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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 10, 2017 0:56:31 GMT
I am very involved-more now than ever before. Current affairs effect almost every aspect of my life. *I am am a public school teacher. * I am a 1st generation immigrant (Mexican) *My son was adopted from S Korea and th anti-immigrant and basically anti anything other than white/Caucasian racism/sentiment that is evident in the world right now is terrifying *My husband is a veteran and works for the department of defense * we live very close to he Chesapeake Bay and swim, fish, and crab in local rivers. I want them to be clean. *In less than three years my son will register for the selective service. I don't have any confidence that this administration (both the president and those who work alongside him) are concerned with long-term consequences of their actions. *My niece is transgender and my sister gay. The idea that the Vice President supports conversion therapy is terrifying. * The defunding of Planned Parenthood is backwards. *i believe in Science and protecting the Earth. Not just for the creatures that are impacted, but selfishly Me because I don't want my water to be like it is in Flint. *I have had a child with a debilitating and eventually terminal illness. We were fortunate that we had an amazing support network and that we had good insurance. I remember speaking with the social worker about families going bankrupt and losing their homes and jobs so that their child could receive care. Kids being discharged while receiving treatments and having to go to homeless shelters with decreased immune systems. * I am a decent human being and care for the rights of others. I am actively involved with a local group of women that are working on protecting the environment, schools, and human rights. And to be honest when people say they aren't paying attention or current events don't interest them, it boggles my mind. It boggles my mind, too. If you don't think that what is happening won't affect you, then you are kidding yourself. And frankly, if you are too busy to at least pay attention to major events and to vote, then you are not a very good citizen, |
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Post by peace on Apr 10, 2017 1:01:31 GMT
I think this administration had made the fringe folks aware and it's been a call to action. Frankly I think we needed something like this to wake us up. If anyone is complacent and ignoring what is happening, then I don't even know what to say. This has peeled back so many layers of so many things that I cannot and will not go back to complacency. So yeah, it affects me.
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Post by jayfab on Apr 10, 2017 1:12:38 GMT
I think the biggest thing I took away from this recent election cycle was to see just how many people are only concerned with themselves and their lives. I can't ignore the bigger pictures of the environment, the country and world's economic situation in general, foreign relations, etc. The US doesn't exist in a vacuum, and neither does my family. If I only speak up and work for things that affect me personally, I might be looking out for my best interests, but ignoring what's good for the collective "we." And I do think that "we" should all be in this together, that "we" are better and stronger and more prosperous when we work to improve things for everyone.  Perfectly said SaveSave |
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Post by katybee on Apr 10, 2017 5:13:15 GMT
I used to say that if you don't vote, then you can't complain.
Now I say--if you do not let your congress people know how you feel, you cannot complain. They are there to represent their constituents and should, therefore, vote in accordance with the majority if their constituents' views. If congress people do not hear from their constituents, how will they know their wishes? So no matter what your views--EDUCATE YOURSELF, make phone calls, send emails, sign petitions, go to town halls--make your voices heard.
I also very strongly believe that if you're not interested in what's happening--if you don't want to be "bothered" by it, then don't vote. The political process doesn't happen every 4 years--it happens every day. You cannot stick your head in the sand and then come out every few years to vote for someone based on camoaign promises and Facebook memes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 7:31:12 GMT
I am very involved-more now than ever before. Current affairs effect almost every aspect of my life. *I am am a public school teacher. * I am a 1st generation immigrant (Mexican) *My son was adopted from S Korea and th anti-immigrant and basically anti anything other than white/Caucasian racism/sentiment that is evident in the world right now is terrifying *My husband is a veteran and works for the department of defense * we live very close to he Chesapeake Bay and swim, fish, and crab in local rivers. I want them to be clean. *In less than three years my son will register for the selective service. I don't have any confidence that this administration (both the president and those who work alongside him) are concerned with long-term consequences of their actions. *My niece is transgender and my sister gay. The idea that the Vice President supports conversion therapy is terrifying. * The defunding of Planned Parenthood is backwards. *i believe in Science and protecting the Earth. Not just for the creatures that are impacted, but selfishly Me because I don't want my water to be like it is in Flint. *I have had a child with a debilitating and eventually terminal illness. We were fortunate that we had an amazing support network and that we had good insurance. I remember speaking with the social worker about families going bankrupt and losing their homes and jobs so that their child could receive care. Kids being discharged while receiving treatments and having to go to homeless shelters with decreased immune systems. * I am a decent human being and care for the rights of others. I am actively involved with a local group of women that are working on protecting the environment, schools, and human rights. And to be honest when people say they aren't paying attention or current events don't interest them, it boggles my mind. I don't believe the Vice President supports conversion therapy. The problem with the reinterpretation of his actual words, the facts, in a nutshell, taken from an article on the subject: "What Did Pence Really Say?" me>(this is the language that California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom pointed to in order to defend his conclusion) (if I understand correctly the rumor or the reinterpretation of his actual words started with him) “Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.” As you can see, the above statement indicates that Mike Pence once supported diverting funding from organizations that “celebrate and encourage the behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus”; but not from organizations that help people with HIV/AIDS. He supported directing those resources towards institutions “…which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior” not towards “conversion therapy”. However, it is from these two sentences that the mainstream media spun the idea of Pence’s “support for ‘conversion therapy’. Take note that the language above includes “behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus” and “change their sexual behavior”. There is evidence that Pence supported abstinence programs for preventing HIV and teen pregnancy, and I can certainly understand people having a disagreement with this position. However, he never advocated for “conversion therapy”, let alone forcing children into electroshock treatment.
Given how often I’ve read and heard this rumor, I expected to find videos and press releases of Pence explicitly stating his pro-conversion therapy position; instead, there was merely a web archive with some non-specific language." |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 10, 2017 9:09:40 GMT
I am very involved-more now than ever before. Current affairs effect almost every aspect of my life. *I am am a public school teacher. * I am a 1st generation immigrant (Mexican) *My son was adopted from S Korea and th anti-immigrant and basically anti anything other than white/Caucasian racism/sentiment that is evident in the world right now is terrifying *My husband is a veteran and works for the department of defense * we live very close to he Chesapeake Bay and swim, fish, and crab in local rivers. I want them to be clean. *In less than three years my son will register for the selective service. I don't have any confidence that this administration (both the president and those who work alongside him) are concerned with long-term consequences of their actions. *My niece is transgender and my sister gay. The idea that the Vice President supports conversion therapy is terrifying. * The defunding of Planned Parenthood is backwards. *i believe in Science and protecting the Earth. Not just for the creatures that are impacted, but selfishly Me because I don't want my water to be like it is in Flint. *I have had a child with a debilitating and eventually terminal illness. We were fortunate that we had an amazing support network and that we had good insurance. I remember speaking with the social worker about families going bankrupt and losing their homes and jobs so that their child could receive care. Kids being discharged while receiving treatments and having to go to homeless shelters with decreased immune systems. * I am a decent human being and care for the rights of others. I am actively involved with a local group of women that are working on protecting the environment, schools, and human rights. And to be honest when people say they aren't paying attention or current events don't interest them, it boggles my mind. I don't believe the Vice President supports conversion therapy. The problem with the reinterpretation of his actual words, the facts, in a nutshell, taken from an article on the subject: "What Did Pence Really Say?" me>(this is the language that California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom pointed to in order to defend his conclusion) (if I understand correctly the rumor or the reinterpretation of his actual words started with him) “Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.” As you can see, the above statement indicates that Mike Pence once supported diverting funding from organizations that “celebrate and encourage the behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus”; but not from organizations that help people with HIV/AIDS. He supported directing those resources towards institutions “…which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior” not towards “conversion therapy”. However, it is from these two sentences that the mainstream media spun the idea of Pence’s “support for ‘conversion therapy’. Take note that the language above includes “behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus” and “change their sexual behavior”. There is evidence that Pence supported abstinence programs for preventing HIV and teen pregnancy, and I can certainly understand people having a disagreement with this position. However, he never advocated for “conversion therapy”, let alone forcing children into electroshock treatment.
Given how often I’ve read and heard this rumor, I expected to find videos and press releases of Pence explicitly stating his pro-conversion therapy position; instead, there was merely a web archive with some non-specific language." Please name the types of therapies then, that Pence was advocating. "Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." Advocating for those to CHANGE their sexual behavior...what do you think that means?? Given that there are very few and far between "therapies" that fall under changing ones sexual behavior in the context in which Pence has advocated for it's not unreasonable or a stretch. {being} gay is not just about a person's sexual behavior--where they can turn on and off light a light switch...(or by electro shock therapy) That's Pence's biggest strike against him--that he has that mindset. {being} gay just IS. It's no different than how I wake up every day as a {straight} person. Add to the support Pence has given to anti-gay platforms, created laws that allow discrimination to gays, added to the Republican Platform explicitly mentioning marriage only as one man/one woman, and degrades and denounces anything other than that, added to support from the Family Research Council... It can be YOUR OPINION that he is not for it because you cannot find where a reporter has actually been able to attribute the specific words "I support conversion therapy" to him directly, and specifically literally-- HOWEVER, factual evidence of what he has supported and advocated for, created legislation, promoted (and verbally danced around) makes no mistake that he is anti-gay, homophobic and that he DOES INDEED support institutions which provide support for changing ones sexual behavior. (While at the same time advocating to remove funding from institutions that support LBGTQ) It's NOT just a "spin by mainstream media". It IS the actions of Pence that warrant this belief. CONTEXT MATTERS. One cannot just take and separate the literal words (conversion therapy) and decide that he's against it ( because he's never come out and said that either) when context and evidence support the opposite. I work within in a community with a large number of LBGTQ and you would be hard pressed to find someone who does not believe that Pence supports CT, because all his actions support anti-LBGTQ. |
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 10, 2017 13:53:11 GMT
With everything I posted I am not surprised you tried to pick apart my concerns and derail my points by focusing one thing in defense of this administration. So here-I will rewrite it for you, Gia.
The way Mike Pence and many others in the Republican Party have crapped all over the rights of LGBTQ human beings is disgusting to me. In my mind they are rolling back the rights of others that have been gained over the past few years and will make the suicide rates among those impacted rise once again after seeing a drop in those rates after same sex marriage became the law of the land.
I hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 17:15:16 GMT
With everything I posted I am not surprised you tried to pick apart my concerns and derail my points by focusing one thing in defense of this administration. So here-I will rewrite it for you, Gia. The way Mike Pence and many others in the Republican Party have crapped all over the rights of LGBTQ human beings is disgusting to me. In my mind they are rolling back the rights of others that have been gained over the past few years and will make the suicide rates among those impacted rise once again after seeing a drop in those rates after same sex marriage became the law of the land. I hope that helps. I AM sorry. It is not my intent to "pick apart your concerns". You're concerned and I thought shedding some light on one of them that I could would be helpful. Pence never advocated for “conversion therapy”, let alone forcing children into electroshock treatment. Also through his spokesman he says he does not support conversion therapy. Even Politifact says that conclusion "leaves out important details or takes things out of context". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:45:39 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever.
There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me.
One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious.
I don't know how we come back from this.
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Post by Olan on Apr 10, 2017 19:14:35 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. No one thinks it's their own behaviors given back to them? Is xenophobia, racism, sexism and pure fuckery NOT the reason 45 is in office? 45 rode that wave of hate right into the White House. Was it his merit? His effectiveness as a business man? His character as a husband and father? Hell no. You are right about the divide I guess |
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 10, 2017 20:33:30 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. This is very interesting and gives me pause. A good friend is coming to stay with us during spring break, and I know she voted for Trump. We have been friends for years and always talked politics in a jovial manner, and teasing each other about our votes cancelling out. But after this election we haven't spoken about it; it honestly is hard for me to reconcile the friend that I love and how she could vote for someone so odious. There have been many other people I meet and if I find out they voted for Trump I just kind of end getting to know them better. I have talked about it with many other people, including people in my indivisible group. It is something that I am working to overcome because that is not the person I want to be. |
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Post by pyccku on Apr 10, 2017 21:23:32 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. This is very interesting and gives me pause. A good friend is coming to stay with us during spring break, and I know she voted for Trump. We have been friends for years and always talked politics in a jovial manner, and teasing each other about our votes cancelling out. But after this election we haven't spoken about it; it honestly is hard for me to reconcile the friend that I love and how she could vote for someone so odious. There have been many other people I meet and if I find out they voted for Trump I just kind of end getting to know them better. I have talked about it with many other people, including people in my indivisible group. It is something that I am working to overcome because that is not the person I want to be. It's a dilemma, for sure. I think that this particular election makes it difficult because he is such a truly awful person. I see someone who has treated people so poorly throughout his life, a person who is so rude and uninformed (and unwilling to change that), someone who has riled up hatred of minorities and shown not a bit of concern for taxpayer dollars, someone so openly corrupt and dishonest and I can't help thinking that if someone voted for him, they support that. I didn't like GWB. But at least he was a decent human being who just had very different views of where the US needed to go and how to accomplish things. The taint of voting for him didn't "rub off" on the people I knew because there wasn't an awful person that they voted for. I would have no trouble letting GWB babysit my kids. But Trump is a very different story. He's a guy who brags about sexually assaulting women. He's a guy who has been openly racist in the past. He's a guy who I find to be a truly disgusting human being. He's using the US taxpayer as his own personal profit center. On the one hand, I don't want to be the type of person who judges people based on their politics. But on the other hand, 'birds of a feather flock together' and 'you're known by the company you keep.' Maybe you aren't a horrible person. But you voted for a guy who was, which means you are willing to overlook his behavior for...what, exactly? Because he wasn't Hillary? How bad does a person have to be before "they're not Hillary" is no longer the bar? Does Hitler still get your vote because he's "not Hillary"? Stalin? Pol Pot? And do I want to be associated with people who think that this behavior is acceptable? Not really. Looking at the angry people at the rallies with the "f*ck your feelings" and "Trump that b!tch" shirts, I don't want to have anything at all to do with his supporters. I'm not going to go out of my way to make your lives miserable, but I'm given that I have a limited amount of time to socialize, I will not be spending it with that sort of person either. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 10, 2017 22:28:04 GMT
This is very interesting and gives me pause. A good friend is coming to stay with us during spring break, and I know she voted for Trump. We have been friends for years and always talked politics in a jovial manner, and teasing each other about our votes cancelling out. But after this election we haven't spoken about it; it honestly is hard for me to reconcile the friend that I love and how she could vote for someone so odious. There have been many other people I meet and if I find out they voted for Trump I just kind of end getting to know them better. I have talked about it with many other people, including people in my indivisible group. It is something that I am working to overcome because that is not the person I want to be. It's a dilemma, for sure. I think that this particular election makes it difficult because he is such a truly awful person. I see someone who has treated people so poorly throughout his life, a person who is so rude and uninformed (and unwilling to change that), someone who has riled up hatred of minorities and shown not a bit of concern for taxpayer dollars, someone so openly corrupt and dishonest and I can't help thinking that if someone voted for him, they support that. I didn't like GWB. But at least he was a decent human being who just had very different views of where the US needed to go and how to accomplish things. The taint of voting for him didn't "rub off" on the people I knew because there wasn't an awful person that they voted for. I would have no trouble letting GWB babysit my kids. But Trump is a very different story. He's a guy who brags about sexually assaulting women. He's a guy who has been openly racist in the past. He's a guy who I find to be a truly disgusting human being. He's using the US taxpayer as his own personal profit center. On the one hand, I don't want to be the type of person who judges people based on their politics. But on the other hand, 'birds of a feather flock together' and 'you're known by the company you keep.' Maybe you aren't a horrible person. But you voted for a guy who was, which means you are willing to overlook his behavior for...what, exactly? Because he wasn't Hillary? How bad does a person have to be before "they're not Hillary" is no longer the bar? Does Hitler still get your vote because he's "not Hillary"? Stalin? Pol Pot? And do I want to be associated with people who think that this behavior is acceptable? Not really. Looking at the angry people at the rallies with the "f*ck your feelings" and "Trump that b!tch" shirts, I don't want to have anything at all to do with his supporters. I'm not going to go out of my way to make your lives miserable, but I'm given that I have a limited amount of time to socialize, I will not be spending it with that sort of person either. as usual perfectly stated! |
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Post by elaine on Apr 10, 2017 23:16:36 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. Huh. And I've had quite a bit of hate directed my way here, due to my politics too. The hate is real and all that happens is encouragement and more threads started aimed at me. Including this very thread. All because I hate what Trump has done to our country and am vocal about it. I wish that concerned you as much as what happens to Trump supporters. |
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 10, 2017 23:38:44 GMT
And I've had quite a bit of hate directed my way here, due to my politics too. The hate is real and all that happens is encouragement and more threads started aimed at me. Including this very thread. You think i hate you? that's a stretch Elaine i have no reason to dislike you you don't even know my political affiliation or any of my beliefs for all you know - i might agree with you and you keep insisting i posted this directly at you - i've already stated that your change in posting behavior might have prompted it...but it wasn't all about you gina |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 23:48:37 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. Huh. And I've had quite a bit of hate directed my way here, due to my politics too. The hate is real and all that happens is encouragement and more threads started aimed at me. Including this very thread.All because I hate what Trump has done to our country and am vocal about it. I wish that concerned you as much as what happens to Trump supporters. (Bold is mine). I had no clue what you were talking about, so I went back and read the entire thread (which I didn't originally do). I have no idea what your conflicts and history are with ginacivey. I have no idea about or involvement with any threads that are directed towards you. I simply opened a thread and responded. If people are directing hatred towards you, it's wrong. If you've been called a racist, a xenophobe, or any other name, it's wrong. However, it's also wrong to assume I don't have concern for what happens to others, no matter who you (they) voted for, or what party you (they) belong to. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 10, 2017 23:50:14 GMT
It all scares the crap out of me. For people in the US, mostly, but also for the world. I still can't believe Americans could elect such an evil monster It's not just trump. trump is what trump is and anyone who was paying attention knew he would be a disaster. What I don't understand is how anyone could think the Republicans would work for the good of the citizens. They never have and never will. They are screwing us as high, as hard and as fast as they can and yet voters vote for these clowns and then make excuses for them. Our Republican representatives are the truly evil ones. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 10, 2017 23:57:23 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. No one thinks it's their own behaviors given back to them? Is xenophobia, racism, sexism and pure fuckery NOT the reason 45 is in office? 45 rode that wave of hate right into the White House. Was it his merit? His effectiveness as a business man? His character as a husband and father? Hell no. You are right about the divide I guess This. Exactly this. Olan just said it before me. Obama took that shit with class. Until people on the right are ashamed of the way he was treated this divide will never end. |
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Post by elaine on Apr 11, 2017 0:04:27 GMT
Huh. And I've had quite a bit of hate directed my way here, due to my politics too. The hate is real and all that happens is encouragement and more threads started aimed at me. Including this very thread.All because I hate what Trump has done to our country and am vocal about it. I wish that concerned you as much as what happens to Trump supporters. (Bold is mine). I had no clue what you were talking about, so I went back and read the entire thread (which I didn't originally do). I have no idea what your conflicts and history are with ginacivey. I have no idea about or involvement with any threads that are directed towards you. I simply opened a thread and responded. If people are directing hatred towards you, it's wrong. If you've been called a racist, a xenophobe, or any other name, it's wrong. However, it's also wrong to assume I don't have concern for what happens to others, no matter who you (they) voted for, or what party you (they) belong to. Well, what am I to assume when you respond to a thread? That is directed at me? Simply because it is inconvenient to you that people assumed that you actually read a thread that you responded to, why is their response less valid than your boo-hoo about people being mean to Trump Supporters? If you want people to be upset by supposed unfair attitudes towards Trump supporters, maybe you want to actually read the threads you are responding to and not heap onto an anti-Trump person and thread. Ignorance and not taking the time to read = not a great excuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 0:24:52 GMT
(Bold is mine). I had no clue what you were talking about, so I went back and read the entire thread (which I didn't originally do). I have no idea what your conflicts and history are with ginacivey. I have no idea about or involvement with any threads that are directed towards you. I simply opened a thread and responded. If people are directing hatred towards you, it's wrong. If you've been called a racist, a xenophobe, or any other name, it's wrong. However, it's also wrong to assume I don't have concern for what happens to others, no matter who you (they) voted for, or what party you (they) belong to. Well, what am I to assume when you respond to a thread? That is directed at me? Simply because it is inconvenient to you that people assumed that you actually read a thread that you responded to, why is their response less valid than your boo-hoo about people being mean to Trump Supporters? If you want people to be upset by supposed unfair attitudes towards Trump supporters, maybe you want to actually read the threads you are responding to and not heap onto an anti-Trump person and thread. Ignorance and not taking the time to read = not a great excuse. Have a good evening. |
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Post by elaine on Apr 11, 2017 0:58:30 GMT
Well, what am I to assume when you respond to a thread? That is directed at me? Simply because it is inconvenient to you that people assumed that you actually read a thread that you responded to, why is their response less valid than your boo-hoo about people being mean to Trump Supporters? If you want people to be upset by supposed unfair attitudes towards Trump supporters, maybe you want to actually read the threads you are responding to and not heap onto an anti-Trump person and thread. Ignorance and not taking the time to read = not a great excuse. Have a good evening. Thank you. I will and hope you do the same. |
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Post by jenis40 on Apr 11, 2017 1:30:06 GMT
Not sure about the other motives being ascribed here but I am more "up" on current events now as well. While I always thought I was relatively well informed, I am certainly more so now. One thing Trump's presidency has done is get more people informed. I hope we all carry on with our new-found knowledge and advocacy and create a better government going forward. There's dead wood on both sides of the aisle that needs removed.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 11, 2017 2:03:48 GMT
I was never a news junky, but I usually watched my local and then evening news, with some specialized shows here and there. This election (before and now after) has changed that, and I watch more than ever. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world that concern me. There's a lot of issues within US that concern me. One of my biggest concerns now though has been the divide that's been created in this country since the election. There is a deep disgust and hatred towards people that voted for Trump. True ugly hatred. You see it on the news. You see it here at 2Peas. And it's been directed towards family/acquaintances on now 3 separate occasions--once towards someone that openly supported Trump, and the 2 other times directed towards people that "look" like they voted for Trump. The hate is real, and it's vicious. I don't know how we come back from this. This is very interesting and gives me pause. A good friend is coming to stay with us during spring break, and I know she voted for Trump. We have been friends for years and always talked politics in a jovial manner, and teasing each other about our votes cancelling out. But after this election we haven't spoken about it; it honestly is hard for me to reconcile the friend that I love and how she could vote for someone so odious. There have been many other people I meet and if I find out they voted for Trump I just kind of end getting to know them better. I have talked about it with many other people, including people in my indivisible group. It is something that I am working to overcome because that is not the person I want to be. Me either and yet I find myself doing the same thing. I have to get past it, and I am working on it. |
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Post by Belia on Apr 11, 2017 2:31:44 GMT
"What Did Pence Really Say?" me>(this is the language that California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom pointed to in order to defend his conclusion) (if I understand correctly the rumor or the reinterpretation of his actual words started with him) “Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.”Ew. That's even more disgusting to me. So, basically, he doesn't want to support gay sex. I mean, let's be honest. That's the "type of behavior" that leads to HIV that he's talking about, right? I mean, he's not shutting down the poster shop that's making "Yay for Blood Transfusions!" signs, right? Let's cut the crap. Pence does NOT want to support sex between gay men. Pence wants to HELP gay men who choose not to have sex anymore. So, basically, sex is only ok for straight people, not for gay people. That is utter crap. Believe it or not, it is possible.... wonderful, even... for gay people to have a happy, healthy sex life. Gay folks should have the same rights as straight people to enjoy full sexual lives. I have no idea where he stands on conversion therapy, but after reading the above quote I sure as shit know that he believes LGBTQ folks should have one vital part of their personhood shut down. That is gross. |
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Post by PLurker on Apr 11, 2017 2:47:40 GMT
How much do current affairs affect you?
More so than ever.
I was (and still am for the most part) optimistic. Trump is a whole new ballgame. Even before he ran, I read a lot about him and my opinion went from as-seen-on-TV ego-driven goofball to a hurtful, self-centered, careless, win-at-all-costs business man that started out with more money than most and was willing to screw and hurt anyone to get more, more, more. All that before his political aspirations.
Then he couldn't help himself from running, even though I don't think he really wanted the job in the end, just the win. Because of what I knew of him, I didn't think he had a chance. I "forgot" not everyone had or would read all that I had on him. His sound bites were heard but not his whole story. He won.
Now he is still the above mentioned questionable businessman but now he is in politics at the highest level, with no experience at all but still with the same attributes of his former self. Now it's not just his businesses he will bankrupt if he makes the wrong move(s). He gets to effect us all-in good or bad ways. Many of those choices are his and I don't trust him.
The only upside to him, in my mind, is if we make it through this intact we are "woke"- as the kids say. This was my DD first election and I don't think she will EVER not pay REAL attention to an election in her lifetime. I can't say it was that way for me. I've always voted but never have felt that way- until now. I was never AFRAID of the other guy running. It's kind of a shame that we took our elections for granted that way until now. Wish we were "woke" enough to have paid real attention sooner.
I've made sure to tell them that they (younger voters) got to grow up fast, politically speaking. This was not the norm before. Never before has a US presidential election had such a huge effect on people here- and worldwide. That in and of itself says something, to me.
So, long answer short, I go about my daily business as usual but with a new awareness and ready and willing to add things to my agenda to stand up for what's right and for those that can't stand up for themselves.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Apr 11, 2017 5:25:06 GMT
"What Did Pence Really Say?" me>(this is the language that California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom pointed to in order to defend his conclusion) (if I understand correctly the rumor or the reinterpretation of his actual words started with him) “Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.”Ew. That's even more disgusting to me. So, basically, he doesn't want to support gay sex. I mean, let's be honest. That's the "type of behavior" that leads to HIV that he's talking about, right? I mean, he's not shutting down the poster shop that's making "Yay for Blood Transfusions!" signs, right? Let's cut the crap. Pence does NOT want to support sex between gay men. Pence wants to HELP gay men who choose not to have sex anymore. So, basically, sex is only ok for straight people, not for gay people. That is utter crap. Believe it or not, it is possible.... wonderful, even... for gay people to have a happy, healthy sex life. Gay folks should have the same rights as straight people to enjoy full sexual lives. I have no idea where he stands on conversion therapy, but after reading the above quote I sure as shit know that he believes LGBTQ folks should have one vital part of their personhood shut down. That is gross. I am against rolling back any gains granted to the LGBTQI community. I am horrified at the very idea of conversion therapy but I cannot let this go unchallenged. This is is an old and unhelpful stereotype. Risky sexual behaviour is unsafe sex of whatever form between any partners of any orientation. Risky drug related behaviour and such also plays a part. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 18:47:35 GMT
Ew. That's even more disgusting to me. So, basically, he doesn't want to support gay sex. I mean, let's be honest. That's the "type of behavior" that leads to HIV that he's talking about, right? I mean, he's not shutting down the poster shop that's making "Yay for Blood Transfusions!" signs, right? Let's cut the crap. Pence does NOT want to support sex between gay men. Pence wants to HELP gay men who choose not to have sex anymore. So, basically, sex is only ok for straight people, not for gay people. That is utter crap. Believe it or not, it is possible.... wonderful, even... for gay people to have a happy, healthy sex life. Gay folks should have the same rights as straight people to enjoy full sexual lives. I have no idea where he stands on conversion therapy, but after reading the above quote I sure as shit know that he believes LGBTQ folks should have one vital part of their personhood shut down. That is gross. I am against rolling back any gains granted to the LGBTQI community. I am horrified at the very idea of conversion therapy but I cannot let this go unchallenged. This is is an old and unhelpful stereotype. Risky sexual behaviour is unsafe sex of whatever form between any partners of any orientation. Risky drug related behaviour and such also plays a part. Exactly. All of it. |
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