I hate Trump - Climate Change

My FIL LOVES him, DH's aunt too.  We have people we associate with who think he is absolutely awesome.  There reasons?  He isn't Hillary.  He's going to save us.  He is pro-military.  He is pro oil and gas (all but FIL are in the industry).  They are also mainly uneducated as in no post-high school education (except the aunt whose husband was a vp of one of the oil companies).  Most of the supporters we know are racist or at least lean that way.  They are self proclaimed Christians, although only one family goes to church and they are pretty hypocritical.  The church family and a couple of others also believe that evolution is a lie because god created the Earth in the way described in Genesis.  Oddly enough, the church going family also HATED Obama and Obamacare, but used both CHP+ for their children (more income than medicaid eligible, but not much) and had surgery based on the insurance they were able to get on the exchange because the employer didn't offer it.  They still hated Obamacare.

Those people are never going to change their mind.

Not to mention the wider impact on the world as a whole. Cheers Trump!

My theory in this, Trump desperately needs approval hence he still does rallys. He needs to appeal to the working class that voted him in and who were unable to see his many faults. Bringing them jobs, dangerous jobs, doesn't matter to the uneducated, will make them happy. I wish instead he would find ways to attract large corporations to move to those towns that lost an entire industry. Companies move headquarters if the incentives are right.

However I was having this discussion with someone who had moved out of Michigan and he pointed out to me that cars are still be made all over the USA. Living in Detroit is the issue. The problem is any new corporation moving in wouldn't be able to attract upper level management to live in that area and that's not a position you can just train people from the area to do.

So I don't know, what types of industries or companies do you think could revitalize these towns vacant of jobs due to factory/mine closings?

All because Obama made fun of him at the WHC dinner.  Seriously, I think this is all vindictiveness about Obama.  He has a serious complex.



But, let me give you some good news/bad news about this whole thing:

THE DEVELOPED WORLD IS NOT GOING ALONG WITH US!!!!

Google "Climate Change" or "Sustainability" or "Renewable Energy" or "Energy Storage" and then Europe or China or India to see what the rest of the world is doing.  They are light years ahead of us in implementation and regs (though not in research, we're still holding our own there - until Trump cuts funding to DOE and the National Labs).  So, the good news is the rest of the world can save us. The bad news is we will turn into a "3rd World Style" pariah nation w/nothing to offer and shitty water and air - further destroying our reputations.

e.g., economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/donald-trump-order-on-climate-misguided-will-hurt-americans-green-advocates/articleshow/57892619.cms

"What's more, there are countless countries ready to step up and deliver on their climate promises and take advantage of Mr Trump's short-termism to reap the benefits of the transition to the low carbon economy," she added.

He and his ilk in DC are pretty despicable with their disregard for the environment. Maybe they can afford to filter their homes while the rest of us choke.

I have a feeling his supporters are not 'okay' with it, but feel that if it's not in their(my) back yard(NIMBY), they'll be okay. The reality is that it's ALL our back yard.

How far can these actions go in 2 years to damage our environment? What can we do in the next elections to put people in office who value people & the environment? I suspect Trump will not last that long. He's already handing over the control to others and spending more time playing golf than even the most ardent supporter can excuse. Barring that, I think all the Russian connections will ultimately make this presidency invalid.

Many say these environmental roll backs are a way to give power back to the states, so get involved with your state big time. Maryland just voted to ban fracking. Connect with the environmental groups in your area. I volunteer with Food & Water Watch, particularly for Maryland concerns. The truth is that while some states are very environmentally focuses, others are not or do not have the resources to take up the cause when the federal gov't has lifted the floodgate on protection.

Do you/will you have grandchildren?

I honestly feel really bad for you, you have yourself so worked up into a lather over everything Trump does. I dislike him too and disagree with many of his policies, but it seems like your hatred of him is really taking away from your ability to live & enjoy a normal life day-to-day.

I'm so thankful that I live in a state that was already turning its back on using coal in our power plants and is working toward being fully on board with the Paris initiatives, switching to renewables and hopefully there are a good number of other states doing the same. There is an article about it in today's local paper but I haven't read it yet.

Everyone who is concerned (and honestly, everyone SHOULD be, I too am old enough to remember how polluted our country was in the 70's) needs to contact their state representatives and tell them so. Tell them you will only support candidates that care about protecting the environment. A few years of carelessness can take DECADES to reverse and clean up, not to mention a crapton of money. This is so much bigger than any one country, and if our planet gets hopelessly trashed beyond repair, we ALL suffer. I don't understand how some people don't get that.

If people don't get worked up, he will destroy your entire country and other countries will suffer.

Complacency isn't the way to go here. People will be and SHOULD be "worked up" over Trump. He and his cabinet are dangerous. 

Putting your head in the sand won't help either. Talking about it, brings it to light.

How on earth would you cone to that conclusion?

Having children/grandchildren is a reason to care MUCH MORE about his idiotic, non-scientific, f#($*-up-the-environment policies.

And  www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/03/29/trump-promised-to-bring-back-coal-jobs-that-promise-will-not-be-kept-experts-say/

"But industry experts say coal mining jobs will continue to be lost, not because of blocked access to coal, but because power plant owners are turning to natural gas. At least six plants that relied on coal have closed or announced they will close since Trump’s victory in November, including the main plant at the Navajo Generating Station in Arizona, the largest in the West. Another 40 are projected to close during the president’s four-year term....

As power companies switch fuels, “the amount of coal in the national energy generation mix (both Fuels and Electricity Generation) has declined by 53 percent since 2006,” according to a Department of Energy report released in January. Over the same period, electricity generation from natural gas increased 33 percent....

The IEEFA disagreed. “Promises to create more coal jobs will not be kept — indeed the industry will continue to cut payrolls,” the group said in its 2017 U.S. Coal Outlook. “These losses will be related in part to the coal industry’s long-term business model of producing more coal with fewer workers.”"



Automation, nat gas, renewables, and the rest of the world - all working against Trump's transparent self-serving promise to return coal jobs. That ship has sailed. It isn't coming back. People can stick their fingers in their ears and "la la la" all they want. Economics of cheap nat gas, quick ramping nat gas units (vs. slow ramping coal units), solar, storage and automation will not be deterred based on Trump's lies and people's fervent desire to believe them.

Most of the Auto management in Detroit live in the Birmingham, Bloomfield, Novi ares. Much wealthier. You don't have to live in Detroit proper to be in upper management with the Auto industry. Also, most of the corporate offices are in Auburn Hills, Dearborn (bedroom communities of Detroit). And your cost of living here is much less. A home that costs 1 M in a Chicago suburb costs $350,000 in Michigan.