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Post by wellway on Jun 2, 2017 7:03:47 GMT
because world leaders think on a world basis. No man is an island and all that...
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Post by gar on Jun 2, 2017 7:13:36 GMT
because world leaders think on a world basis. No man is an island and all that... Exactly. When climate change affects his supporters crops on an annual basis or their homes and businesses get destroyed in ever increasingly frequent hurricanes etc I hope they won't mind
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2017 7:53:28 GMT
Here's the thing. Since he's pulling out, regardless of how long it takes, he's already cut funding, dismantling the EPA, erased any mention of climate change, gone against the best and brightest scientists speaking on the issue (because you know, he knows best), because he and his buddies in business and congress have been paid to do so by oil, gas, coal. He's not allowing anyone to address it from the WH. He's fucking over the US, NOW.
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Post by gar on Jun 2, 2017 7:54:47 GMT
It's the final straw for one man at least... link
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 8:30:43 GMT
Well I guess the idiot is fine with protecting Pittsburgh at the expense of sacrificing Alaska. Carry on the way you're going Trump and you'll only have 49 states to rule over soon and in your wisdom you'll have destroyed the rest of the planet too   And for those that may not know what climate change is doing to Alaska there are plenty of articles out there to read including this one
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 2, 2017 12:35:55 GMT
Eighty per cent of the citizens of Pittsburgh voted for Hillary Clinton moron. Pittsburgh is also know for completely turning itself around concerning air quality. The city used to literally be covered in ash, dust, etc. from the mills and factories. Now, people can walk around outside and breath. So, he chose to use a city that proves he's wrong. Yet, I'm sure he's patting himself on the back because he used that great alliteration! Yes that. When I was growing up in Pittsburgh we learned how businessmen (no businesswomen in those days) had to bring a clean white shirt to work if they planned an important meeting because the cuffs and around the neck would be dirty from soot just in the time it took them to walk from the streetcar to the office. Even before the mills closed that was no longer true because they made progress in cleaning up the air, emissions standards, etc. Trump is an idiot. And I loved his statement -- which people have already mentioned up-thread -- about how the world will no longer be laughing at us. He is such a narcissist that he doesn't realize the world has been laughing since the election. And he is so thin-skinned that he thinks the world has been laughing over the "bad deal" we got from the Paris accord...? He just projects his own narcissism and insecurities onto everything he does.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 12:57:15 GMT
Breaking News! Trump outlawing online video services to bring back video store jobs!!!
"I represent strip malls in Pittsburgh not streaming companies in Paris" Trump was heard to say.
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Post by Nink on Jun 2, 2017 14:02:02 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 2, 2017 14:16:16 GMT
So, the US can pull out of the Paris Agreement on Nov 4, 2020? Isn't the next presidential election Nov 3, 2020?
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Post by pyccku on Jun 2, 2017 14:24:14 GMT
Yes. But hey, this should make his (ever shrinking) base happy.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 2, 2017 14:26:19 GMT
So, the US can pull out of the Paris Agreement on Nov 4, 2020? Isn't the next presidential election Nov 3, 2020? That would require the democrats in Washington to pull their heads out of their asses as do something. I'm starting to wonder when that will happen. Hilary needs to go the fuck away. The Bernie or bust people need to stop worrying about whether or not the DNC fucked over Bernie. Everyone knows they did. They all need to focus on one thing, ousting Trump. Until they do that nothing is gonna change. At this point I don't have any faith in the American people that they will flip the numerous house and senate seats they need to democrats. I also don't know if there is anyone strong enough to go up against the republicans to win back the White House in 2020.
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Post by Clair on Jun 2, 2017 14:45:47 GMT
At this point I don't have any faith in the American people that they will flip the numerous house and senate seats they need to democrats. I also don't know if there is anyone strong enough to go up against the republicans to win back the White House in 2020. Kamala Harris - jr senator from California. There has been presidential buzz about her since her win. She is the whole package - brains, determination, personality, looks (we all know it's part of the game), etc. i don't agree with her 100% but I agree with much of what she says. My concern is that 2020 is too soon for her.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 2, 2017 14:49:36 GMT
At this point I don't have any faith in the American people that they will flip the numerous house and senate seats they need to democrats. I also don't know if there is anyone strong enough to go up against the republicans to win back the White House in 2020. Kamala Harris - jr senator from California. There has been presidential buzz about her since her win. She is the whole package - brains, determination, personality, looks (we all know it's part of the game), etc. i don't agree with her 100% but I agree with much of what she says. My concern is that 2020 is too soon for her. OMG, way too soon. I want to see some actual accomplishments first. Not a huge fan, but I could be talked into voting for her if she manages to show some actual substance, not just flash.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 2, 2017 14:54:12 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)?
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Post by pinklady on Jun 2, 2017 15:03:49 GMT
At this point I don't have any faith in the American people that they will flip the numerous house and senate seats they need to democrats. I also don't know if there is anyone strong enough to go up against the republicans to win back the White House in 2020. Kamala Harris - jr senator from California. There has been presidential buzz about her since her win. She is the whole package - brains, determination, personality, looks (we all know it's part of the game), etc. i don't agree with her 100% but I agree with much of what she says. My concern is that 2020 is too soon for her. She just got voted into the senate in November so I think it's way to soon for her.
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Post by valleyview on Jun 2, 2017 15:10:50 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? My sarcastic answer is that the Paris Accord is bad for America. 😉 My real answer is that states who dislike EPA regulations or are destroyers of the climate (like my state) do not want to support rules that cause industrial change and job loss. I think that we are being very short-sighted to not invest in the future of our planet. I said way upthread that we are putting our kids' future in jeopardy. Having clean water and fresh air could be listed as inalienable rights, but certainly the purpose of our government is to provide for our common good, and air and water fall into that. Off my soapbox, hope that helps.
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Post by jennyap on Jun 2, 2017 15:17:03 GMT
My favourite bit: "...when climate change makes it all but impossible for farmers to grow cocoa beans and vanilla, we’ll be fine. We’ll move on to other ingredients, like melted glaciers, penguin meat, covfefe, and human despair." I think I'll buy some Ben & Jerry's this weekend!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 15:37:09 GMT
This one tweet explains why his move yesterday was a mistake. Ben Rhodes former Obama adviser... "Trump said he'd stand up to China. Instead he caved to them on currency and opened the door to them asserting greater global leadership." What makes a country like the United States great is their leadership role in the world. It defines them. What trump has done and is doing is removing this country from a global leadership role and handing it to China. He did it when he pulled out of the TPP and he did it by pushing coal ahead of renewable energy and he did it yesterday by pulling this country out of the Paris Accord. A strong leadership roll in the world is good for our economy and good for our security. What trump is doing is putting both in jeopardy and instead of making this country great he is making it a has been. My local paper ran the following editorial after tiny hands made his grand speech yesterday. "The death of US leadership and exceptionalism". The editorial ended with this " Yesterday America was the world's biggest producer of carbon while also being the world's No 1 supplier of leadership and creative diplomacy. Today we're just the former - on a backward course." As to you dragging Hillary into the conversation with some bogus comparison. Let me ask you a question. How exactly does Hillary blaming and not blaming folks for her loss affect you, me, and other Americans personally? We are affected personally by the decision those who voted for trump made. Because that decision put a nut case in the Oval Office and gave the Republicans the means to enact their mean spirited agenda.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 2, 2017 15:46:37 GMT
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Post by lindas on Jun 2, 2017 17:49:03 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Have you read the Paris Accord? It's 20 pages of empty promises, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Nicaragua was smart enough to see that so they didn't sign on. Most of it isn't even legally binding. The worse that will happen is a country will get a slap on the wrist and told they must do better in 5 years. James Hansen, who is considered the 'father of climate change' called the agreement a fraud. I dont hate Obama for trying but I do have a problem with him committing this country to billions of dollars without congressional approval. Unfortunately it had to be written the way it is because otherwise it would have been a treaty and Obama knew it would never get past congress. We spend billlions on foreign aid annually and a good portion of that winds up in some corrupt dictator's pocket. The same is going to happen here. I just wish wish people would stop the hysteria caused by sound bites from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc and do some reasearch on their own. There are many articles available that give a much clearer picture of what this agreement is all about, what it might do and what it won't do to help the environment. It could have been structured better but in it's current form it doesn't do much except appease the general public.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 2, 2017 18:07:19 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Have you read the Paris Accord? It's 20 pages of empty promises, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Nicaragua was smart enough to see that so they didn't sign on. Most of it isn't even legally binding. The worse that will happen is a country will get a slap on the wrist and told they must do better in 5 years. James Hansen, who is considered the 'father of climate change' called the agreement a fraud. I dont hate Obama for trying but I do have a problem with him committing this country to billions of dollars without congressional approval. Unfortunately it had to be written the way it is because otherwise it would have been a treaty and Obama knew it would never get past congress. We spend billlions on foreign aid annually and a good portion of that winds up in some corrupt dictator's pocket. The same is going to happen here. I just wish wish people would stop the hysteria caused by sound bites from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc and do some reasearch on their own. There are many articles available that give a much clearer picture of what this agreement is all about, what it might do and what it won't do to help the environment. It could have been structured better but in it's current form it doesn't do much except appease the general public. if it's mostly empty promises, not legally binding, and not worth the paper it's printed on, then why did he feel the need to say he was pulling out of it?!? Why not stay in the accord, if it's not even legally binding?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 18:26:36 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Have you read the Paris Accord? It's 20 pages of empty promises, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Nicaragua was smart enough to see that so they didn't sign on. Most of it isn't even legally binding. The worse that will happen is a country will get a slap on the wrist and told they must do better in 5 years. James Hansen, who is considered the 'father of climate change' called the agreement a fraud. I dont hate Obama for trying but I do have a problem with him committing this country to billions of dollars without congressional approval. Unfortunately it had to be written the way it is because otherwise it would have been a treaty and Obama knew it would never get past congress. We spend billlions on foreign aid annually and a good portion of that winds up in some corrupt dictator's pocket. The same is going to happen here. I just wish wish people would stop the hysteria caused by sound bites from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc and do some reasearch on their own. There are many articles available that give a much clearer picture of what this agreement is all about, what it might do and what it won't do to help the environment. It could have been structured better but in it's current form it doesn't do much except appease the general public. May I suggest you look at the big picture so you have a better understanding of what trump's decision means. It's not as black and white as you are trying to make it out as.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 18:50:13 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Have you read the Paris Accord? It's 20 pages of empty promises, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Nicaragua was smart enough to see that so they didn't sign on. Most of it isn't even legally binding. The worse that will happen is a country will get a slap on the wrist and told they must do better in 5 years. James Hansen, who is considered the 'father of climate change' called the agreement a fraud. I dont hate Obama for trying but I do have a problem with him committing this country to billions of dollars without congressional approval. Unfortunately it had to be written the way it is because otherwise it would have been a treaty and Obama knew it would never get past congress. We spend billlions on foreign aid annually and a good portion of that winds up in some corrupt dictator's pocket. The same is going to happen here. I just wish wish people would stop the hysteria caused by sound bites from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc and do some reasearch on their own. There are many articles available that give a much clearer picture of what this agreement is all about, what it might do and what it won't do to help the environment. It could have been structured better but in it's current form it doesn't do much except appease the general public. Yes I have read it, have you? The only reason that James Hansen has called it a fraud is that from his thinking it doesn't go far enough to force countries to reduce their emission.......he wants to implement a tax on the countries that don't abide with what was voluntarily agreed to. You seem to have the wrong end of the stick if you think he doesn't agree with what is written in it and what the other 200 countries is trying to achieve over time. The only thing he doesn't agree with is the fact that the agreement was voluntary and in that respect he might have been right with people like Trump in power. Oh and there's no hysteria, we don't all, globally, listen to CNN, Fox etc contrary to what you may think
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Post by uksue on Jun 2, 2017 21:50:01 GMT
How do the huge numbers of American citizens who work in the green sector feel about this, I wonder ?
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Post by peatlejuice on Jun 2, 2017 22:22:40 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Have you read the Paris Accord? It's 20 pages of empty promises, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Nicaragua was smart enough to see that so they didn't sign on. Most of it isn't even legally binding. The worse that will happen is a country will get a slap on the wrist and told they must do better in 5 years. James Hansen, who is considered the 'father of climate change' called the agreement a fraud. I dont hate Obama for trying but I do have a problem with him committing this country to billions of dollars without congressional approval. Unfortunately it had to be written the way it is because otherwise it would have been a treaty and Obama knew it would never get past congress. We spend billlions on foreign aid annually and a good portion of that winds up in some corrupt dictator's pocket. The same is going to happen here. I just wish wish people would stop the hysteria caused by sound bites from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc and do some reasearch on their own. There are many articles available that give a much clearer picture of what this agreement is all about, what it might do and what it won't do to help the environment. It could have been structured better but in it's current form it doesn't do much except appease the general public. Empty promises, legally ambiguous, paper wasting documents - sounds exactly like most of Trump's executive orders. He hasn't shown much respect for the judicial branch of the US government, so I'm more inclined to believe that this is more about the optics of erasing Obama's decisions and appeasing his extremist base than than I am to believe that he was concerned about fairness and being held accountable to international law.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2017 22:33:59 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Oil. Gas. Coal.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 2, 2017 22:55:08 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? My sarcastic answer is that the Paris Accord is bad for America. 😉 My real answer is that states who dislike EPA regulations or are destroyers of the climate (like my state) do not want to support rules that cause industrial change and job loss. I think that we are being very short-sighted to not invest in the future of our planet. I said way upthread that we are putting our kids' future in jeopardy. Having clean water and fresh air could be listed as inalienable rights, but certainly the purpose of our government is to provide for our common good, and air and water fall into that. Off my soapbox, hope that helps. I agree. But clearly we are not the ones who oppose protecting the climate. I guess I understand why big businesses who rely on coal and other businesses that are more likely to ruin the environment might not want regulations (although I also feel that they are being selfish, short sighted, greedy, and ignorant). But people keep saying "the voters" want him to get out of the Paris accord. Why?
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Post by lucyg on Jun 2, 2017 22:58:22 GMT
My sarcastic answer is that the Paris Accord is bad for America. 😉 My real answer is that states who dislike EPA regulations or are destroyers of the climate (like my state) do not want to support rules that cause industrial change and job loss. I think that we are being very short-sighted to not invest in the future of our planet. I said way upthread that we are putting our kids' future in jeopardy. Having clean water and fresh air could be listed as inalienable rights, but certainly the purpose of our government is to provide for our common good, and air and water fall into that. Off my soapbox, hope that helps. I agree. But clearly we are not the ones who oppose protecting the climate. I guess I understand why big businesses who rely on coal and other businesses that are more likely to ruin the environment might not want regulations (although I also feel that they are being selfish, short sighted, greedy, and ignorant). But people keep saying "the voters" want him to get out of the Paris accord. Why? Oh, that one's easy. Because Obama supported it. I really think the worst, most hardcore of his supporters were longtime Obama haters.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 2, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
So, what exactly is it about the Paris accord that Repbulicans don't like (besides their hatred for anything that Obama was part of)? Have you read the Paris Accord? It's 20 pages of empty promises, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. Nicaragua was smart enough to see that so they didn't sign on. Most of it isn't even legally binding. The worse that will happen is a country will get a slap on the wrist and told they must do better in 5 years. James Hansen, who is considered the 'father of climate change' called the agreement a fraud. I dont hate Obama for trying but I do have a problem with him committing this country to billions of dollars without congressional approval. Unfortunately it had to be written the way it is because otherwise it would have been a treaty and Obama knew it would never get past congress. We spend billlions on foreign aid annually and a good portion of that winds up in some corrupt dictator's pocket. The same is going to happen here. I just wish wish people would stop the hysteria caused by sound bites from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc and do some reasearch on their own. There are many articles available that give a much clearer picture of what this agreement is all about, what it might do and what it won't do to help the environment. It could have been structured better but in it's current form it doesn't do much except appease the general public. So what would you like to see instead? Your thoughts on the fact that so many countries agreed to it? The big picture repercussions for the US now?
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