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Post by birdgate on Mar 29, 2017 18:50:08 GMT
Even Exxon is telling trump not to back out of the climate summit in France!
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Mar 29, 2017 19:02:57 GMT
This pisses me off. Here, in Canada, we have a lot of climate change policies that are being implemented daily. Our PM is very concerned about climate change. While he is far from perfect, it's one thing I like about him. If Trump succeeds and destroys the water and air in the US, it WILL, trickle up to our beautiful country somehow. It will have an impact on CANADA and he doesn't give a shit. It,s bad enough he is trying to ruin the US out of SPITE. I called it at the start of his campaign that he only ran to get back at Seth Myers and Obama for teasing him at the WHC dinner all those years ago. Trump is a petulant child and he vowed to get even.
Thing is, he will destroy everything to get his just desserts and he doesn't even care that his OWN GRANDCHILDREN will pay the price too. It is very sobering to think that every bit of this could have been unleashed by some teasing remarks from Obama, but the more I watch Trump determinedly trying to stamp out every single tiny thing Obama accomplished, the more I really do think that this may all be rooted in a narcissist's desire for revenge. And unfortunately, he was amply supplied with people all to eager to ride his revenge train to their own ends. (Bannon, in particular, but many more plus Russia.) It is truly tragic, and I don't throw that word around lightly.
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Mar 29, 2017 19:07:36 GMT
That was sarcasm. Although I am surprised it isn't lower. Are there really that many people still snowed by him? Yes. My in laws and all their extended family. My sister in law ACTUALLY said the other day "I love listening to him speak". I wasn't even sure how to respond, I'm sure the look on my face said it all. Holy God. How is this even possible? Does she love shoving bamboo shoots under her nails, too?
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 29, 2017 21:08:01 GMT
It seems that anything with the Obama name attached has to go, he is vindictive. I do not understand how he's getting away with killing the planet. Even he breathes air - or maybe not. All because Obama made fun of him at the WHC dinner. Seriously, I think this is all vindictiveness about Obama. He has a serious complex. While everything said above is true, I believe at the very core of the extreme hate is racism. I believe that is where most of the hate comes from. Trump and those who support him can't deal with the fact that there was a black man in the white house, especially because he is smart and classy.
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Post by elaine on Mar 29, 2017 22:42:44 GMT
All because Obama made fun of him at the WHC dinner. Seriously, I think this is all vindictiveness about Obama. He has a serious complex. While everything said above is true, I believe at the very core of the extreme hate is racism. I believe that is where most of the hate comes from. Trump and those who support him can't deal with the fact that there was a black man in the white house, especially because he is smart and classy. I believe that about a number of his followers - not all - but, I truly believe that Trump is shallow enough that it really is all about petty revenge. Look at the long-standing war with Rosie O'Donnell, although that is probably also due to his sexism - the slight/insult is that much worse coming from a woman/POC that he is even more dogged in his drive for revenge.
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Post by shescrafty on Mar 29, 2017 22:52:55 GMT
Every morning on my way to work I listen to C-SPAN radio. Each morning they have a Republican line, and independent line, and a Democrat line for people to call the station. The comments that come out of the Republican line typically make me scream and curse on my short drive to teach kindergarteners, LOL.
I don't understand how people could vote for him, until I listen to the radio and hear his supporters. Comments like, "I think God every day for Trump and think he was sent to us to save this country, " make me shake my head in disbelief. I have heard many callers say that the only reason Democrats don't like him is because they voted for Hillary and lost, so they won't like anything he does. I just don't understand the rabid support in the face of so many lies that he tells, and so many policies that just make no sense.
The fact an idea that he is throwing more money into Cole and nonrenewable resources rather than focusing our efforts on jobs that could be created with wind and solar power is just crazy. As people before have said, he is extremely shortsighted. Hearing him speak I just don't think he is very intelligent.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 29, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
This pisses me off. Here, in Canada, we have a lot of climate change policies that are being implemented daily. Our PM is very concerned about climate change. While he is far from perfect, it's one thing I like about him. If Trump succeeds and destroys the water and air in the US, it WILL, trickle up to our beautiful country somehow. It will have an impact on CANADA and he doesn't give a shit. It,s bad enough he is trying to ruin the US out of SPITE. I called it at the start of his campaign that he only ran to get back at Seth Myers and Obama for teasing him at the WHC dinner all those years ago. Trump is a petulant child and he vowed to get even.
Thing is, he will destroy everything to get his just desserts and he doesn't even care that his OWN GRANDCHILDREN will pay the price too. It is very sobering to think that every bit of this could have been unleashed by some teasing remarks from Obama, but the more I watch Trump determinedly trying to stamp out every single tiny thing Obama accomplished, the more I really do think that this may all be rooted in a narcissist's desire for revenge. And unfortunately, he was amply supplied with people all to eager to ride his revenge train to their own ends. (Bannon, in particular, but many more plus Russia.) It is truly tragic, and I don't throw that word around lightly. There is definitely a large degree of vindictiveness and spite in his tenure so far. Its been his entire focus so far. Its a bit alarming. Most presidents seem to spend time building on, making amendments or tweaks to the prior administrations policies overall, in my observation. He seems hellbent on destroying every single thing implemented by the prior administration, simply for the sake of it. Nothing to do with the quality or validity of them at all.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Mar 29, 2017 23:02:26 GMT
Every morning on my way to work I listen to C-SPAN radio. Each morning they have a Republican line, and independent line, and a Democrat line for people to call the station. The comments that come out of the Republican line typically make me scream and curse on my short drive to teach kindergarteners, LOL. I don't understand how people could vote for him, until I listen to the radio and hear his supporters. Comments like, "I think God every day for Trump and think he was sent to us to save this country, " make me shake my head in disbelief. I have heard many callers say that the only reason Democrats don't like him is because they voted for Hillary and lost, so they won't like anything he does. I just don't understand the rabid support in the face of so many lies that he tells, and so many policies that just make no sense. The fact an idea that he is throwing more money into Cole and nonrenewable resources rather than focusing our efforts on jobs that could be created with wind and solar power is just crazy. As people before have said, he is extremely shortsighted. Hearing him speak I just don't think he is very intelligent. I know someone who truly believes that Trump was chosen by God to lead our country. She doesn't like him, voted for him only because of the "Republican platform," but he was not her top choice of Republican candidates. This is a very intelligent, educated person. She is also very religious, what I would consider upper class, sends her kids to private schools, etc. When she said that to me, I was completely speechless. I think she is one of those Trump supporters who is holding her nose at Trump because it's not about "him" it's about the Republican agenda. UGH.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 30, 2017 0:04:43 GMT
Every morning on my way to work I listen to C-SPAN radio. Each morning they have a Republican line, and independent line, and a Democrat line for people to call the station. The comments that come out of the Republican line typically make me scream and curse on my short drive to teach kindergarteners, LOL. I don't understand how people could vote for him, until I listen to the radio and hear his supporters. Comments like, "I think God every day for Trump and think he was sent to us to save this country, " make me shake my head in disbelief. I have heard many callers say that the only reason Democrats don't like him is because they voted for Hillary and lost, so they won't like anything he does. I just don't understand the rabid support in the face of so many lies that he tells, and so many policies that just make no sense. The fact an idea that he is throwing more money into Cole and nonrenewable resources rather than focusing our efforts on jobs that could be created with wind and solar power is just crazy. As people before have said, he is extremely shortsighted. Hearing him speak I just don't think he is very intelligent. I know someone who truly believes that Trump was chosen by God to lead our country. She doesn't like him, voted for him only because of the "Republican platform," but he was not her top choice of Republican candidates. This is a very intelligent, educated person. She is also very religious, what I would consider upper class, sends her kids to private schools, etc. When she said that to me, I was completely speechless. I think she is one of those Trump supporters who is holding her nose at Trump because it's not about "him" it's about the Republican agenda. UGH. I may disagree with a food amount of the Republican agenda/platform, but I never thought they were out to destroy America and then the world. I think they wanted just enough, but knew the dems would keep them from going too far
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 30, 2017 17:11:20 GMT
The sentiment behind wanting to bring back coal jobs doesn’t do a lick of good simply because natural gas is cheaper than coal. Doesn’t matter if it’s Obama or Trump or Clinton at the White House. All those states and utilities that had already converted are not going to wake up one morning and say to themselves, “Oh, goody, the president has lifted regulations against coal. Let’s all increase our capital expenditure and go back to it.” Markets don’t care. Talk to them about money and then they’ll care.
If the president wants to do something positive about energy, he can begin by appointing a commission to study how we can lower the price of renewable sources (which, environmentally speaking is far better because natural gas is still a fossil fuel). Approximately 30 states already have mandates that apportion varying percentages to producing and selling electricity from renewables, which is a great start. Problem is some have complied but not fully, and some have not due to costs. Consumers generally don’t care about the source of their electricity. What they care about is how much they’ll pay monthly. If producers see that their renewable energy subsidies will lower their production costs, they’ll be more willing to convert, and lowered costs for the consumer will create the demand. But that’s not what’s happening right now and we have to figure out how to make it happen.
Even Bush recognized we had to move forward and signed laws to encourage renewable energy. I understand Trump's justification behind wanting to put the unemployed back to work because that’s a goal every president ought to have, but to be entrenched in backward thinking to help a very small subset of the economy will not create jobs. Subsidies for training in newer technologies that offer a sustainable job market (similar to ARRA’s $3B for training) will go a long way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 13:18:09 GMT
Here's an article echoing what I've posted on numerous threads: The rest of the world will carry on w/climate change technologies and regulations. They will laugh at stupid backwards America as they turn to sun, wind and storage as massive wealth creation mechanisms. Good on them. Hope we rejoin their ranks some day when the bigots are out of power: GE CEO slams Trump over climate efforts"The CEO of General Electric Co. on Wednesday slammed President Trump’s executive order rolling back former President Obama's climate change efforts in an internal memo, pledging his company will continue its efforts to combat climate change. “Companies must be resilient and learn to adjust to political volatility all over the world,” Jeff Immelt wrote in the company blog post, according to Politico. ” Companies must have their own ‘foreign policy’ and create technology and solutions that address local needs for our customers and society.”" thehill.com/homenews/administration/326457-ge-ceo-slams-trump-administration-over-climate-efforts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 13:22:22 GMT
And another one - the hits just keep on coming! "Though few people realize it, more than 250 coal plants — almost half of the total number in this country — have announced in recent years that they will close or switch to cleaner fuels. Washington isn’t putting these plants out of business; the Obama administration’s Clean Power Plan hasn’t even gone into effect yet.They are closing because consumers are demanding energy from sources that don’t poison their air and water, and because energy companies are providing cleaner and cheaper alternatives. When two coal plant closings were announced last week, in southern Ohio, the company explained that they were no longer “economically viable.” That’s increasingly true for the whole industry. A week before President Trump signed the executive order to begin rolling back the Clean Power Plan, Moody’s Investor Service released a report concluding that wind power could displace up to two-thirds of coal-fired power production in 15 Midwestern states. The reason? The average cost of wind power has dropped to $20 per megawatt, compared with the more than $30 cost per megawatt for electricity from many coal plants in the region. Why would consumers pay more for a power source that may kill them?"www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/opinion/climate-progress-with-or-without-trump.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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