Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 24, 2014 1:47:41 GMT
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Post by melanell on Aug 24, 2014 1:53:17 GMT
That's just awful. And really, she got off at the same exit? That's their excuse? How does a red car with one woman & 4 children even remotely hit your radar when you're looking for a beige or tan car with 4 males in it??
She has every right to be upset and I agree with her that them saying "Oops, sorry" really isn't good enough. Especially with such a crappy excuse.
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Post by melanell on Aug 24, 2014 1:54:59 GMT
I know why it bothers me...it's not right. I would be terrified to be in that position and have no Earthly idea why in the world it was happening to me. It would take everything in my power to keep me from bolting, truth be told. I'd be wondering what in God's name they were going to do next for no reason whatsoever.
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caro
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Post by caro on Aug 24, 2014 2:01:47 GMT
It bothers me because innocent children and the mom were so frightened by cops with guns drawn. One wrong move and someone might get shot. Scary!
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 24, 2014 2:26:11 GMT
Ugh, that's awful.
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Post by elaine on Aug 24, 2014 2:27:57 GMT
Yikes! All kinds of wrong.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 24, 2014 12:40:03 GMT
When my youngest was about four, I got pulled over for speeding. It was in a construction zone, at the bottom of a hill and I was in the process of slowing down but I didn't do it fast enough. It was happened right after Florida changed the rules about speeding in road construction areas and they were heavily enforcing those new rules.
Anyway, this ginormous police man pulled us over. I have a big SUV, and he was looking down on us, so you know he was HUGE. He had on mirrored sunglasses, a stony face and a not all that compassionate demeanor. My son, who was in the back in his car seat was terrified. Where on earth he got the idea that he should be scared, I have no clue, but he started crying immediately. As I rolled down the window to do what the police officer said, my started crying harder begging "please don't take my mommy to jail" (again, where did that come from?? I have had zero interaction with any one in uniform.) He was crying so hard, I wanted to get out of the car to check on him, but the policeman wouldn't let me. He never once tried to do the Officer Friendly thing, and kept frowning at my son-who was all but hysterical.
I didn't get a ticket, but did get a long lecture-with my son crying in background and begging the policeman not to take him or me to jail. It was awful and he still remembers it today.
At least these guys apologized to the kids.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 24, 2014 12:43:55 GMT
Anxious mom, your poor son.
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Post by TankTop on Aug 24, 2014 12:46:00 GMT
I would be seriously mad. I am glad she took this public.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 24, 2014 12:55:17 GMT
I saw it last night on the news and it is horrifying and wrong.
I was also pulled over once after picking up my four year old from preschool. I was at fault, there were two stop signs and I had gone through one. I drove this route so many times and I just wasn't paying attention and was lucky no one got hurt. Thankfully, not a high traffic area.
I got a warning and my son didn't really react at all. But later when my husband walked in the door boy did he get an earful about what mommy did.
The officer was not friendly at all but I have to say I know almost all the officers in my town because I was appointed to a board (volunteer work) and when an officer is on duty in his uniform his demeanor is much different than when he is in his street clothes and you see him at the market. I am not sure why people think they are supposed to be a Officer Friendly.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 24, 2014 13:19:20 GMT
The officer was not friendly at all but I have to say I know almost all the officers in my town because I was appointed to a board (volunteer work) and when an officer is on duty in his uniform his demeanor is much different than when he is in his street clothes and you see him at the market. I am not sure why people think they are supposed to be a Officer Friendly. I don't expect a police officer to be Officer Friendly at all times. But I would expect in the face a obviously distraught child and in a non-threatening and non-emergent situation for an officer to be a bit more ... compassionate toward a crying child who is scared of HIM. A greater lesson would have been to see that the officer was not someone to fear.
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Post by peabay on Aug 24, 2014 13:29:14 GMT
It's a terrible, terrible story. Those poor kids.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 24, 2014 13:36:00 GMT
The officer was not friendly at all but I have to say I know almost all the officers in my town because I was appointed to a board (volunteer work) and when an officer is on duty in his uniform his demeanor is much different than when he is in his street clothes and you see him at the market. I am not sure why people think they are supposed to be a Officer Friendly. I don't expect a police officer to be Officer Friendly at all times. But I would expect in the face a obviously distraught child and in a non-threatening and non-emergent situation for an officer to be a bit more ... compassionate toward a crying child who is scared of HIM. A greater lesson would have been to see that the officer was not someone to fear. I understand your frustration. Let's assume the officer was following protocol and as you said you were in a construction area so you getting out of the vehicle was not following protocol or safe. I think sometimes we think of ourselves as white suburban non threatening moms but the same rules apply to us as well. The police departments in my area do many community outreach events during the year. Funny that one of the first posts in my Facebook page was a community event where a friend of mine took her kids to and they are sitting in police cruiser, wearing gear, silly mugshot photo's.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 24, 2014 13:36:20 GMT
Witnesses get make and colors of cars wrong all the time. The description included 4 people in the car, so I'm sure that's why the cops pulled them over. It seems that the cops recognized their error rather quickly and tried to be reassuring to the children. Scary? Oh hell yes, but I'm not going to come down too hard on the cops on this one because they did apologize and correct the matter quickly.
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Post by melanell on Aug 24, 2014 17:22:41 GMT
The officer was not friendly at all but I have to say I know almost all the officers in my town because I was appointed to a board (volunteer work) and when an officer is on duty in his uniform his demeanor is much different than when he is in his street clothes and you see him at the market. I am not sure why people think they are supposed to be a Officer Friendly. I don't expect a police officer to be Officer Friendly at all times. But I would expect in the face a obviously distraught child and in a non-threatening and non-emergent situation for an officer to be a bit more ... compassionate toward a crying child who is scared of HIM. A greater lesson would have been to see that the officer was not someone to fear. I agree. We had a snafu with our registration with a brand new car. We traded in our old car right at the same time that the registration had been due, and it got completely messed up. The first registration card I received was blank and there was no sticker with it. So we were without the proper sticker for that license plate for awhile while I tried to figure out what was going on. Eventually I had to pay all over again, the sticker finally arrived, and then out of nowhere I received a refund. Anyway, one day at a stop sign, a police car was stopped behind us, and I said to DH "Great, we have no current sticker and an officer is behind us." And he absolutely did stop us. And DS got so nervous. And I didn't know why at first, but later it dawned on me that when we would travel, if we saw an officer pulling someone over we would joke around saying that the person must have been speeding and now they were in "big trouble". DS would laugh and we'd remind him that it was important to follow the rules when you drive. So now all of a sudden we were being pulled over and the poor kid wasn't laughing. But when I turned my head to tell DS that it was okay (DH was trying to explain the mess to the officer.) the officer immediately stuck his head in the back window and said "hey buddy! It's fine. I just need to talk to your Dad about a sticker he needs for his car. It's missing and we need to find it. Everything's okay." And DS noticeably calmed down once he knew that no one was in "big trouble". And we obviously learned from our mistake and were much more careful about joking about that kind of thing.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 24, 2014 17:47:03 GMT
The biggest horror of this is that a 6 year old child knew to raise his hands above his head when he got out of the vehicle. How many white mothers teach their children to do that? What is wrong with our country? This makes me incredibly sad.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 24, 2014 18:01:58 GMT
The biggest horror of this is that a 6 year old child knew to raise his hands above his head when he got out of the vehicle. How many white mothers teach their children to do that? What is wrong with our country? This makes me incredibly sad. I believe he raised his hands above his head because that was what was shouted at them in the vehicle, as well as told to his mother. I don't think it has anything to do with what he had been taught by his mother. As far as race, I do playground duty, know many kids who "play" cops on the playground (which we actively discourage), and they do the hands above their head all the time. I don't think i has squat to do with race. It likely has everything to do with how the media portrays law enforcement. And I'm sorry BeckyTech, if you listened to the video, that caller was VERY clear in her description of the car, the color, the make. Not to mention, the officers clearly lied to the woman in the car. They did not have a complaint matching her vehicle. Not even close.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 24, 2014 18:16:58 GMT
I saw that on the news this morning and it made me physically ill. That car didn't even match the description of the other vehicle, not even close. The cops would have never pulled over a white woman in the same circumstance. Those kids will NEVER really get over that.
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Post by delila on Aug 24, 2014 18:45:10 GMT
As a white woman who raised both a white & black boy the same ages I can tell you that in Texas that racism is truly alive & going strong! This happened not far from me, Forney is a Podunk little town, not at all saying that those officers are racist. I can tell you that my 2 boys experienced racial profiling often in the "white bread" town we live in. My boys would get pulled over driving bc there was 1 white boy, 1 black boy in a nice, new truck & the police wanted it make sure they weren't committing any crimes in it, you know, like burglary. These 2 boys were star football players, one was in the theatre, both had great grades, well liked in the community etc but as far as the police were concerned if there were a white boy & a black boy in the vehicle they had to be up to no good. The boys are now men, 26 & still get treated the same in our community. They both are university graduates with good jobs. Racism is everywhere in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:05:05 GMT
I saw that on the news this morning and it made me physically ill. That car didn't even match the description of the other vehicle, not even close. The cops would have never pulled over a white woman in the same circumstance. Those kids will NEVER really get over that. It was night time and dark. How could they tell if they were black or white?
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Aug 24, 2014 19:17:49 GMT
I saw this story last night and it still pisses me off. I realize law enforcement agencies are probably feeling some extra pressure right now but it is evident there are some police officers that need some further training. Or better yet, get off the force (thinking of the OKC police officer who was just arrested for multiple rapes).
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Post by I-95 on Aug 24, 2014 20:32:52 GMT
DaniMani said:
Really? Do you live in Texas, or any of the Deep South States? The only thing I heard the officers yelling was everybody put your hands out the window where I can see them. He told the mother to keep her hands up, but I don't think that child's reaction...and the question, are we going to jail, come from watching television. When we moved from California to Florida, I was blown away by the way the police behave. They scare me, and I'm white. I would not want to be black around any Southern cop, especially at night. If you're a black mom in the South you'd be smart to tell you kids how to act if a cop stops you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:35:31 GMT
It bothers you because it could have happened to you or anybody. It bothers you because we all really want to believe that we can respect the police and that they are the "good guys". It bothers you because some wrongs can't be undone by saying, ooops. It bothers you because that mom could have been killed in front of her children, or that 6yr old could have left the car with or without his hands in the air and been killed. It bothers you because it was a stupid thing to do, and when you are in a position of authority and able to use deadly force, you need to be careful and intelligent enough to not do stupid things.
For the poster who said it was dark, how could anyone know if the occupants were black or white? Seriously? I drive at night all the time and I can tell if other cars have black or white occupants. I can also tell small children from adults.
Yes seriously. It was a serious question. I'm thinking about when I drive on the highway at night (which they were because they mentioned an exit) and when I'm behind a car in the dark (which the police were) I can not tell what color people are. Maybe you can when you are driving beside them, but if you're behind them you might be able to tell some are kids based on the height, but color? Maybe it's because I'm not ever looking for it or thinking about it. I would love to hear what the cops had to say about it after.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:37:29 GMT
;)And with that I've been deemed Nice as Pi.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 24, 2014 20:47:26 GMT
I-95, I am black. Family roots in the former confederate capital, where they still fly that flag proud. Spent 15 years in the south and currently living in central FL.
So yes, my views are ay different than yours. Because as a black woman who has seen her own father pulled over and the subject of scrutiny, it isn't always so black and white.
Putting your hands over your head is something kids have no doubt seen on TV many times. It just is. You simply cannot say that because this child is black, that is ingrained or taught to him. Life just isn't that black and white, at least not to all black people. I promise you there are white children who would've done the same. You don't have to believe me but I still promise you.
Hope that answers your question.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 24, 2014 20:52:53 GMT
I believe he raised his hands above his head because that was what was shouted at them in the vehicle, as well as told to his mother. I don't think it has anything to do with what he had been taught by his mother. As far as race, I do playground duty, know many kids who "play" cops on the playground (which we actively discourage), and they do the hands above their head all the time. I don't think i has squat to do with race. It likely has everything to do with how the media portrays law enforcement. And I'm sorry BeckyTech, if you listened to the video, that caller was VERY clear in her description of the car, the color, the make. Not to mention, the officers clearly lied to the woman in the car. They did not have a complaint matching her vehicle. Not even close. I did listen to the video. I'm just saying that what people report and the actual vehicle don't always match. Sometimes it's not even close. Ever watch the TV show COPS or read reports of crimes in your local news? It happens all the time. Colors, vehicle types, it can be pretty crazy when you find out what the actual vehicle was. Look at the data from the Innocence Project, "Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide." It happens with cars as well. I agree with you about the kid raising his hands: probably learned from watching TV. Again, I'm not trying to downplay what a traumatic experience that had to have been. I'm just glad they corrected it quickly.
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