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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 22, 2014 2:35:12 GMT
theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it, locked up or not.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 22, 2014 2:36:42 GMT
These stories all make me sad. Children AND adults having items that they worked hard for taken from them by thieves. And it sounds like the police can't, or won't, put much effort into retrieving the stolen items. Which makes it nice for the thieves - they must count on that fact and know that they can get away with it most of the time.
Our story is my husband's business truck. He had outfitted a large white panel truck with workbenches, tools etc and took his mechanic work to the various shops around the city. One day he parked for a minute, locked the truck. Came back 5 minutes later and it was gone. He called the police and they told him, sorry, nothing we can do. WHAT?? His entire business was just stolen and there is NOTHING you can do? Are you kidding me? Between the truck and the tools, it was easily over $75,000 gone.
What stung the most, is that same night, on the news, they had a feel good story about an older lady that had an old, unused RV in her yard stolen and how the police went out of their way to help her. I think I practically had a stroke yelling at the TV. They can search for an old, unused RV, but they couldn't take 5 minutes to help with a complete loss of my husband's business.
We did end up finding the truck a week later - completely stripped and trashed and dented.
I'm still a bit bitter about the experience.
Your experience just makes me want to cry. My dad had his work truck broken into once and had some tools stolen. I remember how it impacted business. I can't imagine how tough it was for your family to lose everything. I understand your feelings.
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Post by melanell on Aug 22, 2014 3:27:45 GMT
theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it, locked up or not. Exactly. I've seen a few times where they report theft from an unlocked car in the local paper. They don't say "Someone left their car unlocked so someone took their open invitation to pick out some new things for themselves." They call it a "theft", because it is.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 22, 2014 3:55:37 GMT
First of all don't tell me to calm down.Where you wrote etc., etc., you actually said the "PC bleeding hearts". That makes no sense to me (even as sarcasm) and I wanted to know what the hell you meant by that. Politically Correct bleeding hearts, who are you talking about that enables thieves? You know what? How about I don't tell you anything, okay? I don't hang out on this board to argue with anyone or get involved in unnecessary drama. I know what I meant, several others knew what I meant, and I'll make the rash assumption that you're familiar with the types we see in the news all the time who seem to think we should excuse bad behavior (i.e. stealing) to accommodate those people who think they have the right to take whatever they want. If you want to take personal offense at what I said, knock yourself out. I'm a grown woman and I don't have to justify or explain myself to anyone, least of all a stranger on a message board. I don't see any PC bleeding hearts on the news who excuse bad behavior or condone stealing. Actually, I don't know what a PC bleeding heart is. I don't know anyone who would condone stealing. That was my point. You are the one with your panties in a knot because someone dared to ask you to explain what you meant. You are correct though, you certainly do not have to explain yourself to me but if you throw it out there don't be surprised when people ask you to explain your vague innuendo.
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Post by elaine on Aug 22, 2014 4:29:34 GMT
First and most importantly, I am NOT saying stealing is okay, by any stretch of the imagination. But, I did want to bring up that stolen bicycles, car contents, personal property and stolen equipment should all be covered by insurance - homeowners, renters and car insurance (stolen vehicle and car stereos).
Granted, for something like a bike, the cost is usually less than the deductible, unless we are talking about the custom mountain bike mentioned earlier in the thread. But the stolen work truck that was stripped should have been covered, along with the equipment inside.
Once I moved out of the house for college, I always had renters insurance - and was certainly glad when thieves busted out the glass in my front door while I was a class in grad school and emptied my apartment in broad daylight. It was a nuisance, but I got everything replaced, thanks to State Farm. I wouldn't have been able to afford to replace it all if I had to pay for it out of my own bank account.
Insurance, IMO, is a necessity in a society where people feel free to help themselves to your stuff. I don't know what the current rate for renters up insurance is, but I was only paying around $125 a year up until I bought a house.
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Post by jmd74 on Aug 22, 2014 4:39:50 GMT
Thieves suck! A couple months ago someone broke into our detached garage and stole thousands of dollars of my husbands military equipment. And they left the garage door open! We called 911 because without a police report my husband would be responsible for the equipment when it is time to leave Hawaii. When the cops got here they told us that there has been quite a few garage break ins in our neighborhood recently. (The entire sub division has detached garages so they are going in or over the privacy fences and breaking in to the door in the yard and then going out the open garage door. )
It makes me sick to think someone was in there. Our yard is quite small so I'm surprised I didn't hear them.
ETA our gate was locked as was our garage door. The garage door now has a very secure system in place.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 22, 2014 6:57:37 GMT
First of all don't tell me to calm down.Where you wrote etc., etc., you actually said the "PC bleeding hearts". That makes no sense to me (even as sarcasm) and I wanted to know what the hell you meant by that. Politically Correct bleeding hearts, who are you talking about that enables thieves? You know what? How about I don't tell you anything, okay? I don't hang out on this board to argue with anyone or get involved in unnecessary drama. I know what I meant, several others knew what I meant, and I'll make the rash assumption that you're familiar with the types we see in the news all the time who seem to think we should excuse bad behavior (i.e. stealing) to accommodate those people who think they have the right to take whatever they want. If you want to take personal offense at what I said, knock yourself out. I'm a grown woman and I don't have to justify or explain myself to anyone, least of all a stranger on a message board. That's just plain a sucky attitude. You accused liberals (because what the hell else would you mean by "PC bleeding hearts") of fostering the idea that stealing anything that isn't nailed down is A-OK. "Only to the entitled a$$hats of the world and the PC bleeding hearts who enable them."I sure hope you never complain, no matter what kind of assholian, slanderous statements the most miserable representatives of liberalism may make to describe conservatives here. Because they don't have to justify themselves to a stranger on a message board, right?
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 22, 2014 8:56:28 GMT
Thieves suck! A couple months ago someone broke into our detached garage and stole thousands of dollars of my husbands military equipment. And they left the garage door open! We called 911 because without a police report my husband would be responsible for the equipment when it is time to leave Hawaii. When the cops got here they told us that there has been quite a few garage break ins in our neighborhood recently. (The entire sub division has detached garages so they are going in or over the privacy fences and breaking in to the door in the yard and then going out the open garage door. ) It makes me sick to think someone was in there. Our yard is quite small so I'm surprised I didn't hear them. ETA our gate was locked as was our garage door. The garage door now has a very secure system in place. It would be nice if it was possible for the police station to make automated phone calls to alert people to repeated illegal activities happening in their neighborhood. I'd pay extra tax dollars if they could make that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 9:50:05 GMT
It would be nice if it was possible for the police station to make automated phone calls to alert people to repeated illegal activities happening in their neighborhood. I'd pay extra tax dollars if they could make that happen. I think I'd hate having robo calls from the police but my neighborhood is set up with nextdoor.com/ People can send emails to a group about neighborhood activities. Sometimes it is "hey, our garage was broken into" but it is also "teen looking to mow lawns" and recommendations for roofers, fence replacers and that sort of thing. I like that is is extremely local to me.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 22, 2014 11:31:18 GMT
One thing stands out to me on this thread though. Are businesses accountable for things stolen in their parking lots? Walmart managers, librarians etc? People seem to be expecting them to intervene somehow after the fact.
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Post by mallie on Aug 22, 2014 11:34:44 GMT
First and most importantly, I am NOT saying stealing is okay, by any stretch of the imagination. But, I did want to bring up that stolen bicycles, car contents, personal property and stolen equipment should all be covered by insurance - homeowners, renters and car insurance (stolen vehicle and car stereos). Granted, for something like a bike, the cost is usually less than the deductible, unless we are talking about the custom mountain bike mentioned earlier in the thread. But the stolen work truck that was stripped should have been covered, along with the equipment inside. Once I moved out of the house for college, I always had renters insurance - and was certainly glad when thieves busted out the glass in my front door while I was a class in grad school and emptied my apartment in broad daylight. It was a nuisance, but I got everything replaced, thanks to State Farm. I wouldn't have been able to afford to replace it all if I had to pay for it out of my own bank account. Insurance, IMO, is a necessity in a society where people feel free to help themselves to your stuff. I don't know what the current rate for renters up insurance is, but I was only paying around $125 a year up until I bought a house. It would be very foolish to file a claim against your homeowner's insurance policy for a bike. 3 dings against the policy and it's cancelled. So not worth it unless you're talking thousands of dollars. Renter's insurance is entirely different.
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Post by doxielady on Aug 22, 2014 12:01:22 GMT
First and most importantly, I am NOT saying stealing is okay, by any stretch of the imagination. But, I did want to bring up that stolen bicycles, car contents, personal property and stolen equipment should all be covered by insurance - homeowners, renters and car insurance (stolen vehicle and car stereos). Granted, for something like a bike, the cost is usually less than the deductible, unless we are talking about the custom mountain bike mentioned earlier in the thread. But the stolen work truck that was stripped should have been covered, along with the equipment inside. How I wish!
We have always carried insurance for everything - home, car, business, health. To the point of feeling "insurance poor". However, in the case of my husband's business truck - no one would touch it. Since it wasn't a "stationary business" - business insurance didn't cover it. Since it wasn't a residential vehicle - our car insurance didn't want to touch it, etc etc. I guess there was something in the fine print that covered THEM, but not us. I'm a fighter when it comes to things like this - but I was up against a massive company that could point to their legal fine print to get them out of paying. We ended up getting a $500 check from Homeowners' because "we were a good customer and they wanted to help." So, between the loss of equipment, wages, and time - we got basically nothing.
Morale of the story - insurance SHOULD cover you, but it doesn't always work out that way. There are so many stories of people who lost homes in the massive wild fires around here where insurance gave them grief instead of assistance, so I know we aren't alone in feeling this way.
Although we still carry a LOT of insurance, I don't always count on it working out.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Aug 22, 2014 12:05:44 GMT
A couple of days ago, a man in the UK had his entire front lawn stolen. ~Click~. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 22, 2014 12:10:31 GMT
A couple of days ago, a man in the UK had his entire front lawn stolen. ~Click~. You couldn't make it up. You are right - you couldn't make it up!! That's just.....well, I don't know what to call it! I hadn't seen this until now!
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Post by corinne11 on Aug 22, 2014 12:30:14 GMT
A couple of days ago, a man in the UK had his entire front lawn stolen. ~Click~. You couldn't make it up. You are right - you couldn't make it up!! That's just.....well, I don't know what to call it! I hadn't seen this until now! I just saw this on our news this morning! The fact that CCT is becoming more commonplace makes me wonder what on earth these people are thinking! I've had a friend nurture a beautiful bird of paradise plant for months and have it stolen- ripped right out of the ground.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 22, 2014 12:40:09 GMT
You are right - you couldn't make it up!! That's just.....well, I don't know what to call it! I hadn't seen this until now! I just saw this on our news this morning! The fact that CCT is becoming more commonplace makes me wonder what on earth these people are thinking! I've had a friend nurture a beautiful bird of paradise plant for months and have it stolen- ripped right out of the ground. Oh, that is just awful! Your friend must have been really upset about it. There surely somehow must be some monetary value in stealing garden items like these and maybe they are stealing to order, it can't just be done on the spur of the moment?! I'm sure we are all used to the odd small garden items going missing but these are in a different category altogether. It's perhaps as well that CCTV is becoming more commonplace!
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 22, 2014 14:17:24 GMT
I think I'd hate having robo calls from the police but my neighborhood is set up with nextdoor.com/ People can send emails to a group about neighborhood activities. Sometimes it is "hey, our garage was broken into" but it is also "teen looking to mow lawns" and recommendations for roofers, fence replacers and that sort of thing. I like that is is extremely local to me. That' cool, Voltagain, I'll look into that. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by keknj on Aug 22, 2014 14:29:06 GMT
A couple of days ago, a man in the UK had his entire front lawn stolen. ~Click~. You couldn't make it up.
I think those two ladies must be related to the two ladies that were trying to steal the man's beach stuff earlier this summer!
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 22, 2014 14:45:03 GMT
An open garage door is a big target to criminals. Always keep your garage door closed, unless you are right there watching. Criminals act fast. Why do some people have to be such scumbags? I hate thieves. I always keep my garage door closed, but the one and only time it was open because we came home for like 15 minutes and were going right back out again, I received a knock on the door from a police officer. He gave me a warning that the police in my town will actually issue you a ticket if your garage door is left standing open. They do that to help prevent thefts - much like the "puffer laws" here where you get a ticket for letting your car idle in cold weather without you in it.
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Post by sisterbdsq on Aug 22, 2014 16:19:40 GMT
First of all don't tell me to calm down.Where you wrote etc., etc., you actually said the "PC bleeding hearts". That makes no sense to me (even as sarcasm) and I wanted to know what the hell you meant by that. Politically Correct bleeding hearts, who are you talking about that enables thieves? You know what? How about I don't tell you anything, okay? I don't hang out on this board to argue with anyone or get involved in unnecessary drama. I know what I meant, several others knew what I meant, and I'll make the rash assumption that you're familiar with the types we see in the news all the time who seem to think we should excuse bad behavior (i.e. stealing) to accommodate those people who think they have the right to take whatever they want. If you want to take personal offense at what I said, knock yourself out. I'm a grown woman and I don't have to justify or explain myself to anyone, least of all a stranger on a message board. Well that makes everything better.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 22, 2014 18:00:34 GMT
oh! I just noticed this part I missed before: marianne said: If you don't want to get involved in unnecessary drama, don't call people "PC bleeding hearts."Easy peasy.
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Post by melanell on Aug 23, 2014 2:11:11 GMT
A couple of days ago, a man in the UK had his entire front lawn stolen. ~Click~. You couldn't make it up. That is just crazy!
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Post by melanell on Aug 23, 2014 2:13:07 GMT
An open garage door is a big target to criminals. Always keep your garage door closed, unless you are right there watching. Criminals act fast. Why do some people have to be such scumbags? I hate thieves. I always keep my garage door closed, but the one and only time it was open because we came home for like 15 minutes and were going right back out again, I received a knock on the door from a police officer. He gave me a warning that the police in my town will actually issue you a ticket if your garage door is left standing open. They do that to help prevent thefts - much like the "puffer laws" here where you get a ticket for letting your car idle in cold weather without you in it. Interesting!
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Post by cakediva on Aug 23, 2014 2:27:52 GMT
What would you like Wal Mart to do? Replace the bike that your son's friend failed to lock up? Edited to add: I just saw that your friend is trying to get security footage from Wal Mart. Still, I have to ask: what do you expect? That you'll take security footage of a stolen bike to the police and that they'll jump right on it? It would be nice if the police could track down the person who stole this boy's bike, but it would also be nice if the boy's mom would expect her son to take a little bit of accountability here, too. People do suck, which is why you need to take care of your nice things and do your best to avoid having them stolen. Oh she absolutely is making her son accountable. He will be doing chores and earning money to buy himself a new bike. Mom & Dad will not be helping him replace it. As for the footage - we are a pretty small town, and I believe she hopes the footage will at least show the face of the person who took the bike - they may just recognize him/her.
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Post by cakediva on Aug 23, 2014 2:35:49 GMT
One thing stands out to me on this thread though. Are businesses accountable for things stolen in their parking lots? Walmart managers, librarians etc? People seem to be expecting them to intervene somehow after the fact. I don't think they should be held accountable. They are not responsible for the theft. And I'm not expecting Walmart to intervene - just be a tad more co-operative. They have security cameras, how hard is it to produce the video feed for the police to review? And then telling my friend that it isn't considered theft because it wasn't locked up? By that reasoning, I should be able to walk into Walmart and help myself to stuff on the shelves that isn't locked down. Or wander around town and take what I feel like.
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Post by Karenina on Aug 23, 2014 2:40:56 GMT
About 20 years ago, my dad left their garage open to run to the store. They live in a nice, quiet area and theft was not a problem. When he drove back home, he sees a guy pushing my ATV and on the seat were a bunch of my dads power tools (my dad was a finish carpenter before he retired) So my dad pulls over and punches the guy - knocks him out. (yes, you don't want to mess with my dad or his tools) This was before cell phones. So my dad drags the guy back to our house to call the police. The guy comes to and tells the cops "oh. that's my bike and those are my tools! this guy is crazy!" LOL so my dad told the cops "yes, ask him why my driver's license number is engraved on every single thing he has then" So, I'd say, not locking things up is not a good reason to have things stolen in my book. I'm sorry that happened.
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Post by julieb on Aug 23, 2014 3:55:12 GMT
I always wonder what the thief's parents do when their kid comes home with a new bike. Crazy.
We had our patio furniture stolen. We back up to a street, but have trees that block about 80% of the patio. We found the set and two other chairs...in 4 different neighbors' pools!
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Post by imsirius on Aug 23, 2014 13:02:39 GMT
I wonder the very same thing. My BFF's son had his new Ipod stolen right out of his backpack while waiting in line to get his classes at the high school. It was zipped into the front pocket and my friend's son had his backpack on the floor beside his feet. He knew the kid behind him and knew it was him that took it - he had a reputation for stealing things already. My friend went to the school and told them who it was and the school called the kid's mom. She came to the school and denies it even before they question the kid. He pulls it out of his backpack and even though my friend's son had his INITIALS engraved on the back of the iPod, the mom DENIED her kid took it. She claimed that my friend's son must have GIVEN the iPod to her son because that's what he was claiming. It wasn't the first time this boy had taken things from other kids either. It's crazy.
It took my friend all she had not to strangle the woman. Who would believe that a kid would hand over a brand new 300 dollar device and just say "Oh here, have my iPod." It was unbelievable.
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