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Post by leslie132 on Apr 13, 2017 2:04:24 GMT
That made me sick to my stomach.
I agree that it had to be edited down because there is no way that Varner came around that quickly, or that they came to the conclusion of him being sincere that fast. I have always thought he was a snake and now I even more so think that way.
The reaction of the other contestants was very cool. They rallied around him and that was great to see! I'm glad they didn't give Varner the traditional send off. He didn't deserve it!
Zeke rocks!!!!!
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Post by leslie132 on Apr 13, 2017 2:06:28 GMT
I hope that this is not discussed after tonight. I would hate to see them spread it to the other tribe. It's nothing that needs to be hidden, but it is Zeke's right to discuss it!!
I'm so peeved for Zeke!
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Post by tanya2 on Apr 13, 2017 2:23:08 GMT
wow that was just awful!! I was very pleased to see how quickly the rest of the tribe rallied around Zeke though
and I'm glad it wasn't even a question that Varner would be going after that
And yay that means Ozzy made the merge!!
ok now I have a question, and its really because I don't know the answer so keep in mind it comes from a place of not knowing - but it says on realitytvworld.com that Zeke was born female. So if one is transitioning wouldn't they still need to take regular hormone replacement medication? Because Zeke has an awful lot of facial & body hair. So does that mean he is still allowed his medications while on survivor? For some reason I would have thought that they wouldn't be provided with that stuff. Although I guess a diabetic player would still be allowed insulin so maybe that kills that theory???
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Post by hollymolly on Apr 13, 2017 2:36:17 GMT
ok now I have a question, and its really because I don't know the answer so keep in mind it comes from a place of not knowing - but it says on realitytvworld.com that Zeke was born female. So if one is transitioning wouldn't they still need to take regular hormone replacement medication? Because Zeke has an awful lot of facial & body hair. So does that mean he is still allowed his medications while on survivor? For some reason I would have thought that they wouldn't be provided with that stuff. Although I guess a diabetic player would still be allowed insulin so maybe that kills that theory??? They are allowed whatever medication they normally take. There was a list somewhere of the things they were provided, like contact solution and their prescription meds. And condoms are available, and have apparently been provided at least twice in past seasons. And yes, it was good to see everyone's immediate reaction. I've always been on the fence about Andrea, but she definitely gained status with me. I also really loved Debbie's response. That felt like the real Debbie, not the crazy character she plays. |
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Post by hop2 on Apr 13, 2017 2:39:49 GMT
That is officially worse than the dead/ dying gramma story which was previously imho the worst underhanded scheme.
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Post by jackie on Apr 13, 2017 2:45:07 GMT
Tribal council. Let's see how much shit Varner can stir up. I bet you couldn't have ever imagined what would happen when you typed that! You got that right. Never margined that. I remember being mildly curious when Varner said there was something about Zeke that others didn't know, but then thought nothing more about it. I just thought he was going to out what Zeke said about the girls and his supposed alliance with Ozzie. And speaking of that alliance, did anyone else think it sounded really stupid when Jeff told the group that Zeke and Ozzie were aligned and that the others were on the bottom. Alliances are about numbers--you can't be on the bottom line f you are aligned and have the majority. At least that's my opinion. |
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Post by worrywart on Apr 13, 2017 2:57:30 GMT
Not sure what the puzzle metamorphosis was supposed to refer to...that was really kind of strange BUT I really watched Ozzy (in particular because he was/is so quiet) and it was obvious from the camera shots that he was disturbed and affected by what Varner said. That, and the other players reaction tell me that it was not planned, unless they were all 'played' which could be a huge black eye for survivor if that was true.
Felt and feel bad for Zeke..that was crap on Varner's part, really shocking. I don't think it will keep Zeke from being voted out in the future though!
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Post by gale w on Apr 13, 2017 2:58:38 GMT
There was an article posted this afternoon about the outing. I heard about it awhile back though. I also heard that Varner called Zeke a "lesbian with a mustache" in an interview so maybe he wasn't as regretful as he let on.
ETA : just read that was in a pre-game interview.
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Post by katybee on Apr 13, 2017 3:04:17 GMT
There was an article posted this afternoon about the outing. I heard about it awhile back though. I also heard that Varner called Zeke a "lesbian with a mustache" in an interview so maybe he wasn't as regretful as he let on. ETA : just read that was in a pre-game interview. So he kind of outed him before he actually outed him. Varner really is a despicable human being and the tears were all for show… |
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Post by julieb on Apr 13, 2017 3:18:53 GMT
I wonder if on an earlier one on one interview Varner said something about Zeke being transgender, so the producers went with that as the puzzle thinking it may come up at one point?
My heart broke for Zeke.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 13, 2017 3:19:04 GMT
Oh...and how do you ever vote Zeke out now? You vote Zeke out now because he is a strong strategic player and now would have the sympathy of jury members. You don't NOT vote out Zeke because of a personal attack someone made against him. You play the game. Voting out Zeke is good game play. |
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Post by SweetieBugs on Apr 13, 2017 3:26:42 GMT
But did make me think a little of the tribal council where Zeke bullied David. |
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Post by tanya2 on Apr 13, 2017 3:36:38 GMT
I wonder what kind of backlash varner is going to have to deal with in his life now that this has aired
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 13, 2017 3:58:33 GMT
I knew it was coming because of the spoilers and I still couldn't believe it when I saw it. What an evil asshole!
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 13, 2017 4:12:46 GMT
Tribal council. Let's see how much shit Varner can stir up. I haven't even gotten to the bottom of the post... These are words you won't ever forget! |
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Post by zella on Apr 13, 2017 4:43:03 GMT
I've watched every episode of Survivor, most of them within the last year. I've read a lot of interviews and watched a lot of behind the scenes videos.
Just when I thought I couldn't be shocked by this show, tonight happens. Wow!
Survivor is one of the most "pure" reality shows. There is no way that any of what happened tonight was scripted. The challenges are decided upon and set up quite a while in advance. Tribal councils last way longer than you'd think. Apparently 3 hours is about average, and the crazy one from 2 weeks ago was about double that. So yes, there is a lot of editing. But I completely believe that what we saw was what happened. I strongly suspect that the producers wouldn't have shown tonight's tribal without Zach's okay. I think they would have done something else if Zach hadn't been okay with it.
I think it was fantastic that Jeff stepped in and said, "Do we really need to vote?" Kudos to him for doing that. And I'm very glad that the answer was a resounding "no." There are moments where you can see that Jeff is really upset, and that isn't acting. He did know that Zach is transgender, found out AFTER he had met Zach for the first time in casting. Very few people knew, and it was agreed that this information was Zach's to either share or not. I think Zach's demeanor was amazing. I wonder if part of it was shock. Zach has said that he is having a hard time forgiving Varner. It's apparently been 8 months since this happened.
And this is why Survivor remains my favorite show. It is compelling.
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Post by kels99 on Apr 13, 2017 5:24:23 GMT
I was SO impressed with Zeke' s response; very classy!
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Post by imsirius on Apr 13, 2017 11:52:45 GMT
TC is usually three or four hours long. They edit it down to those ten minutes or so. I'm sure it's not scripted.
I'm disgusted at Varner and so very upset for Zeke. OMG...Jeff Probst needs a medal for not going off. What a clustershit that was.
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Post by jackie on Apr 13, 2017 11:53:54 GMT
For those interested in, here is Dalton's recap. He took a very different approach this time. He decided to forego his usual silliness (promising it would be back next week) and instead talked entirely about what happened at TC. it was still four pages long. He did a good job. It's interesting; I had forgotten about the bullying Zeke joined in on at TC in his first season--making fun of David for crying. Someone on this post briefly mentioned it. That incident did color my feelings about Zeke and it still does (even though I kinda forgot it, I still had this general feeling of not liking Zeke as much as I initially did). Still, it's not even remotely on the same level of what Varner did (and I know the pea who brought it up wasn't saying it did). I'm still kind of in shock and disbelief over Varner. I also didn't think what FairPlay did even comes close (I know that was also mentioned). I think FairPlay is a dirty weasel, but like Dalton, the dead grandma story didn't bother me at all. It was kind of dumb and its not the sort of game play I would do, but I felt no outrage about it. None. I save my outrage for peoplele who are deliberately cruel (and to use Sarah's word) malicious to others. Varner's behavior qualifies as that. |
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Post by pjaye on Apr 13, 2017 13:55:36 GMT
Good grief!
You always know something big is about to happen at tribal when they rush through the first two challenges and get to TC when it isn't even half way through the show.
I honestly had no idea until that last confessional when Varner said he know something about Zeke "that no-one else has picked up on" Then I suddenly knew what he was talking about. But damn, he was just being a bitch, he knew Zeke was lying to him about being voted out and he just wanted to lash out in return. No-one bought it up, but Varner wasn't exactly "out and proud" during his first season, so for him to do that kind of makes it worse than for someone else who is truly ignorant of the impact that can have. I believe he was sorry, but once those words are out you can't reel them back in. I don't believe for a second he said that to show Zeke was a good liar, Varner said it himself, he was pissed off that he was going home so he did it to cause a blow up on his way out - trouble is that the only place it really blew up was in his own face. Varner was another one I liked in the past too - my list of ex players I like keeps getting shorter!
I wonder what kind of backlash varner is going to have to deal with in his life now that this has aired The Survivor psychologist had their work cut out for them for the rest of that season! Even though the people voted off pre merge don't stay at the same place with the jury, they are all kept together nearby until the filming is over. I'd imagine the fall out and discussion about this would have been major for the two weeks after it happened. I bet the psychologist never earned their money as much as on this season.
I genuinely believe Survivor is not scripted they tried that in the first two seasons and many of the contestants spoke out about it...and there was the court case...I think after that they realised they didn't need to manipulate it and that it would backfire on them anyway. They wouldn't have even known if Zeke would still be there when this challenge was decided on. It's possible they used that word and thought "maybe this will prompt Zeke to say something" and if he did that's good TV for them, and if he didn't then it was just another challenge. Trouble is I think that word gave Varner that idea to do what he did.
I'd also be willing to bet that they discussed it with Zeke whether or not they would air his outing. The Survivor franchise has had a few suicides, so I doubt they would have shown this if Zeke wasn't OK with it.
With regard to medications - they are able to take all of their usual prescription medication, but they are not allowed to smoke, and they are allowed to have nicotine patches and they have been visible at various times on different people. Zeke getting his hormones wouldn't be a big deal at all.
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Post by lemondrop on Apr 13, 2017 14:13:35 GMT
Thank you for posting Dalton's recap.
I don't think it was staged or scripted. Varner would have been crazy to agree to that - he is having some serious backlash over this.
Kudos to Jeff Probst for managing all of it, although I do think that there still should have been a vote. And kudos to Hali for figuring out the word puzzle! Wow - that was impressive.
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 13, 2017 14:31:28 GMT
I'm in tears for Zeke, my mouth hit the floor. I can't imagine this was planned. I just don't know. Wow. That was the most uncomfortable tribal I've ever sat through. I hated every second of it after Jeff's bomb. All I could think was why in the world they put that on TV. I'm sure they talked to Zeke and he said it was ok. Or maybe I just hope that they did. I wanted it to not have happened, and I wanted the producers to have not shown it. It was awful. we watched and i was in complete shock - my stomach just jolted that was so ...horrible even my husband...and i'll be the first to admit that he isn't the most 'inclusive' person in the world well - i think he just experienced a eureka moment his face - he was just crushed for Zeke he said 'that was the most dickish move he's seen on tv - and that zeke's business is his own' and i swear to Christ - i saw a lightbulb go on over his head he said this morning that he's not sure he wants to watch a show that would do that to a guy gina |
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Post by spitfiregirl on Apr 13, 2017 15:12:06 GMT
im not sure if it was scripted or not, but don't you think that once you go on a TELEVISION show... A reality show that has millions of viewers, and you are in the public eye, that there is a chance your past can come out? Its not right, but its part of the public persona thing that happens when you go on a reality show. I hope eke was somewhat prepared for this, as much as he could be ....
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Post by spitfiregirl on Apr 13, 2017 15:12:56 GMT
and is it a survivor first that they did not even vote???
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Post by kels99 on Apr 13, 2017 15:14:23 GMT
Has there ever been a TC with no secret vote before? That was a little odd, Ben given the circumstances.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 13, 2017 15:21:24 GMT
im not sure if it was scripted or not, but don't you think that once you go on a TELEVISION show... A reality show that has millions of viewers, and you are in the public eye, that there is a chance your past can come out? Its not right, but its part of the public persona thing that happens when you go on a reality show. I hope eke was somewhat prepared for this, as much as he could be .... I disagree. Nobody in 2 seasons knew. Not viewers or contestants. Not even Probst by the look of it. If Zeke applied as a man without revealing it, then he had his reasons. It did NOT give Jeff Varner, the producers or ANYONE the right to reveal it even if they did know. Zeke is the ONLY person to have that choice. Zeke handled it with class and grace. I never suspected he was born female. It had no bearing on his gameplay. |
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Post by papercrafting on Apr 13, 2017 15:26:53 GMT
There have been at least 1 other non vote TCs. I can't recall the circumstances. maybe a person who was determined to leave??
Annette
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 13, 2017 15:37:38 GMT
I do remember a TC that they didn't vote.. like papercrafting said above.. but I know for a fact I remember everyone was in total agreement about whoever it was and that person knew it too.. It was quite a few years ago.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 13, 2017 15:42:47 GMT
I disagree. Nobody in 2 seasons knew. Not viewers or contestants. Not even Probst by the look of it. reality show that has millions of viewers, and you are in the public eye, that there is a chance your past can come out? Its not right, but its part of the public persona thing that happens when you go on a reality show.
I just read some comments from and interview done with Probst & he definitely knew.
Just like on the show, before he was cast Zeke said he just wanted to be a Survivor contestant and not "the first transgender Survivor contestant" which is why he chose not to be public about it right from the start.
However Probst said it was discussed with Zeke that this may come out during the show - and he was OK with it.
I think it's unfortunate how it came out, but Zeke know right from the start that this may happen.
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Post by swimchick1984 on Apr 13, 2017 16:01:32 GMT
Here is a link to a very well-written response by Zeke link |
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