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Post by mom on Jun 7, 2017 19:39:38 GMT
I would be ok with it if Amazon was limiting it to food and basic necessities (include health items).
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Post by Clair on Jun 7, 2017 19:39:41 GMT
sorry - didn't mean to start an argument.
We all all look at this from different perspectives. We all get discounts/breaks/etc that others may or may not get. I just don't see how a $5 a month discount is worth getting upset about.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 7, 2017 19:41:17 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not sure. I can see why they did it (to get more money in their pockets and compete with walmart), but I don't really care for the idea. I worry that it will encourage people to buy stuff they really can't afford to buy. Look at how much the peas spend on random crap on Amazon.....we do it because it's easy and just a click away. Sure, most of us can afford to buy it and stay within some sort of limit but how much of what we buy is necessary? Probably very little, but it's easy so we do it. If we had to actually go to the store would we spend just as much? Doubtful, imo.
Now, I don't feel the same about student discounts, senior discounts, military discounts, etc. Those things are not income based and are available to those who have put in their time for society (or in the case of students, it's giving them a leg up in advance).
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Jun 7, 2017 19:43:08 GMT
I don't like the idea that those on Gov't assistance should get breaks on everything,In my opinion it adds to the trap of "why would I want to work if I'm going to have to pay for it" I would be ok with it if they could use prime for only things that the assistance helps with, for example, if you can buy it with Food stamps, then you can use prime to have it delivered free, but, not for extravagant splurges. But I guess who am I ( or Amazon) to say what's an extravagance and what's a necessity.
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Post by not2peased on Jun 7, 2017 19:51:46 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not sure. I can see why they did it (to get more money in their pockets and compete with walmart), but I don't really care for the idea. I worry that it will encourage people to buy stuff they really can't afford to buy. Look at how much the peas spend on random crap on Amazon.....we do it because it's easy and just a click away. Sure, most of us can afford to buy it and stay within some sort of limit but how much of what we buy is necessary? Probably very little, but it's easy so we do it. If we had to actually go to the store would we spend just as much? Doubtful, imo. Now, I don't feel the same about student discounts, senior discounts, military discounts, etc. Those things are not income based and are available to those who have put in their time for society (or in the case of students, it's giving them a leg up in advance). I actually dislike this attitude more than I do the ones who are boo hooing over a discount they aren't getting. poor people get to make shitty choices, just like everyone else does. They aren't any different than anyone else-they just have less money, and rarely get the breaks many of us get. A paternalistic approach to curtailing their ability to buy what they want is really upsetting
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 7, 2017 19:56:33 GMT
I thought that is what I heard this morning. I don't really like it. I work hard for my money, if they want to lower the cost, they should lower it for everyone. Just because I am able to work and make a decent living (we can pay our bills without much left over) I have to pay extra. I'm a little tired of that reasoning. Do you feel that way about my student discount? I believe that the student discount is to hook you early and make you believe you need to keep it even after the discount is over...at least that is what happened to me.
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Post by anniefb on Jun 7, 2017 19:56:57 GMT
I don't have an issue with it and it won't stop me renewing my membership- I feel like I get my money's worth and am not going to begrudge someone on a low income a small discount. Same goes for companies that offer other reductions like student, teacher and senior discounts.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 7, 2017 20:03:43 GMT
It isn't going to stop me from renewing my Prime unless my rates go up again. I will be irritated if my rates go up to subsidize this.
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Post by mom on Jun 7, 2017 20:07:26 GMT
It isn't going to stop me from renewing my Prime unless my rates go up again. I will be irritated if my rates go up to subsidize this. I would almost bet the normal rates will go up. And that is what will force me to drop it. Let's face it. Amazon isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart. They are doing it to increase their bottomline. The difference will have to be made up elsewhere. SaveSave
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2017 20:08:36 GMT
Comments like this are so short sighted and irritating... What about "discounts" you get that others don't - I'm sure your not complaining when your child gets aide or grants for college or that you get to take tax deductions that others don't or that people pay extra taxes on high earnings in some states or that people pay AMT or that people pay more to register their cars because they cost more etc... Its only a $5 a month discount. I think it's a win/win situation. Amazon potentially makes more sales and people may get a small break and access to goods at a reasonable price. I dont begrudge a break break to those who need it most. Here's the thing, I'm not going to get into a pissing match about this. I think Amazon should lower the price for everyone. My kids didn't qualify for grants or aid because my husband and I didn't have much debt. Please don't get me started on that issue. I am done now and wish I had kept my comments to myself. Thanks. SavePlease don't regret posting your opinion. It's okay if someone disagrees with you. Now if I called you a butthead or something, then your regret would be justified. ETA butthead is kind of a joke in my family, because my niece called her mom a butthead once when she was only two. That's the only reason I came up with that word. 
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Post by suzastampin on Jun 7, 2017 20:12:09 GMT
A $27 break...GEESH...that's only $2.25 a month. Really? People are going to cancel or begrudge the poor the opportunity for a perk? Thanks, but I don't mind paying full price rather than being poor to save that $2.25 a month. Shaking my head...
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Post by bethany102399 on Jun 7, 2017 20:12:25 GMT
deshacrafts sending you a PM. I can totally see the benefit to those who receive benefits and have little to no access to a grocery store, or no transportation (and our public transport here sucks). But make no mistake, Amazon is out to make money and is looking for ways to tap into a market that is often underserved.
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Post by Linda on Jun 7, 2017 20:13:28 GMT
I don't have Prime - mostly because I don't shop enough at Amazon or anywhere else to justify it. I do shop Walmart.com site to store (no shipping fee) now and then
I don't have a problem with it in general - it's a marketing technique for Amazon and it's obviously aimed at siphoning away Walmart customers. I think that most people who qualify aren't going to be spending a lot - they don't have much to spend in the first place (I was on Food Stamps for about 5 years 20-ish years ago). I think it'll be beneficial for people who live in areas with poor transportation and few shopping options - heck if I was living where I am now when I was single, I would be all about shopping online...it's cheaper to pay Prime monthly than even ONE Taxi ride to the shops (I don't drive). If it helps poor parents buy school supplies and diapers and toilet paper for less or seniors access home health and food easier? I'm all for it.
I'm also guessing that Amazon is hoping it'll work like the student discount and people will continue to buy Prime as their financial circumstances improve.
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Post by berty on Jun 7, 2017 20:23:47 GMT
As an aside, I think businesses should give loyalty discounts. So many of them give new customer or other discounts and offer nothing to people who continue to spend with them. I think a loyalty program that offers discounts to people who continue to subscribe to a service - whether it be prime, cable tv, etc- would really go a long way in rewarding those who may not qualify for any other type of discounts and garner a lot of positive publicity.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 7, 2017 20:23:49 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not sure. I can see why they did it (to get more money in their pockets and compete with walmart), but I don't really care for the idea. I worry that it will encourage people to buy stuff they really can't afford to buy. Look at how much the peas spend on random crap on Amazon.....we do it because it's easy and just a click away. Sure, most of us can afford to buy it and stay within some sort of limit but how much of what we buy is necessary? Probably very little, but it's easy so we do it. If we had to actually go to the store would we spend just as much? Doubtful, imo. Now, I don't feel the same about student discounts, senior discounts, military discounts, etc. Those things are not income based and are available to those who have put in their time for society (or in the case of students, it's giving them a leg up in advance). I actually dislike this attitude more than I do the ones who are boo hooing over a discount they aren't getting. poor people get to make shitty choices, just like everyone else does. They aren't any different than anyone else-they just have less money, and rarely get the breaks many of us get. A paternalistic approach to curtailing their ability to buy what they want is really upsetting You're right, they have every right to spend their money however they see fit. They're free to spend $99/year on Prime same as everyone else, or spend enough to get free shipping. No one is saying poor people aren't allowed to shop on Amazon.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 7, 2017 20:25:21 GMT
I am a loyal Amazon Prime customer, but, believe me, they're not doing this out of charity, but out of a desire to reach a market that otherwise they wouldn't reach. A $27 discount is not exactly the difference between having to work for a living or not, but it might be enough to persuade someone who otherwise wouldn't consider Prime to be justifiable to go ahead and give it a whirl.
I've been on both sides of the financial world -- living very comfortably and running out of food at the end of the pay period -- and I don't begrudge people on public assistance something like this.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 7, 2017 20:35:02 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not sure. I can see why they did it (to get more money in their pockets and compete with walmart), but I don't really care for the idea. I worry that it will encourage people to buy stuff they really can't afford to buy. Look at how much the peas spend on random crap on Amazon.....we do it because it's easy and just a click away. Sure, most of us can afford to buy it and stay within some sort of limit but how much of what we buy is necessary? Probably very little, but it's easy so we do it. If we had to actually go to the store would we spend just as much? Doubtful, imo. Now, I don't feel the same about student discounts, senior discounts, military discounts, etc. Those things are not income based and are available to those who have put in their time for society (or in the case of students, it's giving them a leg up in advance). PLEASE tell me that you are not insinuating that poor people don't have the intelligence, self-control or whatever to control their finances and are not smart enough to budget what little money they do have. Please, because that is how I read it, and I am hoping I am dead wrong. In my opinion (my opinion only) poor people are a whole heck of a lot more careful about buying what they need, searching for better deals, etc. than the people I know of that have gobs of money and just blow it to blow it.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 7, 2017 20:47:08 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not sure. I can see why they did it (to get more money in their pockets and compete with walmart), but I don't really care for the idea. I worry that it will encourage people to buy stuff they really can't afford to buy. Look at how much the peas spend on random crap on Amazon.....we do it because it's easy and just a click away. Sure, most of us can afford to buy it and stay within some sort of limit but how much of what we buy is necessary? Probably very little, but it's easy so we do it. If we had to actually go to the store would we spend just as much? Doubtful, imo. Now, I don't feel the same about student discounts, senior discounts, military discounts, etc. Those things are not income based and are available to those who have put in their time for society (or in the case of students, it's giving them a leg up in advance). PLEASE tell me that you are not insinuating that poor people don't have the intelligence, self-control or whatever to control their finances and are not smart enough to budget what little money they do have. Please, because that is how I read it, and I am hoping I am dead wrong. In my opinion (my opinion only) poor people are a whole heck of a lot more careful about buying what they need, searching for better deals, etc. than the people I know of that have gobs of money and just blow it to blow it. the problem with both these posts is that both of you are painting poor people with a wide brush. There are different kinds of spenders and savers at every SES level. (Remember the could you live on $500,000 or whatever the income was thread?)
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Post by stingfan on Jun 7, 2017 20:47:19 GMT
This is the great thing about capitalism. A private company can make this sort of business decision. We can choose whether to continue to patronize that business based on their practices. If people don't like this idea, the market will tell Amazon so. They'll lose enough Prime members (and/or general sales dollars) that they might rethink this plan. If people are okay with it, Amazon will make more money and hopefully create more jobs.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 7, 2017 20:52:04 GMT
I don't have Prime - mostly because I don't shop enough at Amazon or anywhere else to justify it. I do shop Walmart.com site to store (no shipping fee) now and then I don't have a problem with it in general - it's a marketing technique for Amazon and it's obviously aimed at siphoning away Walmart customers. I think that most people who qualify aren't going to be spending a lot - they don't have much to spend in the first place (I was on Food Stamps for about 5 years 20-ish years ago). I think it'll be beneficial for people who live in areas with poor transportation and few shopping options - heck if I was living where I am now when I was single, I would be all about shopping online...it's cheaper to pay Prime monthly than even ONE Taxi ride to the shops (I don't drive). If it helps poor parents buy school supplies and diapers and toilet paper for less or seniors access home health and food easier? I'm all for it. I'm also guessing that Amazon is hoping it'll work like the student discount and people will continue to buy Prime as their financial circumstances improve. I don't know about diapers, but I have looked at amazon for school supplies and target is much cheaper 90% of the time. If you add in the price of prime l, I would guess it would be cheaper all the time. It seems more for the convenience than pricw, I know in rural areas, it can be hard to get some items and if the store 30 minutes from you doesn't have it, you are driving another 30-40 minutes to get to another store. I know I use prime more for convenience and sometimes the price differential is decent, but often ibpay more through Amazon on items that aren't books or movies. Again, adding in the coat of prime, I'm probably paying the same there too. That said, I get my value from prime during Christmas shopping and lightning deals
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 7, 2017 20:58:03 GMT
I think there will probably be a lot of backlash from people who do pay full price to use Prime, and do not qualify for government assistance. i am thankful we can pay full price and i'm not going to get bent out of shape for cutting someone a break good grief - i get a veteran's discount i also get a prime discount by prepaying for a year - amazon is also, with the FDA, going to work on allowing the use of food stamps for online shopping that ought to really piss people off but if you think about it - isn't it offering more choices to those in depressed areas - or those without access to transportation? gina
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 7, 2017 21:00:37 GMT
I will be irritated if my rates go up to subsidize this. i don't even mind if it goes up a few dollars to 'subsidize' i'm sure, that in my life, i've benefited - and someone else paid the price gina
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 7, 2017 21:03:13 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not sure. I can see why they did it (to get more money in their pockets and compete with walmart), but I don't really care for the idea. I worry that it will encourage people to buy stuff they really can't afford to buy. Look at how much the peas spend on random crap on Amazon.....we do it because it's easy and just a click away. Sure, most of us can afford to buy it and stay within some sort of limit but how much of what we buy is necessary? Probably very little, but it's easy so we do it. If we had to actually go to the store would we spend just as much? Doubtful, imo. Now, I don't feel the same about student discounts, senior discounts, military discounts, etc. Those things are not income based and are available to those who have put in their time for society (or in the case of students, it's giving them a leg up in advance). PLEASE tell me that you are not insinuating that poor people don't have the intelligence, self-control or whatever to control their finances and are not smart enough to budget what little money they do have. Please, because that is how I read it, and I am hoping I am dead wrong. In my opinion (my opinion only) poor people are a whole heck of a lot more careful about buying what they need, searching for better deals, etc. than the people I know of that have gobs of money and just blow it to blow it. No, of course not, but I'm not going to try to explain it because I'll just stick my foot further into my mouth and still not get my point across. But I don't think all (or even most) poor people are stupid, I think that it's easier to overspend by clicking a button than it is in person, that's all.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 7, 2017 21:06:33 GMT
amazon is also, with the FDA, going to work on allowing the use of food stamps for online shopping See, that I'm ok with. Use food stamps to buy food, I don't really care where. I'd much rather see people use them online than use them to buy over priced gas station crap food (yes, I know gas stations sell regular food, and I don't begrudge someone using food stamps to buy the occasional treat, yada yada yada).
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Post by elaine on Jun 7, 2017 21:07:06 GMT
I have no issue with it whatsoever. Actually, I think it is a move in the right direction.
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 7, 2017 21:09:47 GMT
You're assuming people have access to a Target or even to a WalMart. The closest Target to me is over an hour drive. The closest Walmart is a 20 minute drive. The neighboring county doesn't even have a grocery store let alone a Target or Walmart. When stores are that far away and transportation is not available because you're poor and you rely on someone else for transportation or struggle to keep a car running, the availability of something like Amazon prime becomes more than a convenience and can be the difference between accessing diapers, school supplies and cleaning supplies and not being able to access those things. I'm not at all opposed to giving people poor enough to be on benefits a bit of a break.
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Post by elaine on Jun 7, 2017 21:11:30 GMT
I will be irritated if my rates go up to subsidize this. i don't even mind if it goes up a few dollars to 'subsidized' i'm sure, that in my life, i've benefited - and someone else paid the price gina I cannot love this post enough.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 7, 2017 21:13:15 GMT
I thought that is what I heard this morning. I don't really like it. I work hard for my money, if they want to lower the cost, they should lower it for everyone. Just because I am able to work and make a decent living (we can pay our bills without much left over) I have to pay extra. I'm a little tired of that reasoning. exactly!! this is why i'm conflicted about it. what if subsidized person wants to buy the same 42" tv as me. why am i paying more for my Prime when we are buying the SAME thing. who is to say that i am not struggling in another aspect of my life that i am not getting a break on? not fair at all.
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 7, 2017 21:15:46 GMT
You're assuming people have access to a Target or even to a WalMart. The closest Target to me is over an hour drive. The closest Walmart is a 20 minute drive. The neighboring county doesn't even have a grocery store let alone a Target or Walmart. When stores are that far away and transportation is not available because you're poor and you rely on someone else for transportation or struggle to keep a car running, the availability of something like Amazon prime becomes more than a convenience and can be the difference between accessing diapers, school supplies and cleaning supplies and not being able to access those things. I'm not at all opposed to giving people poor enough to be on benefits a bit of a break. and this can be urban or rural if you are in a depressed area - no matter where - life is frickin hard i see people walking - for miles - to go to a grocery store if you live in a one car family and your car breaks down out here - it's a complete family disaster i see this as giving them access to the things i take for granted and who can really be pissed at that? and if you are - concentrate on the kids in those situation - it's helping them - who have no choice gina
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Post by Linda on Jun 7, 2017 21:15:56 GMT
I don't have Prime - mostly because I don't shop enough at Amazon or anywhere else to justify it. I do shop Walmart.com site to store (no shipping fee) now and then I don't have a problem with it in general - it's a marketing technique for Amazon and it's obviously aimed at siphoning away Walmart customers. I think that most people who qualify aren't going to be spending a lot - they don't have much to spend in the first place (I was on Food Stamps for about 5 years 20-ish years ago). I think it'll be beneficial for people who live in areas with poor transportation and few shopping options - heck if I was living where I am now when I was single, I would be all about shopping online...it's cheaper to pay Prime monthly than even ONE Taxi ride to the shops (I don't drive). If it helps poor parents buy school supplies and diapers and toilet paper for less or seniors access home health and food easier? I'm all for it. I'm also guessing that Amazon is hoping it'll work like the student discount and people will continue to buy Prime as their financial circumstances improve. I don't know about diapers, but I have looked at amazon for school supplies and target is much cheaper 90% of the time. If you add in the price of prime l, I would guess it would be cheaper all the time. It seems more for the convenience than pricw, I know in rural areas, it can be hard to get some items and if the store 30 minutes from you doesn't have it, you are driving another 30-40 minutes to get to another store. I know I use prime more for convenience and sometimes the price differential is decent, but often ibpay more through Amazon on items that aren't books or movies. Again, adding in the coat of prime, I'm probably paying the same there too. That said, I get my value from prime during Christmas shopping and lightning deals I know that it's nearly an hour to our nearest Target -and there's no bus so if you don't have a car/can't afford the gas, Target being cheaper doesn't help. That said, Walmart is closer and cheaper as well but without a car, the only place within walking distance for ME is a Dollar General and that's still a 45min walk EACH way. DH drives so I have access to shops but I can imagine that if I were relying on Dollar General for my shopping needs (and only what I could carry home) - I would sure be grateful for Amazon Prime.
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