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Post by beanbuddymom on Mar 30, 2017 18:36:27 GMT
All of the men making women's healthcare decisions in law made me wonder if it was possible to change the laws so that we had equal representation in the house and senate. A LAW that was passed so that this wasn't happpening anymore.
Right now we have 2 senators, what if that was changed so that they had to be a woman and a man?
Equal amount of representatives for every man there was same amount of women?
Could this be possible? Or do you think it would be voted down because the men would vote it down since they are the majority? And how could we make it happen?
Do you think this would help our women's rights?
DD just did a project where it showed in 1917 women's suffrage march, compared to 2017 and she was surprised how similar - she noted we as women had a lot more rights but was surprised how current day it's still a man's world in many ways - political representation, media representation, sports, etc.
Do you think equal representation in the house and senate would help? And do you think a bill like that or law requiring this would ever come to pass?
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Post by iluvpink on Mar 30, 2017 18:37:38 GMT
I don't think that would go over well. And then we'd have people saying the same for race, religion etc. Can you imagine?
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Post by katelynr439 on Mar 30, 2017 18:37:53 GMT
I care deeply about women's issues, and I do not support an action like this.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 30, 2017 18:46:21 GMT
I don't think that would go over well. And then we'd have people saying the same for race, religion etc. Can you imagine? That was my thought too. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 30, 2017 18:46:51 GMT
I was wondering about this too, because women make up more than half of the population but are nowhere near half of our governing body. I'm sure there would be pushback if something like that were even proposed. I believe that we do need more women and women's perspective in government.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 30, 2017 18:48:47 GMT
The men will always vote it down. Especially republican men.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 30, 2017 18:50:04 GMT
The men will always vote it down. Especially republican men. Sadly, I think even republican women would vote it down too.  |
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 30, 2017 18:52:45 GMT
I am not in favor of this. I don't think that there should be a gender # mandate in congress. I think those seats need to go to the candidates that can beat fill them and represent the people in their areas. If that's a man, so be it. If it's a woman, so be it. I would hate for an underqualified woman to get a seat and a fully qualified man to get passed over just because of gender. This is why I don't vote down gender lines. (Not do I vote down party lines either, so we're clear).
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 30, 2017 18:54:44 GMT
Did you see the picture of the Cabinet voting on the maternity leave bill. Not a single woman could be seen. I know there are four in the Cabinet. Just wondered if they weren't there or weren't pictured.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 30, 2017 18:59:46 GMT
there are some states that have two women senators.. and I'd like to keep mine thank you
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Post by ilikepink on Mar 30, 2017 19:05:54 GMT
It's an interesting concept. The town I was from in NJ had male/female members of the Democratic and Republican committees in town. Don't know if that's a town thing, party thing, or state thing. But it gave some balance. Bearing in mind it's a very small town.
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Post by rickmer on Mar 30, 2017 19:14:24 GMT
I read something recently about how the current US government has been a boon for encouraging young women to want to get into politics to make a difference. maybe that is what he meant about "making america great again"?  and there is a funny meme going around FB. it's a photo of bunch of dogs sitting at a boardroom table and the meme says "negotiating cats reproductive rights", or something along those lines! |
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Mar 30, 2017 19:17:08 GMT
I want the best person. Rather than imposing quotas, why don't you talk to your female friends about running for office? I can't speak for other places, but we rarely have a woman on the ballot for the higher positions at all. If they aren't running, we can't elect them.
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Post by compwalla on Mar 30, 2017 19:20:29 GMT
I want the best person. Rather than imposing quotas, why don't you talk to your female friends about running for office? I can't speak for other places, but we rarely have a woman on the ballot for the higher positions at all. If they aren't running, we can't elect them. This sort of reminds me of "If you're poor, why don't you stop being poor?" I don't know that quotas are the answer but ignoring the problem and hoping it will eventually go away has not helped. I do know that for the Democratic National Convention, there is a complex formula for choosing delegates that must follow strict diversity guidelines. The Republican National Convention looked like a goddamn bowl of rice. The DNC may not be perfect but they are fucking trying. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 30, 2017 19:25:09 GMT
I read something recently about how the current US government has been a boon for encouraging young women to want to get into politics to make a difference. maybe that is what he meant about "making america great again"? and there is a funny meme going around FB. it's a photo of bunch of dogs sitting at a boardroom table and the meme says "negotiating cats reproductive rights", or something along those lines! There is also one with dogs campaigning for a fence that the cats will pay for  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:31:52 GMT
Women need to run for local office and work their way up. I see locally PTA->school board-> town board -> County legislator -> State Senator or Assemblywoman as the route to a political position.
They need to be supported because campaigns take a TON of time. When I ran for local office I was going door to door or events 7 days a week from Memorial Day through the first Tuesday in November. Every day after my day job til dark and then all day on the weekends. Add into that strategy/campaign meetings. My husband had to hold down the fort with my then 7 year old daughter and 17 year old sons. To this day, if I ask her to go for a walk her immediate response is "door to door? NO!"
Then there is the endorsements and fundraising. Women have to seek endorsements from (traditionally) male dominated organizations like unions, good government club. And for some reason, it's easier to ask for money for a cause (girl scouts, PTA, etc) than for yourself.
Politics is dirty. Middle school tween girl dirty. Backstabbing and ass kissing is a given. These are the reasons women don't run, IMHO.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 30, 2017 19:51:13 GMT
Women need to run for local office and work their way up. I see locally PTA->school board-> town board -> County legislator -> State Senator or Assemblywoman as the route to a political position. They need to be supported because campaigns take a TON of time. When I ran for local office I was going door to door or events 7 days a week from Memorial Day through the first Tuesday in November. Every day after my day job til dark and then all day on the weekends. Add into that strategy/campaign meetings. My husband had to hold down the fort with my then 7 year old daughter and 17 year old sons. To this day, if I ask her to go for a walk her immediate response is "door to door? NO!" Then there is the endorsements and fundraising. Women have to seek endorsements from (traditionally) male dominated organizations like unions, good government club. And for some reason, it's easier to ask for money for a cause (girl scouts, PTA, etc) than for yourself. Politics is dirty. Middle school tween girl dirty. Backstabbing and ass kissing is a given. These are the reasons women don't run, IMHO.I see this a lot in Facebook groups, that many women want sanitized and only nice things going on in the different groups. I have see people actually start other FB groups because ANY complaint was seen as negative. ETA: Such as slow shipping or not agreeing about a dogs condition/exercise/feeding. If we can't even be open to someone disagreeing with us when chatting about dogs or scrapbooking, then how can we expect to work in politics or other highly competitive businesses  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 20:29:00 GMT
I often say I like the game, but hate the players.
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Post by valleyview on Mar 30, 2017 20:59:00 GMT
What you're proposing would really have to be a Constitutional amendment. It would never get ratified.
Really, though, we just need to find and support lawmakers that we believe in. The political parties should encourage diversity because it is to their benefit. But, if we ALL thought that a woman president was the most important issue, then we would have one.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 30, 2017 23:04:57 GMT
there are some states that have two women senators.. and I'd like to keep mine thank you I'm not a fan of Kamala Harris and now I'm starting to wonder if Adam Schiff might be talked into primarying her. I'd vote for him as many times as they'd let me. As for the OP ... I would not support legislating half the seats for women or otherwise specifying percentages for different population groups. May the best (wo)man win. Just level the damn playing field, dudes, okay?! |
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Post by scrapaddie on Mar 31, 2017 1:35:11 GMT
I think such a law would be sexist. I want to vote for the candidate, not their sec
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Post by SabrinaP on Mar 31, 2017 1:59:04 GMT
That's a very slippery slope. What about equaling the races in congress, sexual orientation, religions? It's not a path we should go down. I'm going to vote for the candidate that most lines up with the issues I feel are important.
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Post by mimima on Mar 31, 2017 2:37:40 GMT
there are some states that have two women senators.. and I'd like to keep mine thank you We do too. While I relate to, and appreciate, one more than the other, they both represent me well overall |
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Post by beanbuddymom on Mar 31, 2017 14:28:25 GMT
I'm honestly surprised at the responses. I have heard many people (I guess it was on facebook) express that they were not a fan of men making healthcare decisions for women. And yes I am also responding to a photo that was posted of all of the men sitting around the table discussing the healthcare act that was posted online. I saw that photo and I'll be honest, I was pretty fired up.
I do get what you all say about it would cause a collective uproar because every race, ethnic group etc would then feel the need to be counted in the equality of the group though.
So I wonder would your answer be the same if it was just a committee formed (equal representation of men and women) to discuss the new healthcare act? Mens health and women's health. Since it's all (and I say this only from the photo) comprised of men, should they not include women in the discussion at least in the healthcare act? What are your thoughts focused on this matter in particular, then, I wonder, just curious.
It's been an interesting discussion around our household and just wondered what you thought with particular regard to the healthcare act and women's health needs, etc.
PS My son pointed out how would we address children's health needs would we need a child representative and I said no, that would have to be a different discussion. But he made a point when it came to the unborn I guess with regard to abortion rights, etc. So another consideration I hadn't thought of when I made it a man/woman thing.
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