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Post by freecharlie on May 30, 2017 2:00:28 GMT
We finally put up our flag holder today on our new house to fly the flag. I really think DH did it so that it was ready for when he wants to fly the W, but the American flag will fly on some of the days posted above. Not because I am unpatriotic (I happen to think I am very patriotic and I love seeing the flags), but because I suck at remembering to put it out.
That said, Memorial Day has become as many of our holidays have, a mix of the original intent/meaning and the commercializing or secularizing (for lack of a better term) of the day.
I can be reflective and have a BBQ.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 2:06:11 GMT
I am going to ask that each and every member here go out right now and show your support for your country and hang the American Flag in front of your place of residence. If you have an apt or condo put one in the window etc. If you don't own one they are cheap enough at many places-Target WalMart Dollar Store/Tree! but please show to everyone that this country is the best and it doesn't make any difference what "party" you belong to since this weekend we belong to the Party of America and we say NO to the interference of other countries and governments-we don't want or need you! It is a beautiful site to drive or walk around and see our flag flying proudly everywhere! Carol You've been a pea since at least 2014 so surely you know we are an international community, right? This weekend is NOT about belonging to the party of America (when we do have that party we can invite Canadians, Mexicans, Venezuelans, Peruvians et al to this party too since they are also in the Americas, right?) THIS weekend is about remembering those who died in service to the US. I have never, and likely will never fly a flag at my home. Keeping up with the flag protocols is more than I have the energy or time to do properly so I don't do it at all... besides, I lived 20 years where ever the the US Army assigned me to live. All three of my kids have served in the military (Army, Marine and National Guard) Two of them have combat experience. I think that speaks louder than a piece of cloth waving on my front lawn. We want and need every ally we can get. We have had international interference with our government since the start of the revolution (France, Spain, Netherlands and Prussia all interfered) Not only that, but WE, the US interfere with the governments of other nations!! Imagine that. How about telling our politicians to stop interfering in the leadership of other countries? Why the need to be the "best"? Is there a competition somewhere? (look up jingoism... you might or might not learn something) I think every citizen of every country should feel they are the best. The global community needs friendships and alliances. Isolation just leads to us being a big version of North Korea. |
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Post by gram2sojo on May 30, 2017 2:23:24 GMT
It was not my intention at anytime to blatantly offend anyone with my post about showing the flag and was a huge mistake on my part to just assume-the meaning really fits here-that everyone was from the US. If it wasn't for our allies in many countries...... well I can't thank you enough for what you have done and the patience you have shown.
I specifically used the word INTERFERENCE-defined as involvement in the activities and concerns of other people when your involvement is not wanted.Something that obstructs.
So yes I will say RUSSIA's involvement.
At no time did it reference ally or allies eg Scotland or Australia as some have mentioned specifically.
I was so upset the day I wrote the post due to the lack of patiotism I was seeing in general I just typed away hoping to light a fire under someone to remember what the day was/is for.
I do not need to be reminded as I lost a grandfather in WWII,uncles in Viet Nam and cousins Gulf in Afghanistan as well as friends family members. We can agree to disagree on how we feel about the flag and that is what is great.
The OP was meant with only good intentions to help get the meaning of Memorial Day back to what the intention was.
Again my deepest apologies to anyone that was offended as that was not my intention at all.
I do know the rules of how the flag should be flown so please do not assume..... as I did.
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Post by prapea on May 30, 2017 2:57:51 GMT
I equate posts like this to the facebook posts that say you are not a great friend/mother/human being if you don't copy/paste some crap.
And every time someone questions my patriotism, it doesn't make want to bring the flag out, it just makes me super angry.
For the record, I am a wimp who cries listening to national anthem. I have no clue how and why it happens but every time i listen to it, I end up with tears.
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Post by freecharlie on May 30, 2017 3:07:21 GMT
It was not my intention at anytime to blatantly offend anyone with my post about showing the flag and was a huge mistake on my part to just assume-the meaning really fits here-that everyone was from the US. If it wasn't for our allies in many countries...... well I can't thank you enough for what you have done and the patience you have shown. I specifically used the word INTERFERENCE-defined as involvement in the activities and concerns of other people when your involvement is not wanted.Something that obstructs. So yes I will say RUSSIA's involvement. At no time did it reference ally or allies eg Scotland or Australia as some have mentioned specifically. I was so upset the day I wrote the post due to the lack of patiotism I was seeing in general I just typed away hoping to light a fire under someone to remember what the day was/is for. I do not need to be reminded as I lost a grandfather in WWII,uncles in Viet Nam and cousins Gulf in Afghanistan as well as friends family members. We can agree to disagree on how we feel about the flag and that is what is great. The OP was meant with only good intentions to help get the meaning of Memorial Day back to what the intention was. Again my deepest apologies to anyone that was offended as that was not my intention at all. I do know the rules of how the flag should be flown so please do not assume..... as I did. I get it. I think I understand where you were originally going with the OP, but the execution was off. I too love seeing the flags fly. I live in a small town and for specific days they line the park and the main street with flags. It makes me swell with pride and good feelings. I love living where I do, country, state, and town. |
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Post by Dani-Mani on May 30, 2017 3:15:56 GMT
This is no better or worse than all the ads for Memorial Day sales. I think if she's going to be taking official roles as part of the US government then I think she should know better than Bob's mattress warehouse. I just choked on my cracker 😂 |
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Post by lucyg on May 30, 2017 3:27:46 GMT
OP, it's good that you came back and clarified. Thank you.
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Post by myboysnme on May 30, 2017 11:35:12 GMT
It was not my intention at anytime to blatantly offend anyone with my post about showing the flag and was a huge mistake on my part to just assume-the meaning really fits here-that everyone was from the US. If it wasn't for our allies in many countries...... well I can't thank you enough for what you have done and the patience you have shown. I specifically used the word INTERFERENCE-defined as involvement in the activities and concerns of other people when your involvement is not wanted.Something that obstructs. So yes I will say RUSSIA's involvement. At no time did it reference ally or allies eg Scotland or Australia as some have mentioned specifically. I was so upset the day I wrote the post due to the lack of patiotism I was seeing in general I just typed away hoping to light a fire under someone to remember what the day was/is for. I do not need to be reminded as I lost a grandfather in WWII,uncles in Viet Nam and cousins Gulf in Afghanistan as well as friends family members. We can agree to disagree on how we feel about the flag and that is what is great. The OP was meant with only good intentions to help get the meaning of Memorial Day back to what the intention was. Again my deepest apologies to anyone that was offended as that was not my intention at all. I do know the rules of how the flag should be flown so please do not assume..... as I did. I understood where you are coming from, as I said in my response. The flag code isn't just about flying the flag and I find people feel particularly patriotic when violating it.
The 'you' I use in my posts generally refer to a broad spectrum 'you' because other than saying 'Y'all' 'You all' or "You 'uns' we don't have a broad based 'You' in English.
Again, it doesn't matter how many people have family members who died in service. Some of the most patriotic people I know are recent immigrants to the US. People who come here knowing 50% of the people here don't want them.
I'm glad you came back to the thread. At least it made for some interesting commentary.
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:06:35 GMT
we say NO to the interference of other countries and governments-we don't want or need you! i have to disagree i've worked inside a coalition of forces during desert storm/operation provide comfort so maybe - you ought to speak for yourself we wanted and needed them then...and now |
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:08:37 GMT
I do know the rules of how the flag should be flown so please do not assume and technically - if you wanted to make a 'flag post' maybe you could have reminded people to fly their flags at half staff til noon - and then raise them til dark (or lit) |
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:22:31 GMT
like the lady (who may be a pea) who posted a pic of her wedding dress train was an American flag that extended from her rear end and dragged on the ground - and I got called out on 2Peas for saying something about it, which to me was incredibly disrespectful but the entire theme was red, white and blue Americana so you can imagine. the difference is - it wasn't actually a flag no different than flag bathing suits or flag scarves flag napkins and flag blankets so what is your actual point and it was a pea - freebirdif you are going to bring it up at least tag her gina |
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Post by myboysnme on May 30, 2017 14:24:18 GMT
the difference is - it wasn't actually a flag no different than flag bathing suits or flag scarves flag napkins and flag blankets so what is your actual point and it was a pea - freebird if you are going to bring it up at least tag her gina I think I'll go delete it. The flag code specifies that the flag is not to be depicted on clothing items. |
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:26:50 GMT
the difference is - it wasn't actually a flag no different than flag bathing suits or flag scarves flag napkins and flag blankets so what is your actual point and it was a pea - freebird if you are going to bring it up at least tag her gina I think I'll go delete it. The flag code specifies that the flag is not to be depicted on clothing items. and yet...it is it's all over the place - old navy makes a new shirt every year and if you've seen her dress - you 'll notice the stars are on the bodice the stripes are on the skirt - it's not even fashioned in the form of the flag it contains the components of the flag - since we are being all technical i'm pretty well versed in flag etiquette myself |
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Post by freebird on May 30, 2017 14:27:38 GMT
Yeah, I don't give a flying (har) fuck if someone liked it or not. I did.
meh.
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:28:09 GMT
I think I'll go delete it. The flag code specifies that the flag is not to be depicted on clothing items. ahhh...no one likes a deleter! that's why they have the quote function |
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Post by myboysnme on May 30, 2017 14:31:56 GMT
I think I'll go delete it. The flag code specifies that the flag is not to be depicted on clothing items. ahhh...no one likes a deleter! that's why they have the quote function What I said was offensive to someone on here so I think it is better to on my part delete inappropriate comments. You can tag and you can tell me no one likes a delete, but I am deleting that portion because it offends someone on the board. Yes it is in quotes but only because you chose to highlight it. A pm to say hey, that was freebird would have been nicer but whatever, I said it, I deleted it.
As for Old Navy and the like, that is the point. The flag code does not allow for the flag to be used on clothing items unless it is a patch on a military uniform. I am not wanting to get in to who knows the flag code more but you are wrong about imprinting the flag on items being ok.
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Post by freebird on May 30, 2017 14:35:55 GMT
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Post by melanell on May 30, 2017 14:36:19 GMT
I think I'll go delete it. The flag code specifies that the flag is not to be depicted on clothing items. and yet...it is it's all over the place - old navy makes a new shirt every year And it's been happening long before that as well. I have several photos of myself as a young child wearing outfits with either the flag on them, or elements of the flag, such as stars on blue or the red & white stripes. My father is a veteran, and we did fly the flag regularly as a child, but he was okay with us wearing depictions of it, too. People break rules and codes of all sorts for all reasons. I personally am not going to complain about someone wearing a flag image out of patriotism or just because the overall feel of the flag makes you happy. Either show positive feelings about the flag, and to me, that's what matters. Save |
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:38:34 GMT
ahhh...no one likes a deleter! that's why they have the quote function What I said was offensive to someone on here so I think it is better to on my part delete inappropriate comments. You can tag and you can tell me no one likes a delete, but I am deleting that portion because it offends someone on the board. Yes it is in quotes but only because you chose to highlight it. A pm to say hey, that was freebird would have been nicer but whatever, I said it, I deleted it.
As for Old Navy and the like, that is the point. The flag code does not allow for the flag to be used on clothing items unless it is a patch on a military uniform. I am not wanting to get in to who knows the flag code more but you are wrong about imprinting the flag on items being ok.
i didn't say it was okay or proper - i said it's done we buy flag napkind, scarves - we crochet flag blankets - every older teacher i know has a flag cardigan for veteran's day toddlers and teens run around in flag bathing suits it is what it is - flag protocol is broken all the time - did you correctly raise then lower your flag to half staff til noon - then fully raise it till dark (or lit) yesterday that's in flag protocol as well gina |
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Post by myboysnme on May 30, 2017 14:45:49 GMT
What I said was offensive to someone on here so I think it is better to on my part delete inappropriate comments. You can tag and you can tell me no one likes a delete, but I am deleting that portion because it offends someone on the board. Yes it is in quotes but only because you chose to highlight it. A pm to say hey, that was freebird would have been nicer but whatever, I said it, I deleted it.
As for Old Navy and the like, that is the point. The flag code does not allow for the flag to be used on clothing items unless it is a patch on a military uniform. I am not wanting to get in to who knows the flag code more but you are wrong about imprinting the flag on items being ok.
i didn't say it was okay or proper - i said it's done we buy flag napkind, scarves - we crochet flag blankets - every older teacher i know has a flag cardigan for veteran's day toddlers and teens run around in flag bathing suits it is what it is - flag protocol is broken all the time - did you correctly raise then lower your flag to half staff til noon - then fully raise it till dark (or lit) yesterday that's in flag protocol as well gina I didn't put up a flag. I have flags but they are all folded. That was my point that it is broken all the time. We are agreeing, from my point of view. I don't buy those things though. That's just my preference. |
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Post by used2scrap on May 30, 2017 14:47:23 GMT
we say NO to the interference of other countries and governments-we don't want or need you! i have to disagree i've worked inside a coalition of forces during desert storm/operation provide comfort so maybe - you ought to speak for yourself we wanted and needed them then...and now To be clear, I didn't say this, I quoted the OP who stated it when I disagreed! |
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 14:50:46 GMT
To be clear, I didn't say this, I quoted the OP who stated it when I disagreed! well shit...i'm sorry i thought i quoted it correctly gina |
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Post by refugeepea on May 30, 2017 14:53:53 GMT
I bought a poppy from the American Legion, but I don't have a flag to fly. I don't know how to attach a flag holder to the brick of my home.
If you do decide to fly the flag there is protocol for how the flag should be handled. That was a huge deal in my home growing up and one of the reasons why I haven't bothered to put one out.
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Post by myboysnme on May 30, 2017 15:02:03 GMT
I bought a poppy from the American Legion, but I don't have a flag to fly. I don't know how to attach a flag holder to the brick of my home. If you do decide to fly the flag there is protocol for how the flag should be handled. That was a huge deal in my home growing up and one of the reasons why I haven't bothered to put one out. Speaking of poppies, I saw recently where someone was arrested and their property seized for growing poppies. That beautiful flower associated with Flanders Field and now it is illegal I guess. I'm sure the poppy grower wasn't growing them for the aesthetic beauty, but the poppy definitely has deep meaning on Memorial Day. |
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2017 15:05:58 GMT
I bought a poppy from the American Legion, but I don't have a flag to fly. I don't know how to attach a flag holder to the brick of my home. If you do decide to fly the flag there is protocol for how the flag should be handled. That was a huge deal in my home growing up and one of the reasons why I haven't bothered to put one out. Speaking of poppies, I saw recently where someone was arrested and their property seized for growing poppies. That beautiful flower associated with Flanders Field and now it is illegal I guess. I'm sure the poppy grower wasn't growing them for the aesthetic beauty, but the poppy definitely has deep meaning on Memorial Day. the opium poppy and the decorative poppy are two different flowers california poppies are all over - california - but no opium from those! |
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Post by refugeepea on May 30, 2017 15:07:11 GMT
Speaking of poppies, I saw recently where someone was arrested and their property seized for growing poppies. That beautiful flower associated with Flanders Field and now it is illegal I guess. I'm sure the poppy grower wasn't growing them for the aesthetic beauty, but the poppy definitely has deep meaning on Memorial Day. I love that poem. Technically, it was one of those flower poppies.  I did get emotional when I bought one. My grandma was in The American Legion. I remember helping to assemble them and participating at the ceremony at the cemetery. |
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Post by myboysnme on May 30, 2017 15:09:56 GMT
Speaking of poppies, I saw recently where someone was arrested and their property seized for growing poppies. That beautiful flower associated with Flanders Field and now it is illegal I guess. I'm sure the poppy grower wasn't growing them for the aesthetic beauty, but the poppy definitely has deep meaning on Memorial Day. the opium poppy and the decorative poppy are two different flowers california poppies are all over - california - but no opium from those! Thanks for clarifying that! That makes sense and I should have taken a minute to look it up. |
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I did get emotional when I bought one. My grandma was in The American Legion. I remember helping to assemble them and participating at the ceremony at the cemetery.