ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 5, 2017 21:40:18 GMT
I've got an article that I'll link later when I'm not on my phone. i look forward to it
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Post by SockMonkey on Apr 5, 2017 21:41:39 GMT
People only thinking about themselves in the immediate is how we got into this fucking mess.
So, it affects me.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 5, 2017 22:04:43 GMT
i don't seek out articles or delve real deep into affairs - just the truth - I'm not in a worse mood because of world events - nor am i in a better mood when things 'go the way i think they should'
i've noticed - that some of my friends are absolutely bitter and hateful most of the time now - real life people - not necessarily peasthere are changes being made that will affect me - and my family - just as they will others but i'm not raging against the machine at every opportunity gina Your post describes me perfectly. I have laid low on Facebook for awhile now because I am just sick of some people spewing crap every single day. The same goes for here...I do come here still, but I rarely even look at political threads because its the same people, beating the same dead horse, every day. And if you try to comment on something, the gang mentality starts. So, no thank you. I will avoid the political threads as no one really wants to have discusses. Both sides just want to be right. The people I deal with day to day, in real life? They are not angry and raging. But they also are not pro-Trump at every turn. They realize that both sides are messed up, and what we have been doing isn't working any longer. edited to add: I do have concerns. But I also realize most of what I am worried about will never happen. Just like in life. The best thing I can do is love those around me and speak up to my Congressman when I am against something. But complaining on FB and other sites isn't really going to help anything. SaveSaveI agree with so much of this. I miss the old feeling on this board  I feel that the handful of people that post raging angry posts refuse to see that they are actually pushing people away instead of getting them on board. And I'm tired of people ganging up and beating up on anyone that doesn't agree with them. I live in a liberal state and surprisingly find FB is better than here to discuss politics. And we used to be a pretty tight community so it makes me sad. So many people have left or don't post any more. And many of them were middle of the road thinkers that were willing to see both sides, if they were treated with respect.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 5, 2017 22:17:45 GMT
I feel an obligation as a citizen to keep up. And events/laws could affect me. That health care bill would have. I'm afraid that they will be able to resserect it.
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Post by Merge on Apr 5, 2017 22:32:08 GMT
Some days more than others. Syria is weighing heavily on me right now. But I also know we have big problems to solve at home. As a public school teacher, I have an ongoing fear not only for my livelihood by also for a system that I believe is good and necessary (if flawed). The kids we serve here need us. I don't think our government gets that, and it bothers me greatly.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Apr 5, 2017 22:42:20 GMT
It all scares the crap out of me. For people in the US, mostly, but also for the world. I still can't believe Americans could elect such an evil monster.
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Post by mrssmith on Apr 5, 2017 23:00:17 GMT
However, don't forget local issues, which can have a more immediate day-to-day effect. we just had a school board election yesterday i didn't run but kept myself involved by TRYING to get the candidates to explain WHY they were running my goal is to have some type of town meeting BEFORE the next election (very small town) gina I didn't run either, but tried to follow closely. That is great that you want to have a town meeting! We had a several debates/candidate forums. And they were videotaped so if you couldn't attend in person, you could watch on YouTube. Save
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Post by gar on Apr 5, 2017 23:01:49 GMT
Your post describes me perfectly. I have laid low on Facebook for awhile now because I am just sick of some people spewing crap every single day. The same goes for here...I do come here still, but I rarely even look at political threads because its the same people, beating the same dead horse, every day. And if you try to comment on something, the gang mentality starts. So, no thank you. I will avoid the political threads as no one really wants to have discusses. Both sides just want to be right. The people I deal with day to day, in real life? They are not angry and raging. But they also are not pro-Trump at every turn. They realize that both sides are messed up, and what we have been doing isn't working any longer. edited to add: I do have concerns. But I also realize most of what I am worried about will never happen. Just like in life. The best thing I can do is love those around me and speak up to my Congressman when I am against something. But complaining on FB and other sites isn't really going to help anything. SaveSaveI agree with so much of this. I miss the old feeling on this board  I feel that the handful of people that post raging angry posts refuse to see that they are actually pushing people away instead of getting them on board. And I'm tired of people ganging up and beating up on anyone that doesn't agree with them. I live in a liberal state and surprisingly find FB is better than here to discuss politics. And we used to be a pretty tight community so it makes me sad. So many people have left or don't post any more. And many of them were middle of the road thinkers that were willing to see both sides, if they were treated with respect. I seriously think things are settling down a bit now. Take a look at the first 2 pages...not nearly as many political threads as, say, a month ago. A lot more randomness too 😊
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:27:18 GMT
I've completely unplugged. So much so that I'm not on FB anymore either. I am not watching the news and not listening to talk radio, as has been my driving habit for years. I can't do it. I stay off the political threads mostly, and I am feeling a lot less stressed now. If something major happens, I'll hear about it and check it out. But the day to day..nope. Not me anymore. I can't and won't worry about it anymore. I'm done. After all my life a news/political junkie, I'm just done. I'm happier and have found other distractions that are more fulfilling. Head in the sand? Yep, I suppose. But I'm good with that. I did my time, I feel no guilt turning away at this point in my life. My Facebook feed has really mellowed out  I have slowed down my visits here because I'm tired of the 5 - 10 daily political threads  So I've been hanging out there more often. And in my specific groups (dog, cooking, crafts) On my FB feed I do have one or two people from each party (democrat, republican, libertarian) that do post some political stuff. But it's not like it was right after the election and it's not as inflammatory as it used to be  It's been such a nice change and made me not want to avoid it all because of the ugliness. We do have a lot of local political talk on my feed. Many people that are posting on our local news articles are pretty angry about our huge and multiple tax hikes and the wasteful spending. We have a road project that is 3 years behind schedule and half a billion over budget 5-10 political posts a day is not so bad when compared to the day I looked during the period I stopped participating and there were 54 new political posts in one day.
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Post by peano on Apr 7, 2017 2:47:23 GMT
I've got an article that I'll link later when I'm not on my phone. i look forward to it Sorry, Gina, it's been a crazy two days. link
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 7, 2017 3:01:51 GMT
In your day to day life - how affected are you? for me, i'm aware - i watch the news i don't seek out articles or delve real deep into affairs - just the truth - I'm not in a worse mood because of world events - nor am i in a better mood when things 'go the way i think they should' i've noticed - that some of my friends are absolutely bitter and hateful most of the time now - real life people - not necessarily peas there are changes being made that will affect me - and my family - just as they will others but i'm not raging against the machine at every opportunity gina If I'm fair I would say it does have an affect on me emotionally. I've seen a side of humanity that I didn't realize existed, and that has weighed on me. I think it's gone from shock, to anger, to reluctant *life has to go on*.
In light of the news of the past couple of hours, however, I'm pretty anxious, because I have a 20 yo and a 17 yo.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 7, 2017 3:44:18 GMT
Are you worried about conscription ?
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 7, 2017 3:46:26 GMT
They really don't. For the most part I will just have a momentary "That sucks" "Oh, cool" or "How sad" reaction to news. I tend to focus on doing the best I can in my own life and in my own part of the world rather than on what's happening in the bigger picture.
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katybee
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Post by katybee on Apr 7, 2017 4:12:23 GMT
How can anybody watch footage of little kids, having just been doused with a chemical nerve agent, lifeless in their parents arms and NOT be affected?
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scorpeao
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Jun 25, 2014 21:04:54 GMT
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Post by scorpeao on Apr 7, 2017 4:24:43 GMT
My daughter is in the Navy, and I work in the sciences. Current affairs keep me up at night.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 7:00:27 GMT
I've never been as aware of current affairs as I have been in the past year - through the election and now with this presidency. Whether our president was Republican or Democrat, whether I generally approved of their actions or not, I always felt confident that a system was in place that protected me. These days, I don't feel that way. I feel like the president and many of the folks in Washington, are childish and are doing what benefits themselves rather than what is right for the country. And I feel as if my family's fate is in the hands of a lunatic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 7:04:27 GMT
Your post describes me perfectly. I have laid low on Facebook for awhile now because I am just sick of some people spewing crap every single day. The same goes for here...I do come here still, but I rarely even look at political threads because its the same people, beating the same dead horse, every day. And if you try to comment on something, the gang mentality starts. So, no thank you. I will avoid the political threads as no one really wants to have discusses. Both sides just want to be right. The people I deal with day to day, in real life? They are not angry and raging. But they also are not pro-Trump at every turn. They realize that both sides are messed up, and what we have been doing isn't working any longer. edited to add: I do have concerns. But I also realize most of what I am worried about will never happen. Just like in life. The best thing I can do is love those around me and speak up to my Congressman when I am against something. But complaining on FB and other sites isn't really going to help anything. SaveSaveI agree with so much of this. I miss the old feeling on this board  I feel that the handful of people that post raging angry posts refuse to see that they are actually pushing people away instead of getting them on board. And I'm tired of people ganging up and beating up on anyone that doesn't agree with them. I live in a liberal state and surprisingly find FB is better than here to discuss politics. And we used to be a pretty tight community so it makes me sad. So many people have left or don't post any more. And many of them were middle of the road thinkers that were willing to see both sides, if they were treated with respect. Wow your Facebook is very different than mine. There are two distinct camps of posters on mine and both side beat their same old drums -- and they run anyone with a different opinion off the road. I don't discuss politics on FB at all.
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Post by elaine on Apr 9, 2017 0:32:42 GMT
So, are you surprised by these answers? Given that you started this thread just after accusing me of somehow changing my personality on the board since the election (spouting the identical rhetoric of other peas who appear to be trolling)? How do you respond to the fact that many people other than me (as accused by your BBF katelynr439 ), are affected enough by current events that it impacts their daily lives? I know that this was supposed to be a poke at me, given the timing of when you posted it, but how do you think about it now, as many people have made it clear that what is going on is important to them? and, as unsolicited feedback, I would suggest that your attitude on this board has changed much more than mine has recently and you are becoming rather unpleasant.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 9, 2017 0:44:47 GMT
I will watch local news about it and usually Nightly News... and maybe a bit of the Today show. That is about as far as I can take. I can't see the point of watching news report after news report (CNN, FOX, MSN shows).. It just makes people mad and basically I think to a degree they all just spin it the way they want it and why bother. I keep up with it but I don't have any passion for it. And for starters some of it goes over my head. I know enough to know what is happening and that is it. For the most part it doesn't affect my day to day living. (Sure some stuff will affect it somehow, taxes, insurance, military action for my son). So why get all pissy about it and worry about it? I know some people do and that is fine. But I would rather live my life around my family and my friends and worry more about my immediate needs. (That said, I do feel bad for the people of Syria (or whatever crisis is at hand) and support the actions of our government/President has taken)
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 9, 2017 0:49:09 GMT
I am very interested in politics. And since January my attitude veers between fear and disgust. But I do take time outs because life is short.
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Apr 9, 2017 14:38:16 GMT
They affect me quite a bit for various reasons.
As a human being who enjoys clean air and water, the attacks on the EPA affect me. As a teacher, the attacks on public education and the appointment of a completely unqualified donor to the post of Secretary of Education affect me. As a teacher in a low-SES school, the thought that wars may be started that will disproportionately affect my former students affects me. As a teacher in a school that has many immigrant students (some here legally, some not), the push to deport affects me. As a parent of two children with disabilities, cuts to programs that help them affect me. As a parent of two children who have pre-existing conditions, any changes to insurance requirements would affect me. As an educated person who values critical thinking and the scientific method, the attacks on science and truth affect me. As a human being who knows and cares about many who are LGBTQ, the attacks on their rights affect me. As a student of history, the readiness of my fellow Americans to pin the blame for all ills upon minority groups affects me. As a woman, the willingness of the "party of family values" to overlook sexual assault and unsavory behavior affects me. As a voter, the gleeful gerrymandering of voting districts and disenfranchisement of poor, elderly, or minority American voters affects me. As a wife of an immigrant who has an accent, the round-ups of immigrants who may or may not be here legally affect me. As a person who uses the Internet and has a certain expectation of privacy, the ability for ISPs to sell my data to third parties affects me. As an American who values the first amendment (as well as all of the others), the attempts to silence or intimidate those who speak out against the government affects me. As an American, the reluctance of congress to get to the bottom of whether or not the president or his campaign allied with the Russians affects me. As a taxpayer, the fact that my money is being used to line the pockets of the president and his family rather than to benefit the citizens of the country affects me. As an inhabitant of the planet, the willful blindness to global climate change in favor of economic gains affects me. As a person who likes to travel overseas from time to time, the gutting of the state department and the tarnishing of America's image broad affects me.
Yeah, I'm affected quite a bit by current events.
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Apr 9, 2017 14:58:47 GMT
They affect me quite a bit for various reasons. As a human being who enjoys clean air and water, the attacks on the EPA affect me. As a teacher, the attacks on public education and the appointment of a completely unqualified donor to the post of Secretary of Education affect me. As a teacher in a low-SES school, the thought that wars may be started that will disproportionately affect my former students affects me. As a teacher in a school that has many immigrant students (some here legally, some not), the push to deport affects me. As a parent of two children with disabilities, cuts to programs that help them affect me. As a parent of two children who have pre-existing conditions, any changes to insurance requirements would affect me. As an educated person who values critical thinking and the scientific method, the attacks on science and truth affect me. As a human being who knows and cares about many who are LGBTQ, the attacks on their rights affect me. As a student of history, the readiness of my fellow Americans to pin the blame for all ills upon minority groups affects me. As a woman, the willingness of the "party of family values" to overlook sexual assault and unsavory behavior affects me. As a voter, the gleeful gerrymandering of voting districts and disenfranchisement of poor, elderly, or minority American voters affects me. As a wife of an immigrant who has an accent, the round-ups of immigrants who may or may not be here legally affect me. As a person who uses the Internet and has a certain expectation of privacy, the ability for ISPs to sell my data to third parties affects me. As an American who values the first amendment (as well as all of the others), the attempts to silence or intimidate those who speak out against the government affects me. As an American, the reluctance of congress to get to the bottom of whether or not the president or his campaign allied with the Russians affects me. As a taxpayer, the fact that my money is being used to line the pockets of the president and his family rather than to benefit the citizens of the country affects me. As an inhabitant of the planet, the willful blindness to global climate change in favor of economic gains affects me. As a person who likes to travel overseas from time to time, the gutting of the state department and the tarnishing of America's image broad affects me. Yeah, I'm affected quite a bit by current events. Worth repeating. Down the line we are ALL affected! SaveSave
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moodyblue
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Post by moodyblue on Apr 9, 2017 15:20:55 GMT
Almost all of the things that pyccku mentioned are reasons why I am concerned and affected by current events.
More specifically and personally: I have taught for thirty-nine years, with my salary paid by the Federal Title I program, part of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act - the one the Republicans in the House want to eliminate. That would certainly affect me and all the students I work with every day.
As a public school teacher I am very worried about the possible destruction of public education in this country. There are problems to be fixed, but public education is still the universal way to educate every student, something the future success of our country depends upon.
My brother has an autoimmune disease that has made him a kidney dialysis patient, on disability because of it. Changes to Medicare programs could affect him.
My sister gets her health insurance through the ACA Exchange. She has pre-existing vision issues that put her at high risk for blindness.
My husband has just begun treatment for cancer, a kind that is very hard to beat. He is on my health insurance now and I don't feel I can retire until he reaches Medicare eligibility (three more years, and I desperately hope he does reach that age), even though I am actually past the point when I could have retired. And who knows what changes could be in store for Medicare, or the health insurance for retired teachers that I can purchase in my state (reasonable cost for the retired teacher; very expensive to add a spouse), or coverage for pre-existing conditions under any plans? It's very difficult to feel secure in the choices you make, knowing that the rug could be pulled out from under you at any point.
I have friends who are gay, a relative married to an immigrant, students who are immigrants, students who are low income and need social service supports.
Locally, we just elected new mayors in several cities and towns, new aldermen, new community college board members, and new school board members where I live and work. The decisions those people make affect my taxes and my life.
At the state level we have a horrible mess, with a governor and a legislature that cannot work together, no budget for almost two years, and social services and programs being cut because the state is way behind in paying bills. These things affect me, my family and friends, my community, and my students and their families.
I've always been kind of a political junkie and read and watch a great deal of news and commentary. My second major in college was history so I have an interest on that level too.
I think the biggest thing I took away from this recent election cycle was to see just how many people are only concerned with themselves and their lives. I can't ignore the bigger pictures of the environment, the country and world's economic situation in general, foreign relations, etc. The US doesn't exist in a vacuum, and neither does my family. If I only speak up and work for things that affect me personally, I might be looking out for my best interests, but ignoring what's good for the collective "we." And I do think that "we" should all be in this together, that "we" are better and stronger and more prosperous when we work to improve things for everyone.
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ginacivey
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refupea #2 in southeast missouri
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 9, 2017 15:28:55 GMT
I know that this was supposed to be a poke at me, given the timing of when you posted it, but how do you think about it now, as many people have made it clear that what is going on is important to them? this wasn't a poke at you - but it's your attitude that prompted it it was me, trying to better understand, how much and differently it affects other people
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ginacivey
Pearl Clutcher
refupea #2 in southeast missouri
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 9, 2017 15:30:55 GMT
not sure what you mean by this i am not even aware of this person and don't think i've ever interacted with her are you assuming we know each other because we have said the same thing?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 9, 2017 16:41:22 GMT
It was worse for me through mid-February, I've settled back a bit.
I see so much nasty, bitter, awful, shitty people, it's exhausting to feel like I have to react in some way.
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Post by elaine on Apr 9, 2017 19:01:07 GMT
not sure what you mean by this i am not even aware of this person and don't think i've ever interacted with her are you assuming we know each other because we have said the same thing? No, I don't assume you know her, just that you said the same thing right after she said it to me. Which, I found interesting given that I put a number of peas on ignore in the middle of February and haven't been involved in the political back and forth arguing since then. Katelyn, who rarely posts here, pops in to my Climate Change thread to accuse me of letting politics consume me to the point of not enjoying life and you happen to imply the same thing and then start this thread, all within a short period of time. If you, or Katelyn, actually check my post history, the majority of my posts are about non-political things, like Instant Pot recipes and Weight Watchers. I felt that they were fairly bitchy assumptions on Katelyn and your part that issues with my mood are solely because of politics and that, even if my concern about our current political disaster did affect my mood here, that there is something psychologically wrong with that. And even more so to start a thread to poke me about it just after posting about it to me in a thread. So, I am curious, given that many peas expressed that current political issues do affect them on a daily basis (it isn't just me by a long shot), what is your thought about it now?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 9, 2017 20:09:03 GMT
They affect me quite a bit for various reasons. As a human being who enjoys clean air and water, the attacks on the EPA affect me. As a teacher, the attacks on public education and the appointment of a completely unqualified donor to the post of Secretary of Education affect me. As a teacher in a low-SES school, the thought that wars may be started that will disproportionately affect my former students affects me. As a teacher in a school that has many immigrant students (some here legally, some not), the push to deport affects me. As a parent of two children with disabilities, cuts to programs that help them affect me. As a parent of two children who have pre-existing conditions, any changes to insurance requirements would affect me. As an educated person who values critical thinking and the scientific method, the attacks on science and truth affect me. As a human being who knows and cares about many who are LGBTQ, the attacks on their rights affect me. As a student of history, the readiness of my fellow Americans to pin the blame for all ills upon minority groups affects me. As a woman, the willingness of the "party of family values" to overlook sexual assault and unsavory behavior affects me. As a voter, the gleeful gerrymandering of voting districts and disenfranchisement of poor, elderly, or minority American voters affects me. As a wife of an immigrant who has an accent, the round-ups of immigrants who may or may not be here legally affect me. As a person who uses the Internet and has a certain expectation of privacy, the ability for ISPs to sell my data to third parties affects me. As an American who values the first amendment (as well as all of the others), the attempts to silence or intimidate those who speak out against the government affects me. As an American, the reluctance of congress to get to the bottom of whether or not the president or his campaign allied with the Russians affects me. As a taxpayer, the fact that my money is being used to line the pockets of the president and his family rather than to benefit the citizens of the country affects me. As an inhabitant of the planet, the willful blindness to global climate change in favor of economic gains affects me. As a person who likes to travel overseas from time to time, the gutting of the state department and the tarnishing of America's image broad affects me. Yeah, I'm affected quite a bit by current events. Beautiful! ❤👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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marimoose
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Post by marimoose on Apr 9, 2017 22:28:58 GMT
I've completely unplugged. So much so that I'm not on FB anymore either. I am not watching the news and not listening to talk radio, as has been my driving habit for years. I can't do it. I stay off the political threads mostly, and I am feeling a lot less stressed now. If something major happens, I'll hear about it and check it out. But the day to day..nope. Not me anymore. I can't and won't worry about it anymore. I'm done. After all my life a news/political junkie, I'm just done. I'm happier and have found other distractions that are more fulfilling. Head in the sand? Yep, I suppose. But I'm good with that. I did my time, I feel no guilt turning away at this point in my life. Thank you for posting what you did. As I was reading I was thinking I was the only one who unplugged. I am a recoverde news junkie who gave up last June when all the Florida shootings occured. I never watch tv news EVER. I avoid all news outlets and know if I need to know something that is large enough that I will hear about it. This political season was one of my calmest ever. I also DVR any tv I watch so I missed all political ads haha. I frequently refer to myself as having my head in the sand and I too, am perfectly comfortable with that. My friends on our private FB page avoid posting anything newsy out of respect for me. I have the best friends:)! I could have written your post word for word. I have replaced news with music and more music and music trivia and I am happy. When I catch word of events like Syria my entire demeanor changes. Life is too short to live that tense.
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 10, 2017 0:27:05 GMT
I am very involved-more now than ever before. Current affairs effect almost every aspect of my life.
*I am am a public school teacher. * I am a 1st generation immigrant (Mexican) *My son was adopted from S Korea and th anti-immigrant and basically anti anything other than white/Caucasian racism/sentiment that is evident in the world right now is terrifying *My husband is a veteran and works for the department of defense * we live very close to he Chesapeake Bay and swim, fish, and crab in local rivers. I want them to be clean. *In less than three years my son will register for the selective service. I don't have any confidence that this administration (both the president and those who work alongside him) are concerned with long-term consequences of their actions. *My niece is transgender and my sister gay. The idea that the Vice President supports conversion therapy is terrifying. * The defunding of Planned Parenthood is backwards. *i believe in Science and protecting the Earth. Not just for the creatures that are impacted, but selfishly Me because I don't want my water to be like it is in Flint. *I have had a child with a debilitating and eventually terminal illness. We were fortunate that we had an amazing support network and that we had good insurance. I remember speaking with the social worker about families going bankrupt and losing their homes and jobs so that their child could receive care. Kids being discharged while receiving treatments and having to go to homeless shelters with decreased immune systems. * I am a decent human being and care for the rights of others.
I am actively involved with a local group of women that are working on protecting the environment, schools, and human rights. And to be honest when people say they aren't paying attention or current events don't interest them, it boggles my mind.
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