist group. Most of my relatives are Irish Catholics who came here after the Civil War.
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Post by shevy on Mar 29, 2017 13:43:59 GMT
YOu always have a great resource for what you post. I appreciate that!
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Post by librarylady on Mar 29, 2017 13:54:52 GMT
Thanks for that article. I just took out the little brochure that was given to me. The brochure has 5 photos of members and 2 of those photos include women of color. If I go to meetings and get a racist vibration, I'll be out of there. I do wonder if it began as a white only organization--like so many of past times--and has evolved to include everyone. I'll go so far as to say that most social organizations in the US were very racist at one time and have changed with the times.
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Post by compwalla on Mar 29, 2017 14:10:55 GMT
Thanks for that article. I just took out the little brochure that was given to me. The brochure has 5 photos of members and 2 of those photos include women of color. If I go to meetings and get a racist vibration, I'll be out of there. I do wonder if it began as a white only organization--like so many of past times--and has evolved to include everyone. I'll go so far as to say that most social organizations in the US were very racist at one time and have changed with the times. It seems they're making an effort. But it's good to know (if someone gives you side-eye about it) why they might be doing so.
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 29, 2017 14:26:35 GMT
I was a member for a number of years. I belonged to 3 different chapters. I never saw any actual benefit to me or my family personally. They have a very racist history (more on that below) so in graduate school I got called out for belonging to a racist organization - I didn't know the history of it - I just joined to please my grandmother.
My son recently applied to the SAR. The process to be approved is going on one year, and that is with me being a DAR member (not active). He wanted to apply for scholarships but then he found out you don't need to be a member to get scholarships.
I really can't say what benefit it would be. I went to the DAR library and DAR Museum in DC and I still had to pay full price to get in. I was like, "What? I pay all these dues and can't even get in for free?"
Here's the big downside. You must prove LEGITIMATE decendence from a Rev War Patriot. So if somewhere along the way someone wasn't married, you don't get in. So members are made up of people who did nothing but be born into the 'right' circumstances. That's how they keep out other ethnicities since in some periods in history people could not be legally married so no membership for them.
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Post by librarylady on Mar 29, 2017 16:18:06 GMT
I have been thinking of this as I did chores this AM.
Because of all the paperwork to get in--proving one's blood line, with birth certificates etc. I can see how a person who came here via the slave trade would be excluded. At least, as far as I know, those births/marriages were not recorded since people of color were not viewed as a person and not counted in the same way as white folks. It would be very hard to qualify.
I may not get in. LOL My mother's Birth certificate lists as her father, not the correct first name, but a nick name as first name. The blood line back to the 1770s is through her father. I have to find some other recognized document that gives her father's legal name.
Whether I ever belong or not, it is fun to see how long the family has been in America. Fun fact: My mother's family came here in the early 1700s and my grandfather on father's side came in 1908.
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 29, 2017 16:35:18 GMT
I have been thinking of this as I did chores this AM. Because of all the paperwork to get in--proving one's blood line, with birth certificates etc. I can see how a person who came here via the slave trade would be excluded. At least, as far as I know, those births/marriages were not recorded since people of color were not viewed as a person and not counted in the same way as white folks. It would be very hard to qualify. I may not get in. LOL My mother's Birth certificate lists as her father, not the correct first name, but a nick name as first name. The blood line back to the 1770s is through her father. I have to find some other recognized document that gives her father's legal name. Whether I ever belong or not, it is fun to see how long the family has been in America. Fun fact: My mother's family came here in the early 1700s and my grandfather came in 1908. Yes, many people are excluded, not just slaves. If 3 generations ago your great great grandmother was not married to the baby's father before their child's birth YOU do not get in. Now tell me what did you have to do with any of that? Nothing. But you can't prove legal/legitimate blood line. But if your great grandmother got pregnant by someone else, but listed her husband as the father, then you do get in. It is crazy. I think the DAR has outlived its purpose. You can tell everyone you are descended from an American Rev Patriot without paying dues to them.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 29, 2017 16:50:01 GMT
YOu always have a great resource for what you post. I appreciate that! ^^^ I agree! That's a really interesting article. My great-grandparents (I think it's only one 'great') all came over from Sweden and Germany, so there's nothing like this in my family heritage. But if there was, I think I'd want to join; having family history back to the Revolution is really neat!! And if they do 'good works' and help preserve / uncover historical information about the people who were there, then that sounds like a GOOD thing, to me. Not everyone during that time was a slave owner, and if someone in your family lived in the US at the time, then why not join? It sure as heck won't ever get more diverse if everyone keeps the (apparently mistaken) attitude of 'it's a white organization.' ETA: I just read the posts that talk about how restrictive the proof that you need is... sounds to me like they could / should make it easier for people to join if the family history shows the lineage, not just the marriage certificates, etc.
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Post by Portia on Mar 29, 2017 17:03:42 GMT
So interesting! I have never given it a thought. Although I'm adopted (so who knows?)--on my dad's side I'm 2nd generation, and close to it on my mom's--her family came from Alaska (which is kinda funny if you think about it, typically people go to Alaska..although, I think originally they were from Sweden).
I think if I found out that I was eligible, through birth family investigation, I would hesitate--just because I have always been sort of proud of my '2nd generation' thing--my grandparents didn't speak English very well, so I've always been interested in their journey to the U.S.--I think it was around the turn of the century (20th)--they both came here to seek a better life.
I just have never thought of it. Until this moment, I didn't realize that the DAR had a racist history--I wonder if living in the Pacific Northwest has something to do with my lack of understanding? My DH is 2nd gen--thinking about it, I don't know anyone who had ever had anything to do with the DAR. I didn't even know it was still a thing--my eyes have been opened!
Thanks for the thought provoking thread.
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 29, 2017 19:09:42 GMT
My grandmother and my aunt were both members of the DAR, so I could join and might do so someday.
I seriously thought about joining a local chapter when I was living in Texas, but they required members to commit to a pretty hefty number of volunteer hours, and I was already heavily involved in another volunteer organization which took up a bunch of my time. The local chapter often brought in notable speakers and the programs were open to anyone who wanted to attend.
My ancestors were never slaveholders, as far as I know. My ancestors who fought in the American Revolution were ordinary farmers from upstate New York.
I think it's great that the DAR is actively recruiting black and Native American members and recognizing the contributions of those groups to the American Revolution. The Marian Anderson incident is a dark stain on the history of the DAR, but there are lots of organizations that are around to today which have a history of segregation, but have embraced change and evolved. For some reason, I always think of professional baseball as an organization which used to bar Black players, but now has players of all nationalities and races. If we can forgive professional baseball for its ugly segregationist past, why not forgive the DAR?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 29, 2017 21:57:53 GMT
I don't think I would qualify since my grandma on my mom's side emigrated from Germany when she was a young girl. DH's grandma was a member and had done all the research, so his mom and sister could have joined if there was an interest but neither one had any desire to do it.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 29, 2017 22:58:12 GMT
I am a genealogist and can document and qualify for the DAR on two of my lines. My mother's family has been here from before it was a country and several fought in the revolutionary war. I realized years ago I could join but for some reason it never interested me. Maybe sub consciously because I don't much care for exclusionary groups.
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Post by melanell on Mar 29, 2017 23:01:48 GMT
Yes, many people are excluded, not just slaves. If 3 generations ago your great great grandmother was not married to the baby's father before their child's birth YOU do not get in. Now tell me what did you have to do with any of that? Nothing. But you can't prove legal/legitimate blood line. But if your great grandmother got pregnant by someone else, but listed her husband as the father, then you do get in. It is crazy. I think the DAR has outlived its purpose. You can tell everyone you are descended from an American Rev Patriot without paying dues to them. Yeah, it's sheer luck that I could get in on one of my branches. I am descended from the second child in the family. But she was the first child born in wedlock. Her older sister was not. The marriages of descendants along the way has nothing at all to do with the fact that I am descended from a few different men who fought in the American Revolution. Nothing. The rule only makes sense if they add an L for "legitimate" before the DAR. Because a person doesn't need a string of marriage licenses to be a descendant of someone. And as you said, no string of licenses prove actual ancestry anyway. Save
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 29, 2017 23:10:55 GMT
I am a genealogist and can document and qualify for the DAR on two of my lines. My mother's family has been here from before it was a country and several fought in the revolutionary war. I realized years ago I could join but for some reason it never interested me. Maybe sub consciously because I don't much care for exclusionary groups. That is as good a reason as I have heard. On another note, and I think I am the only one who has posted who has been a member of the DAR - this is a very exclusionary group. People are admitted or kept out based on absolutely nothing we did our selves nor anything we had any control over. The appearance that they are outreaching to African Americans and Native Americans believe me is an appearance. They do not make exceptions to the documentation criteria. Now some people, especially northern free blacks may actually have certificates all the way through every generation from 1776. The DAR has always maintained they will admit anyone, regardless of ethnicity IF they can prove with documentation. Surmise that almost anyone who is African-American and in the DAR today descended from white lineage and somewhere in more recent generations there was intermarriage. Please consider this when thinking about this organization. Don't think for one minute it's only about Marian Anderson.
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