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Post by PLurker on May 10, 2017 12:10:34 GMT
My husband has a lot of professional dealings with the FBI - both agents and agents-in-charge. He says this guy was extremely well liked among both the rank and file and administrators. People viewed him as someone unusually dedicated to the mission and integrity of the Bureau, in addition to the well-being of employees, and the first director in a long time who wasn't guided by a personal political/career agenda. Our Mr. Trump seems to be talking about an FBI with a very different "spirit." I hope that is true, and that the FBI can continue to treat 45 with all the fairness that he deserves and the truth all comes out.
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Post by hop2 on May 10, 2017 12:12:07 GMT
I didn't think trump could keep his tiny little fingers from tweeting and I was right. "Cryin' Chuck Schumer stated recently, "I do not have confidence in him (James Comey) any longer." Then acts so indignant. #draintheswamp" So very presidential. Every time I read one of his tweets (usually here, I will NOT follow him on Twitter) I want to slowly break each one of his loathsome fingers, one at a time. This tweet makes me just want to smash them all with a sledgehammer. Of all the many, many, MANY things I despise about him, somehow the tweets get under my skin the worst. No president should tweet, IMO, but this one should REALLY not tweet. I was never an Obama fan but I thought he handled tweeting very well. And I read his tweets.
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Post by debmast on May 10, 2017 12:13:36 GMT
I just read that and I can't believe how dumb he was to do that. I've said this before but trump is his own worst enemy. He really is becoming Nixon on steroids. Holy Cow! Nixon on Steroids .... and Coppertone QT!
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Post by PLurker on May 10, 2017 12:14:44 GMT
my other fear is that as the pressure increases I dread what 45 could do to distract us all.
"Wag the Dog," anyone? God help us.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 10, 2017 12:18:10 GMT
I hope that is true, and that the FBI can continue to treat 45 with all the fairness that he deserves and the truth all comes out. Well, he also said that nobody will publicly criticize the firing and if the new director tells them not to investigate something, they won't. So there's that.
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Post by PLurker on May 10, 2017 12:21:54 GMT
after typing that last post out (Wag the Dog) I literally have the feeling that I want my kids near me. DS still lives at home but DD is away at college and it is making me uneasy.
I never felt this way for any other reason than the usual "empty nest/I miss her" reasons. Is 45 making me unnecessarily paranoid or is my fear founded. I guess it doesn't matter, just want it to go away.
I hope sanity prevails.
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Post by PLurker on May 10, 2017 12:22:56 GMT
I hope that is true, and that the FBI can continue to treat 45 with all the fairness that he deserves and the truth all comes out. Well, he also said that nobody will publicly criticize the firing and if the new director tells them not to investigate something, they won't. So there's that. not helping... ETA how about history repeats and "2 reporters" bring him down. The media would be a perfect way to end the insanity.
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Post by missbennet on May 10, 2017 12:29:57 GMT
I heard the bit last night about how grand jury subpoenas had been issued and I wasn't sure it was true, but this morning, it is true. So firing Comey may have come too late for the GOP, because the wheels are already in motion.
All these weeks, I have been hoping/assuming this was happening in the background, and it sounds like it was and it is, and this is progress.
Trump is doing a quite good Nixon impersonation, and we know how that turned out. /hopeful
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Post by imsirius on May 10, 2017 12:40:54 GMT
Dan Rather's post this morning.
Future generations may mark today as one of the truly dark days in American history, a history that may soon take an even more ominous turn.
President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James Comey is a matter that should deeply concern every American, regardless of party, partisan politics or ideological leanings.
The independence of our law enforcement is at the bedrock of our democracy. That independance, already grievously shaken under the brief tenure of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, is now shattered by uncertainty.
The firing of an FBI Director is always a very serious matter in normal times. But these times aren't normal. Far from it. The Bureau is engaged in one of the most important and perilous investigations of this or any other presidency—the investigation of connections between the Trump election campaign and the Russian government.
The questions mount and the shadow grows darker. What were those connections? What did Mr. Trump know about them and when did he know it? How can the President explain the serious allegations against his former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn? And what is President Trump hiding in this regard? It’s imperative that the nation—We The People—get answers to those questions. It will take time, but the process must start now.
A politicized FBI is the last thing we need as we struggle through the maze of lies, concealment and ever-deepening mysteries. The last time a President fired prosecutors who were investigating him was Richard Nixon during the widespread criminal conspiracy known for short as “Watergate.” We all know how that turned out. In real ways, this potential scandal and coverup are much graver. We are talking about the very security of the United States and the sanctity of our republic.
Thomas Paine famously wrote in 1776: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. "
I see this as having the potential for a similar reflection point in our American story. If there is a cover up, if our nation is at the risk that has certainly been more than suggested, it is incumbent upon everyone who claims to love this nation to demand answers.
We need a special prosecutor. We need an independent investigation. There is, obviously, much we don’t know about what has just happened, why it happened and why now. Just as obviously there is much more, so much more that we need know. We need to damn the lies and expose the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 12:53:29 GMT
Trump "enraged". Doesn't that sound comforting!??!?!?! "President Donald Trump weighed firing his FBI director for more than a week. When he finally pulled the trigger Tuesday afternoon, he didn't call James Comey. He sent his longtime private security guard to deliver the termination letter in a manila folder to FBI headquarters. He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia. He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him. He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said. " www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-trump-russia-238192
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Post by PLurker on May 10, 2017 12:59:20 GMT
Trump "enraged". Doesn't that sound comforting!??!?!?!"President Donald Trump weighed firing his FBI director for more than a week. When he finally pulled the trigger Tuesday afternoon, he didn't call James Comey. He sent his longtime private security guard to deliver the termination letter in a manila folder to FBI headquarters. He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia. He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him. He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said. " www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-trump-russia-238192 I "liked" and then took it back cuz I don't like. Wounded/desperate animals do desperate and scary things.
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Post by elaine on May 10, 2017 13:00:18 GMT
Trump "enraged". Doesn't that sound comforting!??!?!?! "President Donald Trump weighed firing his FBI director for more than a week. When he finally pulled the trigger Tuesday afternoon, he didn't call James Comey. He sent his longtime private security guard to deliver the termination letter in a manila folder to FBI headquarters. He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia. He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him. He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said. " www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-trump-russia-238192Which begs the obvious question: If Trump and his campaign are innocent and have had no illegal dealings with Russia, why would Trump want the investigation to "disappear?"
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 13:06:11 GMT
Trump "enraged". Doesn't that sound comforting!??!?!?! "President Donald Trump weighed firing his FBI director for more than a week. When he finally pulled the trigger Tuesday afternoon, he didn't call James Comey. He sent his longtime private security guard to deliver the termination letter in a manila folder to FBI headquarters. He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia. He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him. He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said. " www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-trump-russia-238192Which begs the obvious question: If Trump and his campaign are innocent and have had no illegal dealings with Russia, why would Trump want the investigation to "disappear?" Cue the Trump/Kremlin supporters bleating on about "it's distracting from important work" (like prying health insurance away from people while automating their jobs into oblivion while concentrating even more money with the already obscenely wealthy).
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Post by casii on May 10, 2017 13:11:11 GMT
I'm not as eloquent as many of you here on the thread. My first thoughts jump to "I'm too old to be a Handmaid. I'm too poor to be a commander's wife, I don't want to go to the colonies, but I don't want to be a bitter hag auntie either!"
But my angry, old white man father is telling me to calm down. It's all going to be alright. Idiot.
My Senators and House reps are Democrat, so I know they're already for an independent investigation. We need enough Republicans to grow a backbone and put country over party & personal gain.
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Post by Merge on May 10, 2017 13:11:32 GMT
I've been thinking about this, as I'm sure many of us have. On one hand, I do believe Comey is inept at least in how he chooses to communicate to the public. I do think his choice to resurrect the email scandal shortly before the election depressed turnout for Hillary and possibly cost her the election. And he very obviously got facts wrong when speaking again about the emails yesterday.
But if "misstating"/MSU about Hillary and her emails is suddenly grounds for dismissal, Trump himself should have been dismissed long ago. There is absolutely no way that's why Comey was fired. I think Trump thought he had Comey on his side when Comey appeared to be hurting Hillary, and when it turned out that Comey is just as willing to investigate Trump and baldly state things in public that may embarrass him, Trump decided Comey had to go.
Whatever else Comey may have been, he was at least nonpartisan in his willingness to politically hurt our leaders. I think that actually makes him more trustworthy from the POV of the American people, even though I'm disappointed that his actions cost us a sane and effective leader. One can only hope that the ongoing investigation will bring down the crazy, chaotic one he inadvertently (I think) helped put into office.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 13:14:04 GMT
I've been doing a little reading and searching this morning, mainly because I didn't know anything about Rosenstein and I was a bit puzzled why someone who had been in office for only a couple of weeks would be so quick to make a decision about someone who had been in his job for such a long time. Made more intriguing because the reason given was as such, a historical " mistake" as far as time goes.If there was doubt about Comey's ability why did it take them so long to fire him? Anyhow, everything I have read from a variety of websites held Rosenstein in good favour and a good record of how he was in Maryland. Someone that was bipartisan in his decision making. Have I come to the right conclusion? It made me wonder after that if Rosenstein was appointed to be the fall guy? Someone that Trump and Sessions if it came to that, could blame, ........ " It wasn't me that recommended the firing we were acting on advice" so letting them off the hook kind of thing and to also deflect from the subpoenas that have now been issued. They also can't be accused of a cover up after the shit hits the pan cause it wasn't them. Kinda covering their own backs. Because we all know that Trump won't take the blame for anything. I can't get my head round that someone would fire the person that is investigating the possibility that,the person doing the firing could possibly be involved or by association be involved in the the investigation that was being carried out. If they knew without doubt that they were not involved they would surely welcome a thorough investigation not fire the person that was doing the investigating. The whole thing is crazy
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Post by missbennet on May 10, 2017 13:17:11 GMT
@dottyscrapper , I think Rosenstein is supposed to take the fall because Sessions supposedly recused himself - and he violated the terms of his recusal by getting involved and recommending the termination of Comey. But if I understand correctly, Sessions' letter was included in the termination documents - clear corruption, IMO.
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Post by PLurker on May 10, 2017 13:17:34 GMT
I've been thinking about this, as I'm sure many of us have. On one hand, I do believe Comey is inept at least in how he chooses to communicate to the public. I do think his choice to resurrect the email scandal shortly before the election depressed turnout for Hillary and possibly cost her the election. And he very obviously got facts wrong when speaking again about the emails yesterday. But if "misstating"/MSU about Hillary and her emails is suddenly grounds for dismissal, Trump himself should have been dismissed long ago. There is absolutely no way that's why Comey was fired. I think Trump thought he had Comey on his side when Comey appeared to be hurting Hillary, and when it turned out that Comey is just as willing to investigate Trump and baldly state things in public that may embarrass him, Trump decided Comey had to go. Whatever else Comey may have been, he was at least nonpartisan in his willingness to politically hurt our leaders. I think that actually makes him more trustworthy from the POV of the American people, even though I'm disappointed that his actions cost us a sane and effective leader. One can only hope that the ongoing investigation will bring down the crazy, chaotic one he inadvertently (I think) helped put into office. Trump supported and loved Comey right up until the moment he finally realized Comey is not "on his team".
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Post by peppermintpatty on May 10, 2017 13:20:14 GMT
Has Jared Kushner been mentioned?
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Post by missbennet on May 10, 2017 13:20:14 GMT
If you are reading along and confused about what's happening with the Grand Jury part, here's a really good overview on Twitter from Keith Olberman. This is what happened and what it could mean. Link
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 10, 2017 13:23:54 GMT
I would LOVE it if Comey could be selected by the Senate to head an in independent investigation.
After all, it's obvious that he has no allegiance to any one party as he has pissed off leaders on both sides of the aisle, and he already has a head start on the investigation anyway. Sounds like a wise use of resources to me.
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Post by ro on May 10, 2017 13:41:22 GMT
What a shit show.
If I were American, I think I'd be drinking Maalox by the gallons. It is hard to believe that in 2017, with the media being so pervasive and the history of Wikileaks, that Trump thinks he can get away with this. But so far, he has gotten away with other stuff.
I wonder if the Romans had had cameras 2000 years ago, if this would be similar to what is happening in the US. The systematic destruction of a wonderful nation (empire in the case of the RE) by a mad man.
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Post by flute4peace on May 10, 2017 14:02:53 GMT
My husband has a lot of professional dealings with the FBI - both agents and agents-in-charge. He says this guy was extremely well liked among both the rank and file and administrators. People viewed him as someone unusually dedicated to the mission and integrity of the Bureau, in addition to the well-being of employees, and the first director in a long time who wasn't guided by a personal political/career agenda. Our Mr. Trump seems to be talking about an FBI with a very different "spirit." I hope that is true, and that the FBI can continue to treat 45 with all the fairness that he deserves and the truth all comes out. At the end of the day, this is what's most important. Truth is bipartisan.
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Post by llinin on May 10, 2017 14:26:51 GMT
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Post by pyccku on May 10, 2017 14:36:52 GMT
He has certainly made mistakes in the past - perhaps he didn't realize that his email letter would be leaked by Chaffetz. Perhaps he didn't think that it would affect the election.
If Trump truly believed that he was doing a bad job on the Hillary e-mail thing, he would have fired him before this.
No matter what the reason, the fact that he fired Comey a few hours after CNN learned of the grand jury subpoenas makes it look very, very bad. The optics are just horrible. Maybe Comey is a horrible director, maybe not. But if you don't want it to look like you're firing him because of the Russia thing, you don't fire him on the same day that the subpoena news comes out.
FBI directors generally don't just get fired. There is a reason they serve a 10-year term.
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Post by bc2ca on May 10, 2017 14:37:18 GMT
If you are reading along and confused about what's happening with the Grand Jury part, here's a really good overview on Twitter from Keith Olberman. This is what happened and what it could mean. LinkThanks for sharing. I go out of town for a day and come home to this little development. For those comparing Trump's firing Comey to Nixon, there is one big difference: source: Nixon Library: Trump's Comey Firing is Beyond Nixonian
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 14:52:19 GMT
Same here. He will end up being a white knight. I thought his email handling of Oct was inept, but not corrupt. I never called for his firing and am disgusted by it now. It would be nice if they appointed Comey or Yates or Bharara.
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Post by gillyp on May 10, 2017 14:59:07 GMT
I don't have much knowledge or understanding of the ins and outs of what is happening but I have an overwhelming sense of standing on the coast, gazing out to sea and just waiting for a country I am very fond of to implode.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 10, 2017 15:10:11 GMT
Same here. He will end up being a white knight. I thought his email handling of Oct was inept, but not corrupt. I never called for his firing and am disgusted by it now. It would be nice if they appointed Comey or Yates or Bharara. Hell, appoint all three. I bet together they could get to the bottom of this mess.
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Post by hollymolly on May 10, 2017 15:15:35 GMT
As much as I would love to see Comey or Yates leading the investigation, I don't think it's a good idea. I absolutely believe they would be impartial, and Comey has proven himself to be, but either of them would have the appearance of being partial. They would be assumed to have a political agenda.
Once again, this needs to be carefully and right.
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